New Brunswick not keeping P.E.I. from selling wind power: Graham WAYNE THIBODEAU The Guardian
SAINT JOHN — New Brunswick is not standing in the way of Prince Edward Island selling its green wind energy to the power-hungry New England states, says New Brunswick Premier Shawn Graham.
“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Graham said in response to a question by The Guardian.
During a conference that touted regional energy co-operation in Saint John, N.B., Tuesday, Graham said last year NB Power had surplus capacity on the transmission system. He said that access was put up for auction, an auction that all jurisdictions could bid on.
But nobody from Prince Edward Island put in a bid.
He said the province of Quebec purchased the excess capacity and now holds the rights to that transmission capacity, even though it is not using it.
“(Quebec) has entered into a long-term contract … which has helped us pay down the investment that the government of New Brunswick made in building that new transmission capacity.”
The P.E.I. government wants to increase its wind power production to 500 megawatts by 2013.
The Island doesn’t need that much power, so it wants to sell the surplus — about 400 MW. It would be exported through New Brunswick to New England.
Premier Robert Ghiz said Prince Edward Island is already transporting green energy to the New England states.
But as the amount of wind power grows, so too must the transmission lines to get it into the U.S.
Suez Energy’s West Prince wind farm is producing about 99 MW of electricity. About nine megawatts is being sold to the City of Summerside. The remaining 90 MW is currently being sold to the U.S.
Electricity produced from the two publicly-owned wind farms in North Cape and East Point are being used on the Island.
“Right now, if any of our private companies in Prince Edward Island that are producing green energy, they have the capability to negotiate with New Brunswick Power to send energy through their corridor,” said Ghiz.
“Yes, (the transmission capacity) has been purchased by Quebec but it’s not totally being used.”
Ghiz said his province wasn’t ready to purchase space on New Brunswick’s grid last year. He said one of the main reasons is because the province is still in talks with the federal government to expand the capacity of the undersea cable between P.E.I. and New Brunswick.
In 2005, the federal Liberal government promised $30 million for a new transmission cable between P.E.I. and N.B., but it was cancelled when the Conservatives took power in Ottawa in 2006.
“There’s no point owning a line if we can’t even get to the line,” said Ghiz.
Such a transmission line would not only be good for exporting wind power, it would help P.E.I. import more energy from more markets, said Maritime Electric’s John Gaudet.
“For Prince Edward Island, this is a much-needed piece of infrastructure,” Gaudet said in earlier interview.
“We see it as providing a secure future for additional energy supply procurement off-Island from either New Brunswick or Maine or Nova Scotia, for meeting the needs of P.E.I. electricity consumers.”
The province has requested federal stimulus funding for a new energy transmission line between New Brunswick and P.E.I.
As new capacity becomes available in New Brunswick, that province’s premier said other provinces including Prince Edward Island will have an opportunity to bid on it.
“New transmission capacity is key to the economic viability and success of this region,” said Graham.
“It’s not just transmission of electrons of electricity, in an energy corridor we’re looking at hydrogen, natural gas and other energy sources.”
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city resident from P.E. writes: I know this has been posted before. Why not use this excess power in ME power system so the island residents can pay a normal power rate ratherthan the gouging that we are getting charged ????
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YI YI YI from PEI writes: It just keeps getting worse. Ghiz would do better if he just said NOTHING! The more information he offers the worse it gets!
Question: Why did we erect all these wind turbines on PEI when Goverenment knew then they didn't have any way of generating the energy from them? And now ENTEGRITY is in Bankruptcy. Great Move!
Why is Ghiz still today talking transmission lines and energy corridors and sill trying to Blame Conservatives?
Andrea just told him yesterday that Energy Corridors were not a good choice and explained why but he knows different!
Why is he more interested in more transmission lines to export wind energy to the US than he is in using it HERE ON PEI?
And why is GAUDET from ME always a part of the conversation anytime there is one? Because whether we have WIND ENERGY or ELECTRIC ENERGY ME is going to be at the HELM that's why! ANd we're still going to pay big time!
Other provinces are USING THEIR WIND POWER for there own CITIZENS! NOT PEI !!! Corps are more important than people on our Gentle Island!
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And We're Looking AT Yi YI YI from PEI writes: In addition to last comment:
New transmission capacity is key to the economic viability and success of this region,” said Graham. “It’s not just transmission of electrons of electricity, in an energy corridor .......we’re looking at hydrogen, natural gas and other energy sources.”
Well, I don't know about other Islanders but I DON'T have time to wait for these Transmission Lines, Hydrogen, Natural Gas, and other energy sources? ....
I NEED a decrease in my electricity Costs NOW they are OFF the Wall and I can't afford ME's Ludicrous Charges!
SO I guess I have no choice but to go to whichever Guy can give me the cheapest Heating/electric Costs! Green Brown, Coal, or Wood !
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independant independant from charlottetown, pe writes: We have to make this an election issue and stop giving these MLAs a pass. The party that lowers my electric bill will get my vote. But first we need Islanders to wake up .
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Mr Solutions from PEI writes: I appreciate all the efforts, the government is making to build an Industry.
Please Mr Ghiz, please focus on passing policy, and tax structures that promote investment. There is no reason for the feds or province to invest in power transmission. Just focus on policy that would encourage, business to invest in project such as transmission or bridges or wind farms or packaging plants. The government of PEI does not have to be the Project developer, just the caretakers of good proactive policy. Please consider streamlining approvals process, tax incentives, negotiate provincial power wheeling agreements, work with the Feds for cross border power trade agreements, government support. The list is long... but why wait on the Feds for a subsea powerline, tender it to private industry, New Brunswick auctioned off transmission, I am sure P3 or private transmission would be 'auctionable', promote an alternative creative solution. Think outside the box, encourage, identify and remove stifling policy. Be promoters of policy for a Green Island, not the overwhelmed project team acting as developers, let private industry act as the developers.
All the best!
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To City Resident from PEI writes: Maybe because ME doesn't have the system to use the Wind Energy being produced now and ME doesn't want to pay for system. Hence, ME and Ghiz are looking for Stimulus Pkg from Harper!
STATEMENT:
In 2005, the federal Liberal government promised $30 million for a new transmission cable between P.E.I. and N.B., but it was cancelled when the Conservatives took power in Ottawa in 2006 -
But Transmission Cables between PEI and NB aren't going to be a process of short duration for sure! And we'll still be on ME's astronomical rates till Ghiz finds his way and/or - meantime, we all opt for solar or oil and he can sell all his wind energy to who ever he chooses!
The latter will be my choice I can't afford anymore ME's Billings!
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Mon-Tues-Wed So many Options! um from PEI writes: Sept 14th - SAINT JOHN – Topic - Energy Corridor - Premier Robert Ghiz plans to use a meeting of New England governors and Eastern Canadian premiers here Tuesday to push his plans to build an energy corridor
The Council of Canadians has written a letter to Canada’s East Coast premiers cautioning them against large energy corridors saying it undermines energy security in Eastern Canada.
Andrea Harden-Donahue, energy campaigner with the Council of Canadians, says Prince Edward Island’s premier should focus on ensuring the Island’s energy needs are met.
Sept. 15th - SAINT JOHN – Topic - Tidal Power - Prince Edward Island will take a look at adding tidal power to its mix of energy resources.
Sept 16th - Topic - Transmission Cable - Ghiz said his province wasn’t ready to purchase space on New Brunswick’s grid last year. He said one of the main reasons is because the province is still in talks with the federal government to expand the capacity of the undersea cable between P.E.I. and New Brunswick.
In 2005, the federal Liberal government promised $30 million for a new transmission cable between P.E.I. and N.B., but it was cancelled when the Conservatives took power in Ottawa in 2006. “There’s no point owning a line if we can’t even get to the line,” said Ghiz.
“For Prince Edward Island, this is a much-needed piece of infrastructure,” Gaudet said in earlier interview.
UMMM Green Energy Corridor, Tidal Power, Transmission Cable....umm....
Bottom Line - We're still Paying ME Highest Rates in Canada! Any Wonder?
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shurting from Charlottetown, PEI writes: This issue is so badly mismanaged it makes me wonder about electoral interest in the policies put forth by this government. I think we have too many B. Comms and B. Admin sitting around the caucus table and no one with any sense of social responsibility to the citizens of the province. Our government has obviously no concern for Islanders and is forging on with an Energy Program that will cost , rather than benefit Islanders. The only good thing is that Islanders see through this scheme and are shaking their collective heads in disbelief at how arrogant and misled this government really is. Between the mishandling and outright fraud perpertrated with the PNP and now the contempt for the electorate with which this matter is being addressed, Isalnders will soundly defeat the Ghiz goverment in the next election. Any body but the Ghiz crowd. Time for a new Island Party, one concerned with provincial affairs only and not affiliated with any of the major political parties that allow a foot up for local politicians to the Federal level and all its absurd perks!! We already have three provincial parties in Canada and there is a reason for it...the reason..lack of accountability to the electorate.
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I understand from pe writes: Harper answers to Ghiz, so HArper stopping payment on the money for the transmission line is actually Ghiz's idea, given to him by Maritime Electric,
and we have to hold our federal candidates accountable during the next elections.
So..... Maritime Electric runs the Federal Government?
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run udown from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Mr. Solutions, who, in your opinion, looked more stupid on the New Brunswick transmission screw up issue?
Richard Brown coming back from Newfoundland empty handed?
Or, Robert Ghiz coming back from New Brunswick empty handed?
C'mon, Mr. Solutions, let's stop the chirpy policy debate about what Mr. Ghiz as you call him should or should not be doing. They have already screwed up a massive part of the wind energy development issue and you bloody well know it!
Let's see somebody- Brown? Webster?- fired from Cabinet and then we can get back to the nice little policy debate you seem to desire so much.
Policy without a modern accountability framework is a distraction that glosses over major problems and makes the fine points of policy debate look ridiculous. Especially when a massive mistake has been made, and with the NB screw up this is undeniably a massive screw up. It is right there in balck and white in the Guardian article.
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Wayne MacKinnon from Marshfield, P.E.I. writes: Graham is not preventing P.E.I. from exporting wind energy from here; the Ghiz government is doing a great job at that themselves.
The details regarding the transmission of wind energy from P.E.I. should have been worked out with the first expression of interest they released.
Another example of the Ghiz government's mismanagement of a Golden Opportunity.
Anyone else wondering why this occurs on a regular basis?
Lowest education scores,worse cancer drug coverage, worse managed city (Maclean Magazine),high debt load, PNP scandal,wind energy fiasco; all happening in Canada's best tourist destination and best kept secret. The most talented and friendly musicians,artist,actors,and people based on a per capitia basis in all of Canada.
What is the reason we hear this over and over again? It must be the result of our elected politicians lack of management skills.
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John from PEI writes: There is a big misconception that wind energy is cheap or even free but it is not the cheapest energy source. Using all of the wind produced on the Island would cause a dramatic increase to power bills.
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Donna from Charlottetown, PEI writes: This story update - kudos to Wayne Thibodeau and The Guardian - is a perfect example of how government slants, distorts and omits crucial information. Now we learn that it wasn't quite so simple or uncomplicated as New Brunswick doesn't have transmission line access for PEI . We, the public who are represented by this government - and I am one who voted for them - deserve total honesty, and we're not getting it. Truth-from-government is an even bigger story than this power debacle. Has this government considered buying transmission access from Quebec, who aren't totally using it?
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Old Tory from P.E.I. writes: Any wind energy, produced on PEI, should be fed into our own power grid to reduce the amount of power that we have to import from NB which is why Fortis keeps looking for rate increases. If we can produce more wind power than PEI can use, that is great news and our power rates should come away down, heaven forbid we should become self sufficient in energy so that we can attract businesses to PEI without fear of being gouged on electricity, like we are now. Does anybody know how much taxpayers money has been spent on all these windmills on PEI. I keep reading that it's private money, whose private money ??? Do the privaters owe the taxpayers any money or did they use their own money, let's get the real story out there. Where have the investigative journalists gone, the Ghiz regime is getting a free pass.
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shurting from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Well John if we can produce 500mw and only consume 100 mw then ours could be free and the remaining 400mw could be sold off to help pay for ours and provide a source of revenue for the Island !!! Simple eh!!
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Milton Steed from Charlottetown, PEI writes: What is happening here?
Here is the quote from the Premier---
“Right now, if any of our private companies in Prince Edward Island that are producing green energy, they have the capability to negotiate with New Brunswick Power to send energy through their corridor,” said Ghiz.
OK I do not know if this is contrived corruption or bumbling incompetence. But it appears that the failure to bid for the NB transmission capacity is now uncontrollably leading to the complete control of our common wind resource by a handful of corporations. Ghiz has just handed it to them.
If the Provincial Government had acted wisely one year ago in regard to the NB auction there would be some public say left in regard to what happens here. That is now lost!
Disturbing! A lost opportunity as big as the end of shipbuilding 130 years ago. Except no Islanders saw any benefits in the first place. A bloody Third World colonial abuse situation! Sad!
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Getting Nowheres from pei writes: Any chance of setting up a lengthy TV debate where government has a chance to explain its positions on this ultra important issue? Not a cushy soft talk with pie-in-the sky jargon. We need someone to ask government the tough questions. Maybe their answers will make sense? And maybe not. I'll bet it would pull in great TV ratings.
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Confused? from PEI writes: I'm not sure I fully understand what's being said here? Maybe some one can help me out?
Ghiz states:
“Right now, if any of our private companies in Prince Edward Island that are producing green energy, they have the capability to negotiate with New Brunswick Power to send energy through their corridor,” said Ghiz.
“Yes, (the transmission capacity) has been purchased by Quebec but it’s not totally being used.”
So - does this mean that Private Companies can by-pass ME and negotiate with NB for better rates on electricity for their own Companies? But, Tax Payers don't have the option?
Ghiz States:
Ghiz said his province wasn’t ready to purchase space on New Brunswick’s grid last year. ...one of the main reasons is because the province is still in talks with the federal government to expand the capacity of the undersea cable between P.E.I. and New Brunswick. There’s no point owning a line if we can’t even get to the line,” said Ghiz.
Then Gaudet from ME states:
Such a transmission line would not only be good for exporting wind power, it would help P.E.I. import more energy from more markets, said Maritime Electric’s John Gaudet.
“For Prince Edward Island, this is a much-needed piece of infrastructure,” Gaudet said
“We see it as providing a secure future for additional energy supply procurement off-Island from either New Brunswick or Maine or Nova Scotia, for meeting the needs of P.E.I. electricity consumers.”
So - do the above statements mean that ME is also pushing Government for the Undersea Cable for their benefit? And if I understand the following information in the report -
(The province has requested federal stimulus funding for a new energy transmission line between New Brunswick and P.E.I.)
Most likely ME wouldn't have to pay for the Under Sea Cable or Transmission Line - So - they would be able to get cheaper energy and sell it to We the Tax Payers for the price they deem fit?
So - wouldn't this be a benefit for ME but not necessarily a benefit for Islanders Dollar wise?
I don't know. I'm not an entrepreneur or mathematician so my interpretation may be incorrect?
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Keep it . Government from pe writes: I agree with Milton. We can't let private companies generate electricity on PEI. Government operation or nothing.
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Mr Solutions from PEI writes: I understand many of your concerns.
However the barrage of finger pointing and name calling is empty with the lack of concrete understanding. Run udown, you have completely missed my points. It is about refocusing the government and their role not blame and fluff. This government was voted in by the people as well as the previous government, every government is in a position to be heckled, perhaps peoples energy would be more productive in discussing options or uniting as a province to get it done, instead of the ubiquitous tones of entitlement.
For those of you that have ideas power should be free or 500 sell 400 or discounted price, need to understand repayment of capital investment, return on investment for companies and shareholders. For those that would like they power discounted might consider an investment in Maritime Electric, and apply dividend payments to pay for your power consumption. If not Maritime Electric, try other utility companies. Perhaps investment in private power generation and disconnect from the grid. If you would like to gain from investment in the development of Energy projects, ... Invest. Ideas that drive companies away, lead to uncompetitive markets. Companies are not driven to be sharp unless there is a little competition. People might consider investigating the price of a wind turbine, try buying 50 or 100. With a power factor of 30, meaning it only generates power 30 percent of the time. How many job exist today on PEI because of this industry? One, two, twenty? What happens if PEI would strive to be leaders, leaders in Wind, but renewables as whole, it would take people willing to learn, open to change, what about leaders in value added farming and fishing produce, not just quantity, but consumer ready packaged products. This million acre farm in the shape of a Island is a paradise, economic opportunities abound. Do you realize what you have? How and what can you do to make it better? What are each of you doing (an action word) to be an active participant in the direction of your future?
Do something positive... Make a difference! Do something!
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Kaodake from PEI writes: Seems strange to try to export energy off-island when we are still buying it from another province. Particularly so when you consider that Maritime Electric has such a blooming hard time keeping the lights on.
You can be darn sure that any extra revenue generated will do NOTHING to reduce power rates on PEI. So what is the good of it?
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shurting from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Mr. Solutions is so condescending and self rightous that he makes me puke. Of course we understand the laws of supply and demand and the notion of capital costs...perhaps better than you. We also understand the goverment has a responsibility to the people of PEI, not the corporations and private companies or the citizens of the USA or NB for that matter ,but to the people of PEI. Everything this government does is in secrecy and without any regard for the electorate. If you have been watching closely you have observed that the corporate profits keep going up as do the corporate bonuses. Our deficit on the other hand keeps going up as well and is now near or in excess of $2 billion dollars. All the taxpayer gets from this is the bill and a lecture from a hyprocrite on how well we ware doing. We don't believe it!!!
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run udown from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Mr. Solutions, you are not fooling anybody.
This government missed the NB bid for transmission capacity like a drunken Grade 12 student failing to make it to class for an exam.
C'mon.
Do you honestly believe this is not a serious matter?
Do you honestly believe that is not worthy of some kind of serious action in regard to who is responsible?
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