Liberal fortunes will rebound, Ignatieff says while in Prince Edward Island
BY WAYNE THIBODEAU The Guardian
Libearal Leader Michael ignatieff and his wife Zsuzsanna Zsohar look at some Christmas flowers at the Charlottetown farmers' market Saturday Niovember 28, 2009. Ignatieff is in the city to speak at a major fundraising dinner for the provincial Liberals Saturday night. (Guardian photo by Brian McInnis)
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says support for his party and his leadership will rebound.
Ignatieff is in Prince Edward Island to attend the P.E.I. Liberal party fall dinner in Charlottetown tonight.
He hung out earlier in the day at the Charlottetown Farmer’s Market and at a meet and greet with Young Liberals.
During an interview, Ignatieff addressed the difficult period facing his party.
An EKOS poll this week put the Liberal party 10 percentage points behind the governing Conservatives.
A Harris-Decima survey also released this week showed that more and more Canadians favour Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s leadership to Ignatieff.
“I’ve been up, I’ve been back, and I’ll be up again,” Ignatieff said during an interview at the Charlottetown Farmer’s Market.
“I’m very optimistic about where we’re going to be but it doesn’t happen overnight. I haven’t been anywhere in this Farmer’s Market this morning without people saying we’ve got to get rid of Stephen Harper – every single person.”
The Liberals hold three of the Island’s four federal seats.
Cardigan MP Lawrence MacAulay said if the party wants success it has to remember its roots.
MacAulay is no stranger to political success. He has won seven elections and has represented the eastern P.E.I. riding of Cardigan for more than 20 years.
“What I ask the leader and the Liberal party to do is to make sure that we put the policies in place that we have put in place over the last many years,” said MacAulay.
“It’s so important that we keep our true Liberal values, which most people in this country want.”
... More on this story later. Full details, including what Micheal Ignatieff had to say about Gail Shea, only in The Guardian on Monday.
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John MacInnis from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Mr. MacAulay must need some help reading the polls - the numbers clearly indicate that a significant majority of Canadian voters don't want those true Liberal values. If anyone is looking for real value tonight, check out the Santa Claus parade.
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amazed from chtown, pei writes: Too bad most working people can't afford to go this dinner .( more than most peoples weekly grocery bill)Then they would be able to see some of the deals that will be made with the Lawyers , Accountants & party workers of the Liberal Party .By the way has anyone really found what LIBERAL really means.Make as much money from the working poor as possible ?
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me from ontario writes: And if you believe that, i have some beach land to sell u in Arizona
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holy moly from pei writes: is that the guy who wants to be Prime Minister!!!!!!!
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hollinm from Saskatchewan writes: Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking on the part of the carpetbagger who pretends to lead the Liberal party.
Notice he only has the nerve to speak to Liberals. He is afraid of us ordinary seriously Canadian people. He might hear what we really think about him and his party.
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covehead from Stanhope, PEI writes: Harper failed to anticipate the recession; he had no plan to address it; he was slow to implement a stimulus package; he cut GST at the worst possible time; he wasted the $3 billion contingency reserve; he was reluctant to make much needed changes to EI and ultimately did so only because he needed NDP support to keep him in power. If we are starting to recover economically, we are doing so not because of Harper but in spite of him. He has cut all kinds programs, projects and funding. He attempted to scrap the Wheat Board. He scrapped a totally viable gun registry - one that was already up and running! He's pulled all kinds of rotten stunts, e.g. proroguing Parliament to avoid a non-confidence vote, authorizing Ontario Conservative MPs at taxpayers expense to send flyers dumping on Island Liberal MPs to the people here. He scrapped the Kyoto Accord and the Kelowna Accord, and he broke the Atlantic Accord, depriving PEI of much needed equalization payments. He broke his promise not to appoint anyone to the Senate. He broke his promise not to abolish income trusts. The list goes on and on. His pick for the PEI Senate seat has been a total embarrassment to the Province. I for one will be voting against Harper in the next election and I strongly urge others to do the same.
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The Lobster from Charlottetown, P.E.I. writes: I see plenty of Tory hacks have busted a gut to get to the computer to post those tired old cliches about the Liberals and how terrible they are. It would appear the Tories have a paid gaggle of nattering hens who do nothing but troll the web to find places to post their inane musings on the Liberals.
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The Word from Charlottetown, P.E.I. writes: C'mon Lobster, it is not a gaggle. It is probably at most six posters who work for the Tories and don't have a life and so they have lots of time to surf the web.
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Mr. Mac from Charlottetown, P.E.I. writes: Find me a practicing Tory who does have a life. By virtue of just supporting the Tory party means you are a big fat zero to start with.
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I know from Charlottetown, P.E.I. writes: Being a Tory is synonymous with boring. You certainly can't call a Tory the life of the party. Unless you are Stephen Harper posing for an opportunistic photo op with the piano. Talk about shallow.
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too funny from pei writes: At least there are six tory posters, Lobster, Word, Mr.Mac and the famous I know all came from the same keyboard. Did you enjoy talking to your self!
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J A from PEI writes: Tell me, does this guy look like the next Prime Minister of Canada?? Ha I sure don't share his Optimism!
Standing with his index finger pointing at flowers!!! And apparently his wife doesn't agree with his choice! HA Does it get any better than this? I sure hope so!
Note not anyone in the market even turns their head to look his way!!! HA
Go to the dinner!!! If I won the Lottery I wouldn't attend that dinner!!
But, I didn't know the Farmer's Market had Christmas Flowers so at least this story had some value!
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facts from pei writes: If Ron MacKinley, Bush Dumville, Gerard Greenan, Richard Brown, Valerie Docherty, Pat Murphy(who Haha) define what it is to be a Liberal then I am proud to be a Tory!!!
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amazed from chtown, pei writes: To THE WORD & THE LOBSTER.I see it must be you both who don't have a life ,or are card caring LIBERALS & on are you phones or redberries while sitting in you're ( what is it 500 a plate )
LIBERAL fundraiser.You are starting to sound like recorded messages
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PM from NS writes: Lets see... Ignatieff's read on the current political situation is that every single person wants to get rid of Harper?
No wonder he'll never be Prime Minister. The guy has all the awareness of a sponge.
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PM from NS writes: Re : [I know from Charlottetown] Tory is synonymous with boring...life of the party...Stephen Harper...Talk about shallow
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islander observer from charlopttetown, PEI writes: ou.ou.ou.the Liberals are very defensive....testy are we...IGGY is as popular as HNC1.....the Tories have 39 % or whatever at the polls ,the Liberal world is crashing down amongst them,a dying party, one that is in disaray,pulling at straws....grasping for breath...terrible comments on facebook.....IGGY is fiddling while Ottawa is burning.....Covehead your Liberal roots are showing ,vote for the Green party who cares,The Lobster ...all parties have hens who watch the internet..look at Covehead Tories are big fat Zeros and boring.....you mean to tell me there are no fat Liberals???who is more boring than PERCY DOWNE..never says aword..walks his dog in Brighton everyday..when was the last time Shawn Murphy said anything in the press that was controversial...never........this Govt is rather refreshing....after all the years of Liberal patronage and back slapping...times have changed folks stop and smell the roses..this crew will do it' s thing and move on...that's govt.....you can't depend on patronage and politial politics to mainatin an economy....the normal joe blow on PEI never benefits from any of these these benefits just the lawyers accountants,ex-cops and political hacks who sucked alot of bums on the way up....times have changed get with it.......
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free difference from pei writes: the liberals havent resorted to bragging how smart they are in church like a tory mla did last sunday keeping the liberals honest in the house makes a person wonder if we are in gods house or at a tory ralley lol
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CJ from pei writes: To all you dimwits who stoop to name calling because someone believes in something different than yourself let me fill you in on something. I may be a Conservative but I have never ever belittled or name called someone who was a Liberal. I respect everyone's right to choose their own beliefs. There are a lot of decent people in this province and there are a lot of not so decent people in this province and I have found that Liberals, Conservatives, NDP and Green Party have people who fall into both categories.
If you want to make a comment that is fine, just show some class and leave the ignorant name calling to yourself.
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Dr Who from PEI writes: To CJ from PEI.
You talk the talk but your party doesn't walk the walk. If you are serious about what you post then have the courage to take your own on. Just spend a couple of days reading the posts and you will be disgusted at what your party is saying.
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covehead from Stanhope, PEI writes: Harper is as cold as an arctic char - a dead, frozen arctic char! At least Ignatieff mingles with the people. If Harper went to the Farmer's Market, he'd be surrounded by about thirty bodyguards. He'd be smiling that dead fish frozen smile. If he stopped to do anything, it would be to look in the mirror to see if his hair was out of place.
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bannie ============== from chtown, pei writes: Cove Head Stanhope,you are right about
mr harper ,he is artic cold ice cold stone
cold haha.Now to get rid of this premier
and Harper,maybe get some where.
1blue 1 red go from there,Iggy is praising his party,the premier is doing the opposite ,what a crap shoot.
Infastructure in this province while good ,we need better health coverage on cancer drugs for those people with illness and other illnesses ,and not 2 tier
either.This premiers party wants to put
health care at arms length so they will not have to take as much heat from others.and will be harder to get at them
the cowards.
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Norman Ouston from San Blas, Nayarit, Mexico writes: Judging by the crowd at the farmers market in the photo, you people in PEI don't much notice the great Iggy as a standout. Just as the rest of Canada views him.
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wake up folks from Halifax, NS writes: As a former Islander living in Halifax let me send a Christmas gift to you. The Liberal Party is dying before your eyes. Yes they have great success in the largest cities like Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver and along the Atlantic Coast but the vast reaches of Canada is Conservative and NDP. MacAuley laments for vague -so called - Liberal values but they easily remember the Liberal values of being entitled to their entitlements when in power. Just look at Liberal values today on PEI. The PEI Liberal government is great at looking after their entitlements thus we have: PNP millions to fund Liberal values. Ordinary canadians who have a more center left political position no longer look to the Liberal Party as the party to carry these values forward. Living here in Halifax has been a great eye opener to me. These are options and the future of the Liberal party is behind it. The way forward for me and millions and millions of ordinary canadians of good will, and concerned about the common good, is with the New Democrats.
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Gullible from Charlottetown, PEI writes: But, But IgNOTieff said EVERY single person at the Market said we have to get rid of Stephen Harper - every single person. Why would he lie, it must be true !! Oh wait, keep in mind he only talks to the Liberal members around him that have as much money as he does, the common folk aren't allowed that close to him...
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pat pf pei from charlottetown, pei writes: one person is right, there is no need for all the nasties, poor logic. maybe the conservatives are paying them to say such things. that would be a trick of harpers. micheal ignatieff gave a wonderful speech, so logic, intelligent and at times, very humours. the liberals will come back under this mans leadership and harper will do something, yet, to kill his chances. he founders all the time and canadians have yet to see his faults. it will come.
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Green Sky in Covehead from PEI writes: Hey Covehead, I was at the Halifax Airport when he came in yesterday. I also watched him walk by a HUGE NO EXIT sign, ignore the worker that told him he can't go out thru departures security just to be turned around to use the normal exit route like everyone else. This is the guy I want with the finger on the button... By the way, I notice how many people are around him in the picture from the Farmer's Market, guess you must be living in that same dream world as him...
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former Liberal and glad of it from charlottetown, PEI writes: Covehead ..HARPER would be surrounded by bodyguards because he is a world leader..and we are fighting a war..besides have a talk with Jean Chretien next time he comes to town..a pie in the face is not very dignified for a world leader....Harper may be stiff..and probably is..but Canadians like what he is doing....YOU may be in denial over political outdated political foolishness and that is your right .....CJ is very right ..make comments but don't get personal or make fictional and unsupported comments.....Islanders I know who are both Tories and Liberals,NDP and Green supporters are great people....and enjoy the sport of politics except now the sport is changing..Generation X and Y are becoming the decision makers and you can feel the demise of old style politics...yes even here on our little island............
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Garth Staples from PE writes: LIBERAL VALUES:
1. Sign Kyoto Agreement and forget about it for 11 years; then blame PM Harper.
2. Send troops to Afghanistan but forget to send modern equipment to support their activities, protect themselves and our NGO's; then blame PM Harper when casualties occur.
3. Do nothing to upgrade Chalk River for 13 years; then blame PM Harper.
4. Cut transfers to provinces so badly that PEI cannot deliver adequate healthcare; then blame Harper.
5. Botch the SARS outbreak; then try as they might blame PM Harper and the healthcare workers as the largest immunization programme for H1N1 ever carried out in Canada grows successful everyday; enough vaccine for 35 million Canadians!
6.Send mailouts to Canadians at taxpayers expense saying we are not proud of our country! Forced to apologize.
7.Block and slowdown important crime bills in the Senate; political cunning.
8. Signed a coalition with a separatist party in an attempt to defeat a one month old elected government in the middle of a serious financial downturn; irresponsibility.
9.Design a Carbon tax which would have killed any hope of financial recovery; now Iggy has changed his mind and supports a cap and trade programme! Who is on first?
Now you know some of the reasons I no longer will work for the re-election of Easter and Murphy. Its called LIBERAL VALUES.
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Wolfman Jack from PEI writes: Harper would need bodyguards because of all the lefties in sandals and rubber boots there. Their liberal guilt would not work on Harper, he would point out how stupid to pay double for a local product just because of the image and his common sense would upset the hippies.
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John MacInnis from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Placing principles before personalities elevates political discussion to a level of policy and agenda - perusing the numbers. And as always, the numbers don't lie. There is no rhetorical flourish that will hide the numbers, and I would be very interested in listening to Mr. MacAulay expand on the policies and values that he mentioned in his brief commentary. I'm not a Red Tory or a Progressive Conservative, my interest in politics went exponential when I became familiar with the conservative policies of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Mr. Reagan hit the nail on the head when he said that government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases. If it moves - tax it. If it keeps moving - regulate it. And if it stops moving - subsidize it. There was a very good reason why Pierre Trudeau resigned after he took that walk in the snow back on February 29, 1984. Mr. Trudeau was intelligent, he saw the train hurtling down the tracks toward him, and jumped out of the way 6 months before Mr. Mulroney won 211 seats in the September, 1984 general election - still a Canadian record for the highest number of seats won in a national election.
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Dayton from Sask. writes: Yes, true Liberal values: Arrogance,Entitlements, Boondoggle's,Gun Registry and ADSCAM!!!
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WTF ????? from Pe writes: Can nobody think for themselves? All I see is an insane amount of tribalism. It seems that facts don't matter. (ie 39% is slightly more than a third, and is NOT an overwhelming majority. It is still quite a bit less than half.)
Just because you find one parties ideology a little closer to your own does not mean those who think slightly differently are somehow now bad people who shouldn't be allowed to have Amy role in the political process. Or that polls which fluctuate only have validity if they match your own opinion.
The political parties have people divided and fighting among themselves and not only providing them with free publicity but not looking at anything deeper than a tv or newspaper article because admitting that their party may be wrong (or the other party might have a good idea) is a betrayal of their tribe.
No leader of any party is going to go out in public and announce that they think the party is not doing well, or that they will not beat the opposing party. This is not a sign of arrogance, but what a party leader is supposed to do. Those who deny this help to explain why they will never be voted into anything significant, and do not seem to have any understanding of centuries of parliamentary history depending only on events most recent in memory.
This is exactly what the political parties want, since as long as we behave this way each of the parties can get their party faithful to start pounding the party drum by merely pointing to some tidbit of information or a statement by the other party that they don't believe they are defeated yet.
Remember, the main point of democracy is if there are three people and two of them are idiots but agree then they are right.
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Daniel Holland from Mississauga, Ontario writes: PEI must be the last fortress of the LPC, because even in red Ontario it's dying on the vine. The LPC has nothing to offer Canadians except the same old tired brand of divide and conquer, ie east v west. It's no stranger that Canada's economic record is the best in the G8. We're posed for enormous gains in the next 10 years. Canada will emerge as an economic and energy world leader. The country is more united today than in the last 20 years. Unless PEI likes opposition MPs, you'd better get with the flow.
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Definintions from pei writes: A Conservative looks before he/she leaps. They take into account all possible ramfications before making a leap or a commitment that involves other people's money. They hold a little bit of themselves back from the public at large. That's called personal privacy A Conservative will compromise on issues when called for, provided the issue is not detrimental to others.
A Conservative never puts all the country's eggs in one basket and never spends a fortune of the country's money on something that can be bought for twenty bucks. A Conservative will study something long enough to know if it makes sense to continue funding it or not, if not, then scrap it before it gobbles up more of the taxpayers monies. And you may be sure that a Conservative will only accept a loss if he/she has explored every other possible avenue first.
This post is the short form for the definition of a Conservative . I would appreciate it if someone would explain Liberal .
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Definitions2 from PEI writes: For Definitions A Liberal is a person with a conscience. Definition is the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action.The complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.
In short,a Liberal is a Conservative times 2.
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The Crow from Charlottetown, P.E.I. writes: If people really want to know what a Conservative is and what Harper stands for I think Covehead from Stanhope sums it up. Everytime Harper speaks his nose gets longer.
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Russel Crow from PEI writes: While other crows are not as smart as me, some of those lefty crows are giving us a bad name.
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covehead from Stanhope, PEI writes: Oh yes there's lots to like about the Harper government. How about Natural Resources Minister Lisa Raitt calling the isotope crisis sexy? Or what about Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Bernier leaving secret documents at his girlfriend’s home? How about Harper calling an election in violation of his own fixed election date law? What about Harper refusing to attend the Bejiing Olympics even though we - Canada - are hosting the 2010 winter Olympics? The list goes on and on. And then there's the whole sordid Chuck Cadman business. All this plus what I listed previously by a minority government. Think what they could do with a majority!
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John MacInnis from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Definitions, the dogma of the Canadian Liberal Party is a tax-and-spend theme (or as some would label it - scheme) and a message is trotted out to the electorate that big government, progressively higher taxes, unbridled spending, unionized government employees, and things of that nature are all fantastic ideas for the country. Claims are made that unbridled spending will ease the effects of a recession - something that anyone with a sound knowledge of history knows is not true at all. And that, Definitions, is what the Liberal Party represents. And the Liberal Party in PEI has taken former President Reagan's description of how government sees business one step further. In PEI, if a business moves, they tax it. If it keeps moving, they will regulate it. It it stops moving, they'll grant it a subsidy, and if it still won't move ? They'll loan that business millions of dollars out of the treasury that's supposed to pay for important things like health care and education.
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Mervyn dePendleton from Windsor, Ontario writes: Mr Potato Head goes back to his roots. May the fertilizer be laid upon you in copious amounts and your breath carried away across the Northumberland Straight.
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Elizabeth Maybenot from Lindsay, on writes: After finding this through a link, I am shocked at all of the comments. Did the news of adscam not get out in that neck of the woods. I hate to tell you this because I know it will come as a shock but there is still many Millions missing and many of the same old faces are still in the party. Not only that but IFFY just re-hired the main man who was behind it. That does not look very good..to put it mildly!
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The Lobster from Charlottetown, P.E.I. writes: Man, John MacInnis, you must be getting a hefty bonus package from the Tories considering all the posts you have on this story.
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Buttons from PEI writes: Sorry to go to the dinner ,like rest of the Islanders,but sure was alot of PNP winners in attendance.
Most were asking when does the next wave come in but don`t tell anybody.
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John MacInnis from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Hi there Lester
I could certainly use a hefty bonus package from the Conservative Party, but I don't work that for any other political party.
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Uncompreshensible! J A from PEI writes: For the life of me I can't understand why any Canadian would consider voting for Iggy? These same Canadians are probably the same folks who accused Harper of patrionizing the US!!!
Well, here's a Light for the dark corners and recesses. IGGY was in the US longer than he's been in Canada!!! He's worked in the US longer than he's been in Canada! He admitted on Obama's Visit to Canada he had friends in the same circles as Obama and beamed with pride while saying so!!!
I wonder given that why Obama only gave Iggy a short 15 mins in the Waiting Room at the Airport!!
TO GARTH STAPLES:
I thank you! It sure is a gift on these blogs to read something factual and of substance for a change! And what a nice change it is! Please Carry On!
I will never Support Iggy for Prime Minister! Not because of his background but due to what I feel is a lack of leadership qualities and abilities coupled with a lack of understanding of our Country and Canadian's concerns, priorities and values.
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definitions from pei writes: To Definitions2 - A Liberal is someone who refuses to use six hundred thou for a cancer drug because they need that number of dollars to pay Irving's employees (not laid off employees either) while the plant temporarily shuts down to save the Irvings money. In the meantime the Irvings are over in New Brunswick donating half a million to the Arts. A Liberal is someone who thinks they have a right to peruse personal medical files looking for evidence to back up a lawsuit against their partners in the tobacco business. A Liberal is someone who thinks a smoker's health care should be paid for four times - once through Federal transfer funds, once through Provincial taxes, once through tobacco taxes and again through the tobacco industry. A Liberal is someone who thinks thirty thou is too much to give back to their taxpayers to help with the cost of looking after those with dementia or like illnesses but a hundred thou is an absolute necessity to hire a wine expert. We could go on with this back and forth thing forever and never agree with each other because I have a conservative viewpoint and you have that of a liberal. And, please, don't accuse the Feds of underfunding PEI's health care. They have actually been more than generous in transfer and other funding to the Island. We should be thankful the Feds haven't found a way to cut all funding to this little green island until we force our own politicians to clean up the mess they are wallowing in.
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Chester Field from pei writes: TYPICAL, TYPICAL, TYPICAL....people complain, and complain and complain....hide behind false names. These people , whether Liberal, Torie, NDP or Green Party, represent us, the employers.....it is now time to treat them as employees, if you were running your own business and had an employee that was not performing, what would you do? Terminate them I would say...that is what the taxpayer, us, must do, these people feel that once they are elected they are safe for 4 years, if they can stay there for another 4, (yes folks 8 years) and they get a pension.....I think it is time that this stops, it is time for , us the employers to say, you are not doing your job , you are GONE....it may mean a revolt of some kind....
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XComa from PEI writes: Liberal | Conservative.. What does it matter ? They are both run the Country into the ground when they get a chance. Both spend/waste money like there is an endless supply. Both make poor decisions.
The Government needs to be tore down and rebuilt. In fact, just about every aspect of our society needs to be rebuilt; Health , Education, Justice.. All Failing, BigTime. What is the Government doing? Making it worse.
People wonder why voter turn out is poor. The choices are Bad or Bad or Bad. By voting people feel they contributed to the demise of the Country. Conscience minds do not feel good about helping vote in a party to ruin the country.
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Doug from PE writes: @CJ who has never resorted to name calling. Refer back to the first line of your post to all you dimwits . Kind of negates the rest of your post.
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