Peakes woman loses her baby, dignity while awaiting hospital treatment

Wayne Thibodeau
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Christine Handrahan describes hours of tension in emergency room

Michael and Christine Handrahan say they’ve lost all faith in Prince Edward Island’s largest referral hospital, the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Charlottetown. Handrahan had a miscarriage in front of a packed waiting room while she waited more than thr

Losing her first baby was devastating enough but having to do it in a crowded waiting room is what angered Christine Handrahan the most.

The 29-year-old Peakes woman was nine weeks pregnant when on July 12 she started bleeding.

Fearing the worst, Handrahan and her husband, Michael, headed to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital’s new emergency room.

There she waited more than three hours, blood seeping out of her jeans, tears rolling down her face as she feared she was losing her baby — or that she might be bleeding to death.

Still, she waited and waited.

More than three hours passed before Michael had enough.

“Somebody should have cared enough to say ‘Oh my goodness, you’re going through a miscarriage, do you need some quiet time?’ I was fighting my tears. I wanted a place to go cry,” CHRISTINE HANDRAHAN

Only one patient had gone through the big glass doors to see a doctor so he knew the wait was going to be extensive.

Michael helped his wife out of a wheelchair into his truck and they made the 45-minute drive to Prince County Hospital in Summerside. There she was immediately rushed into the hospital’s emergency room where the mother-to-be was told that she had a miscarriage.

“What bothered me the most was the fact that I had to sit in public going through a miscarriage — in public,” Handrahan said.

 

Organizations: Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Prince County Hospital, Charlottetown hospital

Geographic location: Summerside

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  • Greg
    August 05, 2010 - 20:04

    I wonder how many of those wishing that the US would get a Canadian-style public option know that it is ILLEGAL here to purchase or sell medical services outside the government option. You can shop around to get a quicker operation for your pet, but not for your ailing mother, even if you're prepared to mortgage your house for her. Instead you have "universal access" to interminable wait times (the TARGET for ER is 4-8 hours, MRI over 4 months) and those who can afford it take their dollars (and often the taxpayer's dollars as well) to US providers. Check out http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/waittimes/ for an orwellian experience.

    • TheObserver
      August 06, 2010 - 01:38

      Is that true what you say? That there are no private doctors or hospitals in Canada who are allowed to see patients. I find that difficult to believe.

  • tinkerthinker
    August 05, 2010 - 00:25

    My daughter here in Texas started bleeding when she was 10 weeks along. There was no wait for her in the er and she was admitted immediately, given fluids by IV in case she went into shock, nursing care 24 hours, treated with dignity. Yes, she lost the baby but those who said there was nothing the hospital could do were wrong, that is the point of nursing care -- to actually have it. BTW- we did see the baby and he was fully formed (not deformed)....

  • Sclena
    August 04, 2010 - 21:15

    I don't know what's worse... living in US and no access to healthcare or living in Canada with over-run socialist healthcare. Either way I loose.

  • Lorissa
    August 04, 2010 - 19:29

    I can't believe people are actually arguing about politics while this couple is in mourning and facing a deeply traumatic experience. My heart goes out to them.

  • cloudshe
    August 04, 2010 - 18:53

    wallace, i don't know much about canada, other than Hockey looks like fun to play (watching it Sucks), you can't decide on what language to speak, and Socialism is 20 years ahead of us. yet you seem to be the Expert on what's wrong with the US. disregarding your ignorant mistruths, my mom moved from Canada in the 30's to become a US citizen and i'm damned glad she did

  • Pokwiz
    August 04, 2010 - 17:35

    Battlefield hospitals do a better job of triage than this.

  • Yosemite Sam
    August 04, 2010 - 11:59

    At least 25% of pregnancies end in the first trimester because the embryo is massively deformed or the placenta didn't form right. And a lot of women experience bleeding even in a normal pregnancy as the placenta forms. There is NOTHING doctors can do about it. The young couple deserve sympathy, for sure. It's heartbreaking. But for the cynical creeps trying to make policy by calling this know darn well "the baby" would be a lumpy tadpole the size of your little finger. You want a funeral maybe? A matchbox for a coffin? The 'baby?" Give me a break. Creeps.

    • salient
      August 04, 2010 - 14:45

      25%?? Really? Please cite your source. C'mon. Cite your source.

    • sensitive
      August 04, 2010 - 14:50

      boy Yosemite Sam your all heart, it is very hard on a woman who has been trying for quite some time to get pregnant, and then have a miscarriage, so whether she just got pregnant, and wasn't that far long, and yes, drs probaly couldn't have done anything for her, but to leave her to wait for hrs to be seen,is uncceptable, would you want somebody you love to go through that? I think not.

    • Carol
      August 04, 2010 - 16:11

      You are ill informed.. A baby is a baby is a baby. Have you ever seen a 10 week old fetus? It's completely formed, fingers, toes, everything. It's a baby, regardless of how young.

    • Americanconservative
      August 04, 2010 - 20:50

      A miscarriage is tragic, no matter how far along you were. Thanks, yosemitesam for reminding me that the baby would be so small-- it's still a baby that you were looking forward to. And yes, I did have one. The hospital is question was on generator service due to the electric company, and I was out of there in 5 hours, after treatment, and a vaginal ultrasound to make sure that everything was proceeding normally. By the way, Sarah Hendrix, this board skips and freezes from where I am, so that all that I wrote wasn't there, and the typos that were supposed to be corrected weren't. By the way, the post was grammatically correct; sorry you couldn't understand it. Here's the point: even in the early 90s, Canadian TV was criticizing long ER waits. Do you need it clearer than that?

  • Suzie
    August 04, 2010 - 11:32

    Stupid socialized medicine!

  • Milton Steed from Charlottetown North
    August 04, 2010 - 11:13

    Many of the comments on this story are disrespectful to the Handrahans and to Islanders, missing the point in senseless ideological ranting. In particular, the anti-medicare, extreme right wing remarks, both American and Canadian, are basically insulting, mis-informed and narrow minded to colossal degrees, as usual. Also attacking the QEH staff is not justified. Nurses work hard but like everybody else, make errors. I am outraged at what happened to the Handrahans but I believe in placing blame where it belongs. The real issue here is an obviously underfunded ER, Ghiz and Bertram coming up with about 40% of the cash for the QEH to staff the ER service at QEH. They wanted the political credit ( Bertram loves a photo op almost as much as Ghiz) for a new ER so they also warrant full and direct criticism for underfunding and understaffing it. Do not blame medicare for what should be viewed as shallow political opportuism followed by mismanagment and misplaced priorities. Medicare works well but it has to be funded properly and the political showmanship has to be kept to a minimum. Ideological rants from south of the border demonstrate levels of ignorance that should not be seen in public from citizens of a civilized, advanced country in the 21st century.

    • Owen Oliver
      November 26, 2014 - 12:37

      My heart goes out to the Handrahans for their loss and I grieve with them. I also think Milton Steed was absolutely accurate in his assessment. Having experienced years in both the USA and Canadian Medical Systems. Canada comes out far ahead.

  • Sam
    August 04, 2010 - 11:10

    You preach radical Socialist anti American hate. ( I bet Rev Wright is your hero )because everything that came out of your MIXED UP mind was a Lie ,spin on the truth and hardily reality . You sound Obama , Rev Wright ,Machiavelli , Lenin and Saul Alinsky brain washed rolled into one fire spiting pathetic Joke . I also bet you Love , Che , Castro , Hugo Chevez not to mention and Obama ankle holder as well . I also bet you have never had a real job in your life, pay little on nothing on Taxes and see Gov as your Womb to Tomb Life long Nanny . Just for the record I was President of a major Furniture factory in Toronto for 9 years . My American health care plan was 100 times better than that Socialist Canadian slow - slow -slow part of the collective herd that takes for ever to see a doctor and God forbid a Specialist in Canada . Our Chairman at 70 years old slipped and broke his Hip . He was told it would take 10-12 months to have it repaired or replaced . I called the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland Ohio and got his Hip Replaced 5 days later . Enough said . The reason everyone uses the Emergency wards in Canada is it takes 6-8 weeks on average to see Doctor then another 8-12 weeks to see a Specialist . In the good old USA that takes at best 7-12 days between both Doctors .

  • Brian Shmuel
    August 04, 2010 - 10:52

    Could that couple look any more Canadian?

  • Andrew Reenan
    August 04, 2010 - 10:39

    Name calling, insinuation, fear-mongering, finger-pointing, etc. .. All tools of the looney left because the facts are just too damned inconvenient. Well, how bout this little fact from your own papers (the National Post); Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams went to (gasp) America for surgery. Ok, so he's the the only one. Who goes to America. For medical treatment. Hmmmm. Do people fly from all over the world to go to Canada for medical treatment? Hmmm? Do they. Now read this from "Hot Air".... Last August, in the middle of a season of politician-roasting town halls over the government overhaul of the American health-care system, the Detroit Free Press reported that our neighbors to the north had begun contracting with American hospitals to handle overflow from their oft-praised single-payer system. The effort by Canada attempted to legitimize a natural flow of people with means across the border to seek the immediate care that Canada’s fully-public system could not provide. That story didn’t get too much traction in either the US or Canada, mainly due to the efforts of politicians in both countries insisting that central control of the health-care sector is necessary for reform. However, that may change now that a prominent politician in Canada has followed the same path as many of his fellow citizens in order to save his own life: Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States. CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 60, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week. The premier’s office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure. If an American governor had to go outside the US to seek the kind of immediate care he needed, that would be considered scandalous. In fact, if an American governor had to leave his or her own state to seek expert care, I’d expect it to be a fairly controversial move, unless it was treatment for a rather exotic malady that perhaps only a Mayo clinic could handle. Then go to this URL (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19664). We yanks may be imperfect and the target for every misinformed, ignorant, blinder-wearing whacko on the planet, but I'd live no where else in the world. So, wide belly, wallace, etc... Use actual facts instead of what you deem to be facts, and until you really understand what's going on here, (admittedly much of America is misled, but largely by a complicit left-wing media) shut your pie hole.

  • tom
    August 04, 2010 - 10:29

    I though healthcare system in British is really good as I know by CNN and BBC

  • thunderbyrd
    August 04, 2010 - 10:05

    I'm amazed at the hate spewed toward America in these comments.....hate, I believe engendered by jealousy. If America is so awful, why is half the world trying to get in here by hook or crook? And if socialized medicine is so great why is the UK trying to get rid of it? I am reminded of a scandal that came out of Britain a few years back, about a doctor who murdered somewhere around 300 patients. The paperback book sits in my shelf. After reading all the details, it was obvious that the deeply flawed mechanics of the health-care system there enabled him to commit his crimes. This would have never happened in the U.S. He'd have been found out after half a dozen, more likely. When you have more far more administrators than actual health care workers, and when health care workers have no accountability, of course, this is a recipe for disaster!!! I am currently unemployed, and have been, for awhile now. My job was out-sourced to India. In spite of my employment status, dire financial straits, and difficulty finding a new job, I am 100% AGAINST government run healthcare. It's not free for anybody --- there's a PRICE to be paid for it. And all too often, as this unfortunate woman discovered, the price is often a life. And the reason why Emergency Rooms are so crowded --- is because about 9/10 of the people there don't need to be there. Case in point -- when I was employed, I had darn good insurance. I visit a small medical practice in my neighborhood, where the wait is never over half an hour. However, when my grown daughter, who has no insurance, got an abscessed tooth with her face swelled up like a watermelon, I had to take her to Parkland (County Hospital) in Dallas. We had to wait about 6 hours there -- and yes, she was billed. The waiting room was flooded with literally hundreds.....I do mean hundreds of indigents. There were a multitude of squalling, misbehaving brats running amuck thru the area with a case of the sniffles. 95% of the people there were not bleeding or in obvious pain--their problems looked to be of a more "social" nature. (Even with good insurance, I never made a trip to the doc for a case of sniffles, nor did I take my kids in with sniffles --- we bought meds over the counter and dealt with it!) Yet a man came in who'd been in a motorcycle wreck, and he looked like a peeled tomato. He was wearing only a pair of boxer shorts. He was still waiting when we left. The staff was careless, lazy, bad attitudes, and very incompetent, and the facility was none to clean. I guess with a bunch of people who behave like animals running through there, it might be hard to keep clean. So you cannot tell me that government run anything is superior to private enterprise. In private enterprise, staff is accountable, and if they are careless or incompetent, they are FIRED. In government enterprise, they don't get fired no matter what, so they are dirty, slovenly, lazy, and careless. A dirty, slovenly, careless, lazy healthcare worker is the LAST person you want taking care of you if you have a medical issue. COUNTY Hospitals are as close to government run as we've had so far, and those places are a nightmare. Every hospital in the country will now be like going to county hospital unless this socialist healthcare is defeated.........GOD FORBID.

  • d.c.
    August 04, 2010 - 10:04

    I live in Canada, and let me tell you, the healthcare system has all but collapsed. Private clinics are popping up all over the country, because the socialized system has failed miserably. Quebec even ruled in court that the people were being treated inhumanely, and are allowed private practice, now. The stories I could tell are horrifying to anyone, let alone an American, used to better, faster and more compassionate care. The elderly are turned away from certain procedures if they will need a redo of the procedure (such as hip or knee surgery) before they die. They are told to suffer until they are closer to death. No lie. My neighbor is one victim. A friend went through the same wait even after her water broke in the emergency room. So many surgeries or procedures are delayed because they just don't have enough doctors. The equipment we take for granted is starkly limited in Canada. That is why Stats Canada monitors the number of people dying each year from waiting alone. The last number I saw quoted, a while ago, was 100,000/year. It's staggering.

  • Justin
    August 04, 2010 - 09:59

    To all Canadians who think we (American citizens) hate Canada, it's simply not true. Yes, I've seen comments that could definitely be worded better, but have to realize it's not the people we dislike strongly, it's the system. It's so easy to get caught up in the emotional stirrings & beliefs that "All people deserve healthcare" & "having healthcare is a basic human right" and "what about the children", on and on it goes. We all make decisions in our lives. Some make good decisions. Some make bad. THAT is a basic human right that God gives us. But for every BAD decision, there is a consequence. And rest assured that SOMEONE will be affected & have to pay for that consequence. If someone decides to live a permiscuous life of drugs & sex which leads to poor health, medication, continuous trips to ER, etc., why should his/her neighbor have to pay for their poor choices? Where is the "rights" of the neighbor that's having yet more money taken out of their pockets and away from their family to pay for someone's bad choices? Where is the "rights" of the neighbor that pays for those around him/her that sit home everyday, are too lazy to work, shoot drugs all day, spend hundreds of dollars on alcohol, have $100 cell phone bills & $125 cable/sattelite bills and have unrestrained sex that leads to 6 kids with no father? Our hedonism attitudes and lifestyles are out of control and we are paying a hefty price. The one problem with socialistic systems is there's no accountability or responsibility to those that know there's always going to be "handouts" or "free" healthcare. The other problem is eventually, you run out of money.

  • Faber McMullen
    August 04, 2010 - 09:31

    Canadian style health care for America. HERE'S YOUR SIGN! NOT

  • mm
    August 04, 2010 - 09:14

    Ever notice how they never want to debate anything?

  • Shaver Guy
    August 04, 2010 - 09:01

    "Did not!..Did too!...Did not!...Did too!" You Canucks crack me up.....I love how you sit up there in the shelter of security that WE in the US provide, and lob insults at America. You're Canada....I've spent a great deal of time up there. NO one takes you seriously, NO one listens to you, and NO one cares what you think...mainly becuase you don't DO anything except criticize America.....you have a beautiful country, a few good soldiers, and an entire population less than that of California... made up of mostely drunks, a few draft dogers from 1971, and a Socialist/Progressive Goverment that is unbelievably inept. Run along and play now and don't bother the grown-ups who are actually trying to accomplish something....."eh"

    • Another Canuk
      August 05, 2010 - 07:00

      dope!

  • CanaGuy
    August 04, 2010 - 07:37

    Americans and many Canadians don't realize that, to save money, the socialist Maritime healthcare system has consolidated most all services into Halifax, N.S. People from New Brunswick, PEI and Nova Scotia must travel to Halifax for any serious health problems. God help you if you don't live in Halifax. As a result of this screwed up system, every hospital outside of Halifax is seriously short-staffed, under-funded and incompetant because all expertise is in Halifax. My aunt died in PEI because the care she needed was too far away, they told us she wouldn't survive the trip, so we watched her die. Outrageous. The budget-saving socialist bureaucracy killed the Maritime health system.

  • em
    August 04, 2010 - 07:24

    The same thing happened to me. Sorry but when you go to an ER bleeding in early pregnancy, and are obviously not passing out dying, there is nothing they can do to help you, nothing. The body will do what it will do with the early pregnancy. I sat there while an elderly woman with chest pains received care and I bled away my dying baby. They can't do anything so you just have to wait, and need to have some perspective. It's generally not even something you need to or should be going to the ER for anyway unless you are having excruciating cramping, massive bleeding, or are fainting from from it.

  • Johnny
    August 04, 2010 - 06:10

    Hey Wide Belly, Why don't we Americans let you guys pay for your own national defense. Just sayin'.

    • abesimposn
      August 04, 2010 - 19:04

      Who do we have to worry about invading us more than the American who import more oil form Canada than Saudi Arabia and are now thirsting for our water. Think about it.

  • Robert G
    August 04, 2010 - 06:01

    This is what America has to look forward to with socialized medicine. Judging by the comments here the only defense people seem to have for socialized medicine is second grade name calling of those that don't like it. Not very encouraging is it.

  • Samuel
    August 04, 2010 - 05:34

    I wonder about all the vitriol regarding readers of this story just because it was on Drudge...under a story about a Swedish man who sewed up a gash in his leg whilst waiting in the ER. I also wonder how a website that makes no comment about the news is so hated. Perhaps it is still breaking the Lewinsky story some thirteen years ago. So, waiting times in ER's suck. But most places don't make patients who are pregnant and bleeding wait more than three hours to see a doctor. What I would like to know was whether she was even triaged.

  • mc
    August 04, 2010 - 03:34

    I think it might be specific hospitals. In AZ I did wait 2 hours for a 'room', then another hour (all while staring at a urine sample as a reminder they still hadn't done anything for me) while having a miscarriage at 18 weeks. After reading Christine's story, I am grateful I had a bed, at least. It is an emotionally devestating time and made worse when you realize the professionals you turn to don't care that you are going through something so awful.

    • Schmak
      August 04, 2010 - 10:48

      Hospital wait time in the US have greatly improved, but it depends on where you go. The public service hospitals, funded by the state, are always crowded due to police and other emergency services having to default people with no insurance there. I work in the HCIT field, and one of the product we provide actually gives an accurate estimate of waiting times for hospitals that use our product, and they post it on their webpages, so patients can browse local hospitals while heading to the ER and pick the one with the lowest wait time. Of course, these kind of innovations are allowed due to the open market health care system. ED's have to compete with each other and have a high throughput of PAYING customers to be profitable (most aren't) but by having competition, they can increase the size of the ED, the staff on hand, and purchase software and other tools to improve patient safety and decrease time in ED/Waiting. Without this competition what's the point of going out of your way to spend more money on these items if you aren't going to see any benefit in the long run? Because you care about the patients? Sure, but not to the point to where you can no longer afford your staff.

  • TheObserver
    August 04, 2010 - 02:17

    Inadequately financed as the Canadian and UK national health systems are, I don't think many of their citizens would want to stop the programs. In the USA there are 40+ million people not covered by medical insurance although there is a government scheme for uncovered children. The scenario above where there was a long wait is common for emergency room waits in the USA. This is often the last resort for those without insurance cover but even then the treatment will be minimal in order for the patient to be discharged (no insurance and the underlying cause may not be treated, only the symptoms). What many Americans don't realize is that most employers will not be providing health care insurance when you retire. Medicare does not cover everything and you will have to purchase separate supplemental insurance. This can be expensive depending on age and the health condition of the applicant. It is not unknown for premiums to be $1500 per month or more.

  • Why are liberals so angry
    August 04, 2010 - 02:05

    Based on the previous comments, there is a commonality by liberals who resort to name calling and plain nastiness when commenting on the commentators. ie: rednecks, dummies, and Drudge licking goats, when all we are saying is we are sorry for their pain and we don't want the same system here. No one is criticizing the Canadian people and if your argument had any validity you could stand on the strength of the position and not be a bully to people who have a different point of view.

  • Bobi
    August 04, 2010 - 02:04

    it would be helpful to have a little on the people who comment on the issues. ie, citizen of which country, experience with topic, reason for comment, helpful advice, i fully understand differing points of view, and they can be insightful, but plain ol' blasting someone is pointless and hurtful esp depending on the topic, such as this ~

  • Michael
    August 04, 2010 - 01:57

    I can't believe some people are defending this, or excusing it, or more often simply glossing over the obvious. You liberal tools speak derisively of "failed policies of the past" while failing to recognize that Marxism in all its progressive forms is the biggest, bloodiest, most failure-ridden policy of the last century and a half. SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK.

  • Rainwaves
    August 04, 2010 - 01:53

    I have miscarried 5 times and each time I was seen within a reasonable amount of time. However, recently I had an appendicitis. I sat in the waiting room for 6 hours in so much pain that I couldn't walk, all I wanted to do was crawl into a little ball. Those around me had runny noses need chicken soup and some rest not to be in the ER. When I finally got seen and they did a scan of my belly, I was about 15 minuets from my appendix from bursting. I had emergency surgery. I was asked by the Doctor why I hadn't come into ER earlier, I explained to him I had been there for 6 hours. He didn't have a response. I wish people would stop using ER's for runny noses and slivers and would only go for real emergencies.

  • William Hopper
    August 04, 2010 - 01:45

    For the Americans who see this as proof of how bad our system is, consider this: In the midst of a screw up, everyone agrees she was mistreated and the hospital is being scrutinized for it. In many US cities, this would never be news. People die in waiting rooms all the time down there. Worse yet, they are chucked out on the street if they don't have insurance and can only return once their situation is so bad it requires urgent care. In Canada, bad medicine is the exception, not the rule. Yes there are screw ups, and this was a bad one. But I will take a system that repents and fixes itself over one that doesn't care any day of the week.

  • ron
    August 04, 2010 - 00:17

    you know...we talk about all the left wing countries and what they do..but the reality is america enables that. How??? Buy defending a bunch of liberals who dont pay for their own defense, they depend on NATO, which is completely held up by he USA>.what happens when YOU have to start paying to defend yourself when you big mean cousin stops doing it for you?

  • Wide Belly
    August 03, 2010 - 23:53

    I got a great idea. Why don't you Americans sic Anne (or should that be anorexic) Coulter or better yet Sarah (I can see Russia from my house) Palin along with the boys of the Tea Party on us Canadians to show what real American intelligence is.

    • David
      August 04, 2010 - 00:44

      You DO know that Sarah Palin never said that she could see Russia from her house right? That was from a skit on SNL. Also, Americans don't really give a crap what happens in Canada. If there are issues in Canada, that's Canadian's problem.

    • Americanconservative
      August 04, 2010 - 00:58

      I really cringe when I see a liberal try to mask his hate speech as intelligent thought. Yes, we Americans have been in the news about the health care recently, but that's because it works. There are federal posters in all ERs telling people thatc they cannot be turned away for any reason(so there goes the "poor" argument. Plus, I seem to remember a canadien show, I think it was E.N.G. (?) somewhere around the early 90s. Awesome show and cast. One of their episodes dealt with an epidemic of day laborers who would chop off a finger to get into the ER-- there, if anything else was wrong, they'd get that fixed too.I've had some bad experiences in americain ERs, but I haven't had to chop off a finger to get it.

    • sarah hendrix
      August 04, 2010 - 02:09

      maybe you can learn to communicate grammatically so others can understand ??

    • Wide Belly
      August 04, 2010 - 02:35

      Wide Belly - can you look up where/when Palin said "I can see Russia from my house"? Such horrors are going on in Canadian and British "hospitals" all the time. If you stop watching SNL and start reading serous stuff, you will see.

    • astralweeks
      August 04, 2010 - 06:09

      Awww, wide belly has a case of jealousies.

    • Ron Pitts
      August 04, 2010 - 07:11

      The typical anti-american response. One day we are going to have to answer questions with out saying what we hate but what we can do. What is a Canadian.. I don't know but we hate Americans. Wow what pride!

    • russ
      August 04, 2010 - 07:52

      Hey Wide Belly, we did send Anne Coulter up there to talk to a group, and the tolerant, accepting intelligent leftists made such a threat of themselves she was not allowed to speak. Maybe she'd have done better in China than in your "intelligence". Hopefully YOU don't need to see a doctor in an emergency because then you'll find that access to a waiting list is not "health care".

    • russ
      August 04, 2010 - 07:55

      Wallace Cameron, if you want 20% of your population in some places to consist of people who march over the border to be completely supported by taxpayers, in violation of any sense or law, then I say INVITE THEM UP to where you are. Those of us who DON'T see a socialist around every corner are in serious denial of the trash we elected to ruin our country.

    • Ray
      August 04, 2010 - 09:22

      Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house, that was Tina Fey. You shouldn't be talking about things you don't know anything about.

    • Robert Andrew
      August 04, 2010 - 09:23

      Name calling, insinuation, fear-mongering, finger-pointing, etc. .. All tools of the looney left because the facts are just too damned inconvenient. Well, how bout this little fact from your own papers (the National Post); Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams went to (gasp) America for surgery. Ok, so he's the the only one. Who goes to America. For medical treatment. Hmmmm. Do people fly from all over the world to go to Canada for medical treatment? Hmmm? Do they. Now read this from "Hot Air".... Last August, in the middle of a season of politician-roasting town halls over the government overhaul of the American health-care system, the Detroit Free Press reported that our neighbors to the north had begun contracting with American hospitals to handle overflow from their oft-praised single-payer system. The effort by Canada attempted to legitimize a natural flow of people with means across the border to seek the immediate care that Canada’s fully-public system could not provide. That story didn’t get too much traction in either the US or Canada, mainly due to the efforts of politicians in both countries insisting that central control of the health-care sector is necessary for reform. However, that may change now that a prominent politician in Canada has followed the same path as many of his fellow citizens in order to save his own life: Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States. CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 60, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week. The premier’s office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure. If an American governor had to go outside the US to seek the kind of immediate care he needed, that would be considered scandalous. In fact, if an American governor had to leave his or her own state to seek expert care, I’d expect it to be a fairly controversial move, unless it was treatment for a rather exotic malady that perhaps only a Mayo clinic could handle. Then go to this URL (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19664). We yanks may be imperfect and the target for every misinformed, ignorant, blinder-wearing whacko on the planet, but I'd live no where else in the world. So, wide belly, wallace, etc... Use actual facts instead of what you deem to be facts, and until you really understand what's going on here, (admittedly much of America is misled, but largely by a complicit left-wing media) shut your pie hole.

    • Alex
      August 04, 2010 - 09:36

      I am ashamed to be a Canadian today. Since 1814, our next-door neighbors, the people of the United States of America, have been our best friends. We have the longest undefended border on earth...for good reason. I am ashamed of my fellow angry, hateful, envious, vicious, insulting Canadians. Americans come here and tell their friends how friendly we are. It's a lie! We are NOT friendly. We are polite... UNTIL someone offends us and then we go off on a rampage of vicious, defensive, insulting attacks. To my friends in the USA, let me say what we used to say as kids. "WITH FRIENDS LIKE THIS YOU DON'T NEED ENEMIES. Canada...GROW UP!

  • BB
    August 03, 2010 - 23:27

    My heart and prayers go out to the couple who lost their baby. I had a miscarriage in 1975, in a hospital. The ER took me in immediately and they had me admitted overnight. I was assessed quickly and treated with great compassion. Sad that my grandchidlren won't receive equal care under the new health care laws.

  • Wallace Cameron
    August 03, 2010 - 23:25

    I am not going to debate anything with a bunch of paranoid rednecks who see crime around every corner and socialists under every bed. You build a fence to keep out what you call illegals who you say are taking your jobs, but are jobs most of you don't want. You execute the mentally handicapped in Texas and while we are on that issue the only other countries that kill more of its citizens are Iran and China. That is really something to be proud of. But then you let George Bush steal the elections so killing citizens is no big deal. There is another Bush on the horizon so most of you will be messing your pants over that. Hey, let's not forget the war in Iraq that you clowns let happen on lies,. Bush and Cheney duped a nation of rubes into going to war and all you have to show for it is a bunch of dead American soldiers and untold Iraqis. That is also something to be proud of. Let's not bother talking about the recent economic crash that began on Wall Street. And you morons sit and gaze at your navel and wonder why the world hates Americans. Well, just look at what you have done and are still doing to the world and you have your answer. And you clowns have the nerve to attack the Canadian medical system as if it is the root of all evil. C'mon, show some intelligence and see who the real villains are and you will see it is not the Canadian medical system. By the way, we may have long medical waits in Canada, but in the U.S. if you have money you live, but if you are poor you die. Simple as that. But then you right wingers see nothing wrong with that because with the mentality you have being poor is a failure of will and you deserve to die.

    • Brock
      August 04, 2010 - 00:22

      So sad. I guess this is what we will get to see firsthand in the US on a couple of years. So sad. PS - I've never heard an account of anyone being treated this way in a US hospital. Insurance or not....

    • greystoke
      August 04, 2010 - 00:39

      Wow. When you put it that way, it almost sounds bad...

    • Alan
      August 04, 2010 - 01:23

      You are a canadian simpleton. Haven't you heard, even an illegal alien get premium care in our ER's.....way better than a Canadian ER.

    • Alan
      August 04, 2010 - 01:28

      Eh, hoser.....how many times has your car been broken into up there in Canada, eh?

    • Tarmangani
      August 04, 2010 - 02:55

      Nobody said that the Canadian Health Care is the root of all evil. It is just a symptom of social stupidity. As for the rest of your rant, it is obvious you know little to nothing of America.

    • Don Dixon
      August 04, 2010 - 03:40

      Gosh, Wallace, I'm sorry you have such a bad view of Americans. In America, everyone, rich or poor, gets emergency health care as a matter of law; hospitals MUST treat people who come to the emergency room. Unfortunately, many of the 14 milion Mexican refugees we harbor go there to treat the sniffles, so it causes some problems. Many hospitals have had to close, so emergency rooms have become a bit more crowded and our waits are longer. Still, we hear few stories like those that seem so common under your system. Of course, under Obamacare, all of that is likely to change. Wish us luck.

    • Wrath
      August 04, 2010 - 03:40

      Paranoid rednecks..Bush stealing elections..right wingers..YAWN..yadda yadda yadda..same old crap..listen bacon eater..slave of socialism..can you come up with something NEW? You are BORING everyone. The truth is, Canadians are TAXED to death, your Socialized medicine system IS HORRIBLE, and YOU KNOW it Baconman. So, buy your $40.00 case of CRAP Canadian beer, where here in the states it cost $20.00..and do NOT forget..the Canadian Financial System WILL COLLAPSE also, just a matter of tyme oh wise one. So, guess what, At least here in Amerika, we can still possess HANDGUNS, Rifles, shotguns..can Canadian SOCIALIST Slaves like yourself say that?? HEHE..Get lost EH!!! You brainwashed FOOL!

    • kay
      August 04, 2010 - 04:36

      Sorry Wallace...you don't have a clue what you are talking about....

    • shaeon d
      August 04, 2010 - 04:58

      A bit hostile aren't you Cameron? Very negative and caustic.

    • shaeon d
      August 04, 2010 - 04:58

      A bit hostile aren't you Cameron? Very negative and caustic.

    • greystoke
      August 04, 2010 - 05:03

      Wow. When you put it that way, it almost sounds bad...

    • Hank of California
      August 04, 2010 - 05:09

      Hey Wallace Cameron, Try this on for size, Republican and Democrats are both rotten, take off your rose colored glassed and wake up, the world is bigger than you realize. People like you said Hitler was a good guy, but then they were real quiet after the world saw who he was. You are just like bird with its head in the sand. A libtard is what they call you.

    • OhSoBored
      August 04, 2010 - 05:28

      Wallace Cameron, you are a liberal politicians dream boat, or perfect mark, which ever you prefer. You just cited every DNC and anti-American liberal talking point in the book , except for maybe: “and Americans like to kick puppies too.” Wow I am impressed. I don't want to rain on your emotionally charged, if not intellectually challenged rant against Americans and the American system, but everyone gets treated in the States, whether you can pay for it or not--with less waiting time (wink wink) and cleaner hospitals, which is one of the reasons why we have higher survival rates than your so called free system (free is the word you really like, it's great for selling things eh….). The issue is what it will cost you afterwards, which is huge concern. My mom though recently received laser eye surgery through Medicare, yet she has no money. There are many problems with the American system with most of those directly or indirectly related to government interference and distortion of the market. But you just can't say: "in the U.S. if you have money you live, but if you are poor you die." That is just hyperbole used by those trying to sell snake oil to the simpleminded. One of the biggest complaints in the States against illegal immigration is that illegal immigrants know they can get treated at hospitals then skip the bill. If not having money determined whether you lived or died, they wouldn’t be allowed in the door. Those are just the thoughts of one dumb American. But hey, you’re my Canadian better… I submit to your superior Canadian intellect. (To normal Canadians, I apologize for my contemptuous tone here; my target is the sanctimonious self-righteous left of your country. Other than those loons, I am a fan.)

    • felllowamerican
      August 04, 2010 - 05:58

      please Wallace Cameron the issue is not canadian medical system but the socialist type of medical care that our Commander and Thief is making us take on. You might like the kind of medical care you get but we don't want it. So Keep your rants to yourself, socialism ranks right up there with Satan and Washington

    • astralweeks
      August 04, 2010 - 06:13

      Oh joy, and just think, Obamacare is coming to a nation near you!!!

    • Joe Schmoe
      August 04, 2010 - 07:41

      It's odd that you say you aren't going to debate, and then you go on to do exactly that.

    • The man
      August 04, 2010 - 07:53

      Sorry dude but people are not dying for lack of medical care in the US. You had better do some homework and stop listening to the socialists.

    • cloudshe
      August 04, 2010 - 08:51

      wallace, i don't know much about canada, other than Hockey looks like fun to play (watching it Sucks), you can't decide on what language to speak, and Socialism is 20 years ahead of us. yet you seem to be the Expert on what's wrong with the US. disregarding your ignorant mistruths, my mom moved from Canada in the 30's to become a US citizen and i'm damned glad she did

    • John Baker
      August 04, 2010 - 10:18

      Unfortunately Mr. Cameron is quite misinformed. Unlike in Canada, in the United States all patients who show up to an emergency room by law must be seen, evaluated, and stabilized. Clearly Canda is not a superior system when several provinces are contracting with American hospitals to provide patient care, administrators of the system come to the United States for care and are completely unapologetic, and even the founder of the system says it is broken. It would be better to fix our system than try to make it more like the broken socialist programs of other countries.

    • ChrisM
      August 04, 2010 - 10:30

      You are a moron Wallace! You spew this left-wing crap about America without any concept of reality. Bush didn't steal the election. The economic crash was perpetrated by socialists like you. Soros, Buffett, Cloward-Piven, Carter... all communists responsible for the mess we are in today. Take a look at any economic data and you will see that the sh*t really hit the fan AFTER the Democrats took over congress in 2006! It is socialists like you with your head in the sand that are destroying this world!!

    • Lunar
      August 04, 2010 - 11:05

      Hey Wallace, where's Gromit? Oh well, anywho, you need to check some facts. Specifically, our poor people die due to lack of care? There is not a single hospital (in my state anyway) that turns someone away from care. They may dock your pay the rest of your life, but you get cared for. You do recognize long waits in Canada so that is commendable. Those same people who are fed up with long waits come to the US for better and faster care. That won't be the case here in the near future though. And how about our economy? Peeps are always fast to blame Bush, and they may even have some good reasons. He did do a piss poor job imho. But, what has the current Obozo in chief done to fix it? Unemployment is still at a record high, our debt is astronomical, and the financial market is still struggling. Vote out all the clowns in Congress and Osucko.

    • Branch
      August 04, 2010 - 12:09

      'By the way, we may have long medical waits in Canada, but in the U.S. if you have money you live, but if you are poor you die' An uninformed falsehood, No ONE can be refused medical attention at the ER in the USA, this is why OB wards in the border states have been going under, due to thousands of no-pay illegal pushing out anchor babies. This image that people have of poor people being turned away by the ER is a lie. medicare and medicaid were supposed to be the savior of the poor and the aged, and they are bankrupt. we used to have indigent wards to give the poor basic care, with obamacare we will all end up with indigent care and no recourse for better care.

  • Matt
    August 03, 2010 - 23:23

    I am an American living in Alberta and I can say to my fellow Americans that Alberta is the best province in Canada. Many people here in Canada know that if you want quick emergency service you must go to an emergency room outside of the city. And for all of you American-hating Canadians out there answer me this; Why do most of your great hockey players, such as W. Gretzky, go to play in the USA? Oh yeah I forgot to mention that Tim Hortons is owned by an American company, eh!

    • MrFlagg
      August 03, 2010 - 23:51

      Tim Hortons is no longer owned by an american company.

    • neelam
      September 09, 2010 - 02:24

      My heart goes out to the couple that lost their baby. I miscarried in Oct 2009 I know how it is to lose a baby. I had similar experience like you in Ontario back in 2004 I was bleeding heavily in the ER miscarrying at Peel Memorial Hospital and was told to wait and they were rude and told me to back off on the red line no care in the world that a woman is bleeding like you miscarrying woman are not serious case. I had to go to orangeville people talking about their holiday while I was bleeding and blood pressure was getting low just didnt give a care in the world and next day doctor came their was no doctor that night on duty to check me throughly thats what they say that is piece of crap even people who are having heart attacks still have to register even though they came in ambulance its same they dont care about humanity they could care less. Everyone should be dealt with serious in ER hiring doctors nurse instead of having wait time hire foreign hardworking doctors that are highly qualified then the doctors here that care about patients needs. I feel that they should have another department where a woman can be seen. I feel for her and no matter what we say no one is going to change our healthcare system. They dont care about the public well being which should matter.

  • Big John
    August 03, 2010 - 22:47

    At least it was "free" medical care, eh, Hosers?

  • Scot
    August 03, 2010 - 22:41

    Health Minister Carolyn Bertram maintains safety is not being compromised at the Charlottetown hospital TRUE as actual safety was never found on the property start with

  • responder
    August 03, 2010 - 22:28

    Count on the weasels at DRUDGE report to bait the dumbest people alive into knee-jerk 'socialized medicine' histrionics. you know them as "Conservative Americans". Yes that's right. they're the herd of goats who lick anything DRUDGE has to say, heaping easy derision on Canadian ER wait times while ignoring their own pathetic plight. you think America doesn't have ER wait times?? read this and weep, if you can read, that is; http://calcoastnews.com/2010/07/california-emergency-room-wait-now-four-hours-and-34-minutes/

    • Scott
      August 04, 2010 - 00:50

      Ha! You point out he most liberal state in the union as your example of conservatism? California is closing hospitals left and right because of their liberal policies. I live in Ohio, I have no wait time. Heck, if I can't see my "family doctor" within 3 hours I'm upset, let alone an ER doctor in 3 minutes! It's ironic you denounce a web site and then cite another web site to back your own claim. I can even get an ambulance to any one of 5 hospitals within 3 minutes of my house. Oh, I'm also 45 minutes from Canada and I do meet plenty of Canadians coming down here because they can't wait to relieve their pain. Now, break an arm in Canada, great, you'll get taken care of, but anything else, not so fast.

    • Alan
      August 04, 2010 - 01:26

      That 4 hour 34 min wait in Cali sounds about half as long as the Canadian wait! LoL

    • ALR
      August 04, 2010 - 02:08

      Funny you should pick a California hospital. Why do you suppose the wait is so long? Suppose it has anything to do with all the illegals cluttering up the ER? I say send them all to your neighborhood. I'll bet you'd go for that, eh? Of course, the illegals aren't trying to get into Canada are they? Why do you suppose everyone wants to come into the US?Talk about pathetic!!

    • JeremyLee
      August 04, 2010 - 09:27

      I wonder if the baby was going through 'hysterics' while it was dying in that waiting room? California is about the closest thing to a socialized state and it is bankrupt too. Triage is the term used to describe the way private emergency rooms handle care. Evidently, it Canada's Socialized medicine center's it's called: Good Luck!

    • Michael Molnar
      August 04, 2010 - 10:03

      To Responder (23:27:06) First, it's amazing to me that you blame Drudge when Drudge is a simple website that links to other pages of content. NEWSFLASH - The Drudge Report has NO NEW CONTENT! Second, wasn't this article written by a Canadian source, The Guardian? Third, you citing California as the American example is "pathetic". California is so far left that Karl Marx would be proud.

  • WriteLoudly
    August 03, 2010 - 22:08

    Welcome to ObamaCare.... ps: my condolences, Christine.

  • oinick
    August 03, 2010 - 22:05

    This is one more mouth the liberal Canadian Socialist welfare state won't have to feed. Well done! The entire United States system is headed this way, and we deserve it. Obama and his cronies are a pox upon us, and Canadians tried to warn us. The horror of this poor couple's plight is exactly what Obama wants: an entire generation wholly dependent on the federal government, as Canadians are. I don't know the political leanings of the poor Canadian couple in this article, but if they're conservative, hard-working, tax-paying, God-fearing sorts, they're exactly the kind that Obama can't tolerate. In his mind, they deserve no better, and Americans, fools that that they are, will get what they deserve.

  • BCKane
    August 03, 2010 - 21:38

    GCR- not to argue about who's medical care is better, but the specific issues you bring up (infant mortality, life expectancy, etc.) are just talking points that completely ignore facts or reasonable analysis. As multiple studies in Canada have reported, Canada's infant mortality rate is highly suspect (and seems to be climbing as records become more accurate) because of sever problems in Canada's reporting process (as shown by Canadian Perinatal Surveillance System & Public Health Agency of Canada studies). It has been a Canada's policy to exclude any province where at lease 30% of the infant death's linked to a certificate and not use that province in its overall calculations. On top of that, you also have to look at demographics of the population and the general medical trends for differing ethnic races. A very good example is individuals of African descent who tend to have dramatically higher rates of infant mortality, hypertension, heart disease, etc. (when compared to White, Asian or Hispanic). As i mentioned above, this has nothing to do with a better health system, but each one of your points were specifically developed to push an agenda and depend on myopic individuals to further push those points. I'm absolutely sure that some similar type of tragedy has occurred at a US medical facility, so it shouldn't be used to paint the Canadian Health system with a broad brush. Personally, having experienced health care systems in North America, South America, Europe and the Mediterranean i tend to lean toward the US version. That is 100% based solely on MY experience and i'm sure others will greatly disagree having lived through different experiences.

  • paula
    August 03, 2010 - 20:35

    so sorry for the loss to this couple ~ and sad to hear of the situation in a hospital ~ as a US citizen, I hope that we do not have to experience this when we convert to "free" health care... but we probably will...

    • maxine
      August 04, 2010 - 09:40

      As a Canadian Cit having lived in the US for 14 years I would rather have the medical coverage found in Canada. There good health is not a privilege but a right. I have spent more time waiting in the emergency rooms here, in Texas, then in British Columbia or Alberta. I do love how one very unfortunate incident makes headlines (which wouldn't rarely even be reported on down here unless it was a very slow news day) to be used to picture of an entire medical system.

  • TheRMSDave
    August 03, 2010 - 20:34

    Shame on the leadership of any organization, public or private that administrates healthcare with this level of disfunction. I'd be as frosted as they are and will work hard this Fall to oust every politician in the USA who rammed healthcare reform through this year. I have the time, Senator Specter is already out on his rear.

  • Danielle
    August 03, 2010 - 20:25

    This is a very sad story. My heart goes out to the couple as I had a miscarriage last year and it is not an easy thing to get over. And to be bleeding through her clothes - that is scary. Her life could've been in danger! But using PEI as an example of the Canadian healthcare system is a pretty weak example. Would you use PEI employment or real estate numbers as a representation of all of Canada? Neither of our countries has a perfect healthcare system, but we both have better systems than a lot of people in the world!

  • George Soros
    August 03, 2010 - 20:16

    Dear Canadians, We don't think Canada sucks just because of your healthcare, and we still don't want your God awful healthcare.

  • Terry
    August 03, 2010 - 19:59

    You know for a fact that the community organizer, Obama, is going to make an enemy of the state all those who print these stories. You think he just hates and despises successful people? No way! You who are in the press and are not following the state run media guidelines will be hearing from the ACORN administration, for sure.

  • Wallace MacDougall
    August 03, 2010 - 19:21

    Judging by the posts of the many Americans who found this story on the right wing Drudge Report it is no wonder most of the world hates your guts.

    • Terry
      August 03, 2010 - 19:56

      Wallace, yes, we did find this story on The Drudge Report. Just because it is there does not mean it is not true. I am wondering, anxiously, of how you are going to defend this atrocious health care act in your country. We, Americans, feel that government can never provide anything near as great as motivated individuals in a capitalistic environment. The fact that Europe, Great Britain, and Canada routinely provides these stories only solidifies this fact. How dare you say that socialized medicine is better when it is abundantly clear it is on par with communist Russia. Shame, shame shame. Socialism, Communism, Fascism: they are all the same.

    • Michelle
      August 03, 2010 - 20:20

      Good thing the feeling is mutual.

    • average american
      August 03, 2010 - 20:44

      I'm glad the world hates my guts simply because I'm an American. Too bad we have bailed out so many other countries throughout history. Too bad we, yes we, created the infrastructure needed to build the Internet... I know, I once worked on early ARPAnet projects, the grandfather of the Internet. You're an a$$hole, but that's OK because soon you will all be bitching about China and all the ragheads committing terrorist acts in your country because we won't be world leaders any longer. See how much help you get from the Chinese douche bag.

    • TheyComeInPeace
      August 03, 2010 - 21:05

      The world does not hate our guts. It hates the lack of guts of countries like yours ... pacifists for unilateral disarmament. Thank God for the gracious and selfless people of the USA for whom we owe so much.

    • American
      August 03, 2010 - 21:19

      Wallace - You have displayed great deductive reasoning. I mean, it is apparent by your post. Where, "people found the story" is of the utmost importance to you. And as far as "no wonder most of the world hates your guts." It is apparent that you have "no wonder," and the world doesn't hate Americans, the world wants to be Americans.

    • Amy P.
      August 03, 2010 - 21:36

      I don't care if the rest of the world hates America. Right now, I can walk into any ER and get decent treatment...for free, if I don't have health insurance. I've watched the rest of the socialist world (Europe, Canada) implode under the massive weight of their social welfare programs and have decided it's best not to burden my children, children, and great grandchildren with a lifetime of outrageous taxes and regulations so that some people can have "free" health care. America is the best, most free nation on the planet. Those who hate us are jealous of the freedoms we enjoy.

    • Gene Clark
      August 03, 2010 - 21:44

      Mr. MacDougall; I don't think most of the world hates our guts. I think most of the world is simple jealous over what we once were and what we once had. Most of the world owes their freedom to the USA.

    • Al
      August 03, 2010 - 21:53

      What the heck difference does it make where this story was reported. This is a sad case and likely you are embarrassed as any right think person would be. Calling the US names does not make things any better for those who experienced this any less sad.

    • William McWallace
      August 03, 2010 - 22:04

      Wallace, no one appreciates your hatred and ignorance.

    • Shawn Torres
      August 03, 2010 - 22:16

      Its really sad that all your comments were all about your distain for americans rather then the tragic event this poor women that just went through hell.. Shame on you and the rest of these heartless people here making selling points for their egos. really sad....

    • Chad
      August 03, 2010 - 22:41

      It's amazing how you use the word hate so easily! This coming from the alleged all loving tolerant liberal loons. The most intolerant of all need I say more...... BTW if your country ever gets invaded who are you going to beg help from????

    • Tom B.
      August 03, 2010 - 22:54

      Let me get this straight, the whole world hates us because we know better than willingly fall into the trap of socialized medicine? Wrong, the whole world hates us because they are envious of us. We are made up of the rejects of the rest of the world and have created the greatest country to even bless this planet with its existence. We defend the weak and help those in need. We are the defenders of liberty and freedom and we feed the poor. And since the US has been determined to be the strongest nation on the planet, ever since the European encouraged second world war, the rest of the world has not been allowed to start any more world wars. The world should be treated to a span of years where the US leaves it to its own devises. Let there be millions of dead after various politicians decide to talk and talk instead of doing something about some threat. The Europeans are great for ignoring threats until they have to be bailed out. Next time we just won't. Let them get slaughtered and wonder then why aren't the Americans there to rescue them from their own stupidity. Keep attacking us because we are not your lap dogs, we are remembering every shot at us.

    • Tim
      August 03, 2010 - 23:23

      HA! Hate our guts? The world is jealous of the U.S. We are confident, not cocky or arrogant. Even if we were arrogant we would be worthy to be so. Let's put it this way, WE are the sun of the universe. Everyone else are the planets and little moons spinning around us suckling off our heat and light. The United States is the great Country to have ever existed. This article, REGARDLESS of which news site it's on, is happening all over Europe and Canada and where ever socialized medicine is LAW. It's retarded. Your own country's policies of socialism is failing and instead of helping yourselves and progressing, you point fingers and blast insults at the ONE Country that does more GOOD in the world than the rest of the countries combined. Europeans and Muslims are so far up their own hindquarters it's sad, if not pathetic.

    • B.A. Butler
      August 03, 2010 - 23:25

      LOL. . . . Comments like yours always give me a huge laugh. There is a massive line of people waiting to become US citizens, not to mention the hundreds of thousands who swarm our southern boarder each year. I guess none of these people received the "most hated" memo.

  • Gen. Lee Wright
    August 03, 2010 - 19:07

    You've never seen an animal at the vet being treated the way you were because animals don't have (mostly) mandatory health insurance. Their owners pay the full cost associated with every visit to the vet unless they purchase private insurance. To all reading this story, please stop supporting socialized medicine. Especially those of you in the US - take a good look at your O'Bamacare future unless you act wisely in Nov.

  • James from Alberta
    August 03, 2010 - 18:48

    I call bullsh*t on Lee from Alberta. Having been to hospitals in St. Albert, Stony Plain, Edmonton, Wetaskiwin, Jasper, Leduc, Camrose, and Lac La Biche many times over the years I can tell you that I have never waited only 10 minutes. On average it's around 6 hours, sometimes as much as 12 hours like it was after a recent motorcycle accident. A freaking motorcycle accident that resulted in a paralyzed arm and severe road rash and I had to wait 12 hours!! And although we don't pay at the time of service, we pay a helluva lot for our "free" health care.

    • MackII
      August 03, 2010 - 19:39

      Yeah, something Lee and a few other Canucks forget to look at - how much they pay in Taxes compared to the U.S. Tax rate is way higher, gasoline is way higher (tax), vehicles are 20% higher (tax), plus VAT on everything. That "free" healthcare ain't free, eh? And Dems keep selling the "Americans go bankrupt over health bills" BS - but don't mention that they scoured every bankruptcy that had ANY medical bill in it to get their stats. If you owed your credit card company for a prescription filled, or had an old clinic bill for $30 you forgot to or didn't pay, and it's listed in the bankruptcy papers, they count that as a "bankruptcy impacted by medical bills". Does it happen? Sure but not nearly as frequently as their stats pretend. Most people in the U.S. have great coverage, and pay LESS for it than Canadians pay for their rationed Health Care, and most of those without health insurance do that by choice not because they can't afford it. So whose fault is it if they have a sudden big medical bill, if they decided that extra vacation to Europe, or that 4 wheeler toy was more important that health coverage? (and before you flame me I'm a transplanted Canuck living in Dallas, so know all about Canadian Health Care.

    • TheyComeInPeace
      August 03, 2010 - 21:07

      Obama ... read these posts. Enough said ... repeal Obamacare.

  • TraderLu
    August 03, 2010 - 18:46

    So glad that we will soon have rationed health care in the U.S. Wake up Americans. My sympathy to the parents who lost their child.

  • Don
    August 03, 2010 - 18:39

    Hip2b2, I'd like to see how the Canadian Health care system would hold up under the constant stream of illegals wanting to have their anchor babies. No pre-natal care, coming in at the last minute. There would be dead babies all over the waiting room.

    • Sue
      August 03, 2010 - 19:34

      Right on Don!

  • Shara
    August 03, 2010 - 18:31

    My heart goes out to this poor woman. Losing a child (Even an unborn one) is such a horrible thing. Especially under the conditions that she was put through! Waiting room times are awful even here in the US. I went in to the ER at 8:00 one night when I was 17 weeks pregnant because I started bleeding and thought I had a miscarriage, or was at risk for having one. I kid you not... I did not see a doctor until at least 2:00 and I wasn't out of there until 3:30. Once I did see the doctor and nurses, they were very professional. (Turns out I didn't have a miscarriage, just a cyst). Of course, she was gushing blood, which makes this story all the worse. I don't know if hospitals are understaffed, or if their ER staff simply lack time management skills but it's clear that there is a REAL problem when things like this happen. Something happened to mess up the (usually) infallible rule of supply and demand.

  • JJ
    August 03, 2010 - 18:00

    Meh... At least you didn't have to pay for it. Free medical is a right you know.

  • Barrack
    August 03, 2010 - 17:55

    This will never happen in the US with ObamaCare... and if it does we can already rest assure that it will be Bush to blame!!!

  • GCR
    August 03, 2010 - 17:53

    Situations like this unfortunately do happen, and country borders do not contain this kind of terrible service breakdown. I am a Canadian. I worked and lived in eastern US for over 15 years, and to claim that malpractice like this only happens in a system such as the Canadian system is totally erroneous. When challenged about the Canadian system in general by Americans, I would question them for an explanation as to why the average life expectancy for Canadians was higher than Americans. Why the infant mortality rate was significantly lower in Canada. Is it possible that on average, Canadians had better health care service and availability to the average person than Americans, who are more dependent on ability to pay?

    • Jeff L
      August 03, 2010 - 20:50

      Actually GCR the life expectancy differences are a result of the higher obesity rates of Americans, more murders and more car accident deaths. The U.S. also counts more stringently infant mortality then most nations giving a higher rate for that also. Health care wise, foreigners come to the U.S. for much of the advanced medical care if they have the money.

    • BCKane
      August 03, 2010 - 21:36

      GCR- not to argue about who's medical care is better, but the specific issues you bring up (infant mortality, life expectancy, etc.) are just talking points that completely ignore facts or reasonable analysis. As multiple studies in Canada have reported, Canada's infant mortality rate is highly suspect (and seems to be climbing as records become more accurate) because of sever problems in Canada's reporting process (as shown by Canadian Perinatal Surveillance System & Public Health Agency of Canada studies). It has been a Canada's policy to exclude any province where at lease 30% of the infant death's linked to a certificate and not use that province in its overall calculations. On top of that, you also have to look at demographics of the population and the general medical trends for differing ethnic races. A very good example is individuals of African descent who tend to have dramatically higher rates of infant mortality, hypertension, heart disease, etc. (when compared to White, Asian or Hispanic). As i mentioned above, this has nothing to do with a better health system, but each one of your points were specifically developed to push an agenda and depend on myopic individuals to further push those points. I'm absolutely sure that some similar type of tragedy has occurred at a US medical facility, so it shouldn't be used to paint the Canadian Health system with a broad brush. Personally, having experienced health care systems in North America, South America, Europe and the Mediterranean i tend to lean toward the US version. That is 100% based solely on MY experience and i'm sure others will greatly disagree having lived through different experiences.

  • Alex
    August 03, 2010 - 17:43

    “The sort of things we’re looking at is, was she triaged appropriately?” said Hender Huh? W...T...F!

  • Jesse
    August 03, 2010 - 17:37

    It was correct that everyone receives health care in the US since the law stated that nobody can be turned away. Doesn't matter if you are indigent or not, you would have received health care. But wait, turns out that this is no longer true. We have two doctors in my family and both were surprised to find out that the new Obama-care law removes the requirement to treat everyone as of Jan 1, 2010. Since everyone now supposedly has health-care insurance this requirement to provide treatment and bill later is gone. Many hospitals are already turning away people in droves. Yea...free healthcare...yea right...no more healthcare. Better learn to stitch your own leg and birth your own children because if you can't show health coverage then you aren't going to get treated in the US any more by most hospitals thanks to Obama.

  • KDK
    August 03, 2010 - 17:36

    My heart goes out to this woman and her husband. Something similar happened to my American sister-in-law in a California hospital.

  • Todd
    August 03, 2010 - 17:00

    At least the didn't have to pay for it. America, do you see what you have to look forward to?

  • Catherine
    August 03, 2010 - 16:54

    Your vile comments about Americans has nothing to do with the story of this young woman and what happened to her in one of your hospitals. She would not have been left in the emergency room to hemmorage. Perhaps rather than attack the intellect of people you do not know, you should consider the story and the efficiency of your healthcare system. We do not want nationalized healthcare in America and 70% of the people want it repealed. By the way, I would rather go into bankruptcy that have a dead child or hemmorage to death while waiting in an emergency room. Call me crazy, dumb, whatever. I say look at your own attitude first.

  • Josh
    August 03, 2010 - 16:49

    And to you fine lefties who are whining about linking to Drudge.... It would be great if this was the only story to pop out of Canada to involve the Canadian (lack of) health care system. Too bad its just one more of the many we get to read. Also a neat tid bit for you to know is that the UK is now working to make health care private... Yea thats right the UK. And why would that be? Maybe because it is unsustainable? And what is it with all these free health care people .... Don't your realise it is by no means free... Someone else is paying for it like the healthy guy who is not a worthless slob who has no need to visit a doctor.... meanwhile your gov. forces at gun point to pay into the system hes doesn't abuse.... USA has a free health care system and if you ask (provided you speak spanish) any of the 20 million illegals from neighbor to the south they would tell you its great! in the US no hospital can turn away anyone who needs Emergency treatment.... How ever Mexico has informed the invaders of this so any head cold for cough is a quick ER visit. and being they cant turn them away hospitals are forced to treat people that will never pay .... So that nice bill gets passed on to the tax payers or fed gov. which then collects from the tax payers..... Awsome! and something tells me if Americans were flooding in to canada to milk the welfare system and eat up free resorces, you and all your country people would be pissed just as we are.... and no Americans go bankrupt over healthcare you silly sally. have you seen the "poor" americans you speak of? I Know this answer it is clearly no.... if you are living in "poverty" you are available for state assistance with health care, state funded food stamps, and in some cases welfare such as free housing or based on income so if you show making 100 a month say cleaning houses you might pay 10,20, maybe 30 a month for depends on what jack ass helped them sign up. (i know a person abusing this assistance and working underthe table to live quite nicely..... ) So piss off with your entitlement attitude. It's a shame the US is falling in to the please take care of me colum, that has been dominated by Canada and the UK for so long.... But I fear it has begun. so to re cap free health care is never free. mexico is sucking the USA dry. Poor Americans are mostly lazy Americans. The UK heathcare system wants to be more like the US current system and the US healthcare system will soon be like Canadian and English system And within a few years if the USA dosen't shape up we'll be playin second fiddle to China...... Is it 2012 yet ? The true year of change!

  • Kristen C
    August 03, 2010 - 16:29

    Funny how my son's ambulance bill in Quebec included a "$275 non-resident surcharge", something not done in the US. WE'd have a lot fewer people going bankrupt and losing their homes as a few Canucks have written if US emergency care providers hit up all non-residents with nice surcharges, those there legally would fund our system for years. Charging the illegals would translate to free healthcare for all US citizens. And we still wouldn't have made her sit in the waiting room.

  • Kellie
    August 03, 2010 - 16:29

    I am an RN with several years experience in an extremely busy ER in Alberta. Miscarriage is not to be taken lightly and is a medical emergency for both Mother and child. This Mother should have had immediate attention. The nurses on duty were not only incompetent but heartless. ALL SHOULD BE FIRED! A lawsuit is in order and I hope this couple pursues one. Good on Drudge for carrying this type of story. Our health care system is a disaster and far too many patients suffer needlessly because of it!

    • Aaron
      August 03, 2010 - 18:23

      This exact scenario happened to my wife and I in 1997 After about 3 hours of watching the nurses gossip and giggle and no triage going on I finally got the nerve to say something to them while my wife sat in her own blood in the waiting room - after looking at me with disdain and mulling over the idea of calling security on me because I dared to ask if they could stop giggling and gossiping long enough to find my wife a bed, she finally got some attention - but not before losing all of her dignity. It was shameful. They were taking people with the sniffles or a sprained hand before my wife clearly miscarrying in her chair. I hate hospitals now and avoid them like the plague.

  • Pastor Carmen Cantalupo
    August 03, 2010 - 16:21

    Do we need anymore proof of government healthcare.

  • Jimmy the Dip
    August 03, 2010 - 16:17

    I'm soooo glad that Canadian webmasters are so stupid as to allow unregistered users to keep posting comments under different names to make it look like there is actually more than one Canadian who doesn't like the USA... Hahahaha. Thanks for Mike Myers. He's cool. I also like your maple trees... Banff... and some other stuff. But guys, you've really got to stop making your women wait for 3 hours to get emergency help for their babies. That's really, really bad service.

  • THIS HAPPENS IN THE US TOO
    August 03, 2010 - 16:07

    I was a social worker and had a client call me in the middle of the night needing me to go to the ER with her because she was miscarrying. We were the only ones in the ER and while we were given a room after 30 minutes, we didn't see a doctor for nearly 4 hours. The nurse and I were scrambling around looking for him. I finally ran into him and he said he knew we were in the room and went back to chit-chatting with one of the nurses. I had to yell at him to do his job before he'd move. He followed me to my client's room, walked in, pushed on her stomach twice, turned around and walked out. I reopened the door partway and said, "Tell her she lost it." Then walked down the hall. I chased after him and threatened legal action if he didn't do a proper examination. We were moved to a room that was set up for pelvic examinations and again, had to wait hours before we could find the doctor again. This whole ordeal took us 8 hours and yes, my client lost her fetus. I love how Drudge posts this and a story about a guy sewing up his own leg. Ask any doctor in the US about the crap they see from people attempting to self-treat because the ER waits are ridiculous and people don't have insurance and an overabundance of money to spare. I have lots of food allergies and whenever I have a reaction, I have to wait it out and hope I survive because I can't afford another $7,500 ER bill. Nothing like vomiting blood and writhing in pain for 4-16 hours at a time.

  • bigwhitedog
    August 03, 2010 - 16:02

    Canada!...America's hat.

  • TheOldMan
    August 03, 2010 - 15:58

    In the USA, you cannot be denied medical ER attention regardless of ability to pay. The ER must bring you to a stabilized condition before figuring out where you should go. Having health insurance is not the same as having health care. You can wave your health insurance card around your head for hours but if the personel and facilities are not available, nothing will happen. I prefer to have the services available now and argue about the cost later than wander about with my insurance card looking for help. It reminds me of the saying, better to judged by 12 than carried by 6.

  • Grace
    August 03, 2010 - 15:52

    "More than three hours passed before Michael had enough." What kind of a wimp IS this guy ? ? ? ? Is he MUTE ? Three hours before he spoke up ? A trade-in is in order ! And thanks, Matt Drudge, for linking to this story about the perils of Canadian health care, as opposed to our own lack of any system whatever in the USA.

    • Doug
      August 03, 2010 - 16:52

      GRACE: It's because socialsim breeds wimpy effeminate men who wait for their wives to tell them what to do. Haven't you been watching every single show coming out of Hollyweird depicting men lately? This is now the norm, the METROSEXUAL.

  • Bill Smith
    August 03, 2010 - 15:51

    The British are changing their health care system, when are you canucks going to wise up?

  • Hip2b2
    August 03, 2010 - 15:35

    If anyone cares to look the metrics of the US vs Canada systems they will quickly discover that the US has higher infant mortality, lower life expectancy and spend more per capita (while only covering a portion of the population). Give me the flawed Canadian system any day. My father-in-laws most recent complaint as a cancer long-term survivor is that too may doctors want to see him and why is he getting looked at so often. He's ill,that's why.

    • Eric
      August 03, 2010 - 16:58

      They don't have a higher infant mortality rate. In Canada and Europe, they DO NOT count stillborns and children that live for only hours after birth. In the US, we DO count them. If we use the same measuring methods, we have a lower infant mortality rate.

    • Megs
      August 03, 2010 - 17:01

      Part of the reason we have a higher infant mortality rate in the U.S. is HOW we track live births, and the fact that we can deliver preemies at a much higher rate. We keep them alive as long as we can. Infant mortality means that a baby was outside of the womb, took at least one breath and then stopped breathing or its heart stopped beating. Read: http://baby.families.com/blog/why-the-us-infant-mortality-rate-is-so-high

    • Ken in NJ
      August 03, 2010 - 18:41

      How does Canada define infant mortality - most studies cite the fact that countries have varying definitions of what is a still birth vs. infant mortality, and that really skews the numbers. The healthcare challenge in Canada is an order of magnitude smaller than in the US HIP2B2 - Canada has about 35M residents TOTAL, the US has 20% more uninsured than that (45M), or about 9x more that are insured (250M). Also, the Canadian gov't pays about 70% of the cost of healthcare, individuals cover the other 30% of their coverage - most Americans with insurance from their employers pay a smaller percentage fo the total cost. Ask your Canaidian friends what happens when their GP doctor retires/leave the area - it is up to the patient to find a new doctor, and that is when they find out that there aren't enough doctors to go around. Finally, ask your friends in the US along the Canadian border why their hospitals have entire wings dedicated to treating Canadians. Before you start cheering for the Canadian system, make sure you understand what they offer.

  • oracle2world
    August 03, 2010 - 15:25

    Hey, anyone leaking blood should be seen immediately, so they don't mess up the carpet and chairs.

  • Cheryl
    August 03, 2010 - 15:08

    Prayers for the Handrahans..my sincere condolences to both.

  • J in Boston
    August 03, 2010 - 15:06

    I'm an American in Boston. The Canadian system has big problems, and I'm not an admirer of so-called socialized healthcare, but I'll readily admit we have big problems down here also, even in a big city like Boston, with more MDs proportionate to the population than just about anywhere else...and with some of the best hospitals in the world. I have excellent insurance (Aetna POS), had a motorcycle accident within blocks of Massachusetts General Hospital, was placed in traction and waited 4 plus hours in the emergency room before having xrays and medical attention. And at 1AM they released me without calling the people I requested they contact, and whom they asked the names of three times. Also had to make an appointment with a dermatologist for some mild eczema on my hand, and couldn't find anyone with a wait time under 3 months. For Canadians information also: You can get free care in the U.S. if you plead indigent/poor. And hospital emergency rooms must treat everyone regardless if they have money. There are also many free clinic available, and we have something called Medicaid that gives very inexpensive or free healthcare and drugs to 'Poor' people, the mentally disabled, even alcoholics and drug addicts. It's BADLY abused. Elderly get heavily subsidized/free healthcare through Medicare. Military Vets have the VA system. Massachusetts also has a form of universal healthcare, but it involves utilizing private health insurers.

  • Canadian4Ever
    August 03, 2010 - 14:56

    Another story for the dumb Americans to trash Canadian health care. OfCourse the far right web site like Drudge ( Smudge ) picks it up. I bet he won't tell all the good stories about people not going bankrupt in Canada due to medical bills as it happens in America every day. When will the dumb and Ignorant in America would get their head screwed straight, no wonder jobs are getting shipped abroad. All that is going to be left in America would be flipping burgers or serving in Army. Really Sad to see how dumb my neighbours really are...

    • Cdnbison
      August 03, 2010 - 15:19

      My heart felt condolences to the grieving family. You can slam the Americans for thier healthcare system, but if you can afford the payments you don't have to be tortured by a 3 hour wait in an emergency room and for what we Canadians pay in taxes we should not have to incur our stressful wait times. I have a friend in the U.S. who pay $400 every pay cheque for health insurance. Is it expensive, you bet. But he will never wait months on end to have his family cared for as we do up here. The stress we endure waiting for healthcare never healed anybody!

    • BetterThanWho
      August 03, 2010 - 15:20

      Your comment is full of inaccuracies, not sure if it's worth my time, but here we go: Drudge is far from far right, any liberal with an ounce of rational thought will confirm. You got some facts behind all these Americans going bankrupt because of medical bills? No? Didn't think so. How about empirical stats detailing how many so-called jobs are going overseas vs. being created here due to "dumb and Ignorant America"? No facts again? Just empty rhetoric.

    • Gina USA
      August 03, 2010 - 15:20

      Before you start generalizing the population of America, maybe you need look somewhere else instead of blogging comments at the bottom of a sappy news article that you dont seem to agree with. What happened to this woman is very sad but the harsh reality is, she would find someone to blame for a while because of her grief, that is natural. Having been through a similar situation twice I feel her pain. However, the flip side to this is, odds are that if she was bleeding that bad then the hospital would not have been much help other than to say "there is nothing we can do". This too shall pass. Please remember, not all Americans are dumb or stupid as you claim us to be.... and if Canada would ever find themselves in a situation where they needed assistance, our dumbasses would be the first to step up and defend YOUR ARROGANT ASS!!

    • Frank Drone
      August 03, 2010 - 15:27

      Exactly! She may have lost her baby, but at least she's not in debt.

    • caleejr
      August 03, 2010 - 15:37

      amazing how you're all concerned about what happens in america, instead of caring enough about this poor woman - and caring enough to have the legislature take steps to prevent this from happening again. you fail to see the tragedy and go on the attack. more proof and evidence that some people have NO heart and are more concerned with their party power in government than they are with the people it's supposed to serve. You can not deny that this is a failure in 'government services' In the private sector, there would be malpractice lawsuits and people would never again serve in the medical community - in this instance, that won't happen, and the status quo will continue.

    • sarah jones
      August 03, 2010 - 15:39

      I don't think it is proper to "trash Canadian health care." But, since you put it out there, of course Canadians are not going bankrupt due to medical bills---they can't get seen in a hospital to get medical bills. My condolences to the family. Having been there, I understand your pain.

    • Stevegxxx
      August 03, 2010 - 15:40

      So if we follow your logic, an article printed in a British newspaper, about a sad story of socialized medicine in Canada, appears on the Drudge report,......and anybody who reads it is an Ignorant or Dumb American ? Why is it when ever a liberal or socialist loses an argument or does not even have a valid point to make, they just start insulting people they disagree with ?

    • KFran
      August 03, 2010 - 15:44

      At least those bankrupt Americans are alive and well.

    • What?
      August 03, 2010 - 15:54

      Seriously?? You think Americans are really that concerned about what's going on in Canada? First off you can stop all the pointing of fingers and blaming the right about a story that a CANADIAN paper wrote about LOLOLOL, start there then move on. I'm sure no bad news never gets published in Canada about America.....YAWN......hence why you all hate us so much...so anyways, get over yourselves and have a Coke and a smile!!! And it's pretty obvious that you Canadians love Drudge so much or hate it whichever if you are trolling stories about your own country lol. I know i'm sure you just stumbled across this story on Drudge and said to yourself WHAT!!!!! Please....but keep on with your whole ignorant rants about America since this story was published for the simple fact that you can bash America LOLOLOL way to think for yourselves instead of the person the story is actually about!!!!

    • Alex
      August 03, 2010 - 16:02

      Hey Canadian4Ever, you apparently have never been outside your own village. I am a Canadian and I want to WORLD to know the Canadian Health Care-less system is a joke and this sad story is just another example. I also lived in the USA for 20 years and I have personal knowledge of the excellent care that I had in the US. Now that I'm back in Canada, I am thankful that I live near the border in case i get really sick so I can drive across. You somehow grew up to believe that it is the government's duty to take care of you. (in other words...your neighbors) Life is tough. We get sick. We die. It costs money...one way or the other. The story from Prince Edward Island is not unusual in Canada. I am deeply sorry for Mrs Handrahan's loss. The Canadian system has taken the care out of health care.

    • Jiminy Pissmas
      August 03, 2010 - 16:06

      Yeah, we sure are stupid here in the U.S. Thanks for pointing out our foibles, you awesome Canadian!!! Maple Syrup RULES!!!

    • Stan in Niagara Falls
      August 03, 2010 - 16:10

      Is the anti-American hatred necessary.? The Guardian printed the story. It happened in PEI so why attack the USA? Take responsibility for a broken system and stop attacking people and a country that had nothing to do with it. Maybe a boycott of PEI by Americans would make a difference in PEI's economy. I suggest you grow up and knock it off!

    • TwnsFan
      August 03, 2010 - 16:12

      Big city American ER's are no better. Years ago, my wife was pregnant with our daughter, who is now six. We went to a large clinic in Bloomington, MN and found a doctor to doctor with. She put a scope on my wife's belly and "found the heartbeat". I had to inform her that it was probably my wife's due to the slowness of the beat. She insisted but moved the scope and we heard the faster baby's beat. we laughed it off at the time, but then made a trip to the ER late at night to Fairview Southdale in Edina, MN because my wife hadn't felt the baby kicking in a week. She just wanted a monitor to hear the heartbeat. After 4.5 hours of waiting (the doctors had been clearly informed that they may have a stresses baby on their hands) we left, she drank a gallon of coke and we felt a kick. Big city hospitals are no better in this country.

    • da lo carreno
      August 03, 2010 - 16:23

      Canadian4Ever please tell me you don't live in the USA. Way to kick off intelectual debat. I guess I don't read the queens English so well. learn to write. Learn some respect for the people in uniform. For your information we Remain the GREATEST, COUNTRY, with more inventive people then any other country. Furthermore we have the greatest burgers on the planet Check out In/Out burger next time you are on the west coast, Better yet stay in Canida.

    • Catherine
      August 03, 2010 - 16:49

      Your vile comments about Americans has nothing to do with the story of this young woman and what happened to her in one of your hospitals. She would not have been left in the emergency room to hemmorage. Perhaps rather than attack the intellect of people you do not know, you should consider the story and the efficiency of your healthcare system. We do not want nationalized healthcare in America and 70% of the people want it repealed. By the way, I would rather go into bankruptcy that have a dead child or hemmorage to death while waiting in an emergency room. Call me crazy, dumb, whatever. I say look at your own attitude first.

    • Robert
      August 03, 2010 - 17:39

      How many more horror stories of patient neglect, people dying on waiting lists, death panels, and healthcare rationing before you canadians WAKE UP? Gov't run healthcare equals DEATH. It's that simple but too complicated for Liberal and NDP voters.

  • Don
    August 03, 2010 - 14:54

    Oh no..... This story is linked from the Drudge Report, so now every uninformed, mouth-breathing, moronic American who gets their news from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin and has access to a computer is going to lash out at Canada and Canadian health care, just two of the numerous subjects which they have NO CLUE ABOUT.

    • Jaime
      August 03, 2010 - 16:28

      SO, since SARAH PALIN, RUSH, AND BECK said something, its a MOOT point? Nothing like instant denunciation of others opinions because of their political point of view. POINT 1. SHE sat waiting in a emergency room, bleeding. Point 2. THE DOCTOR didn't see her. POINT 3. HAD this happened in AMERICA, in the land prior to NATIONAL HEALTH CARE, she would've been dealt with. NOT left to die.

  • Mr. C
    August 03, 2010 - 14:48

    First of all I would like to say I feel you the pain of you lost Christine and Michael as I have been there. With that said there is no reason you should have had to endure that amount of willful negligence by the ER staff, the Hospital, and the health care system. I would hope you lose would bring about some chances in the system but I’ll not hold my breath. As for all the people in the US you are getting what you voted for so you have no (Wright) right to complain. Mr. Obama told you all he was going to fundamentally change the US and you said OK. You did not ask How, you just said OK. You did not ask how much it was going to cost, you just said OK. You did not ask what freedom will we have to give up, you just said OK. Well now it not OK, and it may be to late to stop it or change it. So because of you the rest of us will suffer the same fate as you and we did not vote for you Mr. Obama and if fundamental changes he is making to the world. At this point only one thing to say God help Christine and Michael and God help the rest of us as well.

    • Liberty Jane
      August 03, 2010 - 22:54

      Very astute, Mr. C. Rev. Wright was a major influence in Obama's life and we recently discovered some in the press conspired to bury the story (the rest of the press were busy cleaning up the "tingle" down their legs). America's old media have been complicit for many years in the socialization of our country. Pray for us, that we will return to our founding principles. I will, in turn, say a prayer for Canada. Deepest regrets and condolences to the Handrahan family and friends.

  • Coolridge
    August 03, 2010 - 14:33

    Ah, a full investigation has been mounted. Well that ought to be useful, insightful, and make sure it never happens again right? LOL! They "open full investigations" all the time in the UK when something goes wrong but to them "something going wrong" means someone dying. Like the girl who dies of obvious meningeal blood poisoning a few weeks back. There is no remedy for this woman. It happened to her. All people can do once the government takes over health care is to just shake their fists or heads in frustration. That's the whole problem.

  • Heartland Patriot
    August 03, 2010 - 14:20

    Why is it that any publication that has anything negative to say about socialized anything is a "tabloid", while any publication that praises socialized anything is "journalism"? THIS is the elitists on the left in action, their Alinsky tactics on display for all to see.

  • cindy
    August 03, 2010 - 14:03

    I've worked as a nurse in the ER. It may seem harsh, but usually there is nothing we can do for a woman miscarrying and it is often not an emergency. If there is pain with bleeding we worry about an ectopic, but otherwise most miscarriages can be handled at home. I also speak from personal experience. I just miscarried and stayed at home to do it. I'm sure the woman was triaged and would have been seen more quickly if anything was out of the ordinary. Keep in mind over 80% of people seen in ER's are not true emergencies which is why the wait is so long.

  • Lukuj
    August 03, 2010 - 13:59

    First, I have great sympathy for this couple. The pain of losing a child is imcomparable, and it was a baby- not just a group of cells. Secondly, this is a preview of what Obamacare will do to the medical care in the United States if it can't be stopped before it goes entirely into effect.

  • John
    August 03, 2010 - 13:45

    Unbelievable! Why is it that every time there is a negative story about Canadian health care the GOP supporters pounce on it like vultures? The vast majority of Canadians who use our hospital emergency hospitals get looked after in a reasonable time. The Obama haters just love these stories. Such negativity will make you ill

  • John
    August 03, 2010 - 13:43

    Unbelievable! Why is it that every time there is a negative story about Canadian health care the GOP supporters pounce on it like vultures? The vast majority of Canadians who use our hospital emergency hospitals get looked after in a reasonable time. The Obama haters just love these stories. Such negativity will make you ill

  • LOLWUT
    August 03, 2010 - 13:43

    What's with all the Yanks calling us "Canadian elitists"? Since when has Canada ever had an elitist mentality? Since when have we glorified our health care system? Americans believe everything their liberal media tells them... News flash: We hate our system. We believe in a lot of the same things you do. Try not to sound so arrogant, and maybe you'll stop being so hated around the world. It's your arrogance and ignorance that does it, not your beliefs. Your views of everyone else are tainted by your media filters. It is your liberal state-controlled mainstream media that has you believing we love our system, not us. Did you ever stop to think of that? That your lying mainstream media not only lies to you, but misrepresents us as well? I understand you're just lashing out because you're currently being dragged down by communist radicals in the White House, but it doesn't mean you have to act like... well... Americans. 21st century Americans, anyway; dumbed down slaves.

    • Toni
      August 03, 2010 - 16:50

      You , don and canadian4ever are the prime examples for 'elitist' canadians. You are so much smarter and better informed than all of us 'dumb, mouth breathing, arrogant, ignorant' Americans. Yes we are all like that, and Canadians are all like you. I bow to your superiorness...

    • Danny Lemieux
      August 04, 2010 - 04:51

      Since when has Canada ever had an elitist mentality? Uh...in one word: Trudeau.

  • jncarlos007
    August 03, 2010 - 12:45

    The husband is a better man than I. After about 45 minutes there would have been some hospital staff in dire need of the emergency room themselves. Then we would have seen how fast they can move. I hope they sue for billions

    • Strays
      August 03, 2010 - 14:48

      JNCARLOS007 -- That's the first thing I noticed glaringly missing from this article: not a word of a lawsuit. You say "I hope they sue for billions" -- I say: "Sue whom??? -- the Government? " The hospital is Government-run; so you'll have to sue the Government, and Government, I hate to bring it to all of you -- has so-called "crown-immunity" ... you can't sue Government. Sorry.

  • DeerJerkyDave
    August 03, 2010 - 12:44

    Cancer mortality rates are also terrible in nations with socialized health care since people can't get the treatments as fast as they can in the USA. The high costs of health care in the USA can be resolved without turning to socialized health care. And if the cost of health care can come down then it becomes affordable to those who maybe don't have insurance. Let's fix it the Henry Ford way, not the Karl Marx way.

  • Tony
    August 03, 2010 - 12:43

    At least we have a system which everyone gets to see a doctor and not have to sell their home for medical attention

    • Marc
      August 03, 2010 - 14:43

      You may not have to sell your home but that's because you can't see a doctor- Isn't this what this story is all about?

  • Scooter36
    August 03, 2010 - 12:38

    We have many friends from Canada at our golf club. All of them have anything serious with health done in the US? Why do you suppose that is? Why do uppity ups from around the world come to the US for treatment? Why do you suppose that is? We do not want your "free" style insurance programs in the US. You can take your "free" health care and stick it someplace where the sun don't shine.

  • DeerJerkyDave
    August 03, 2010 - 12:38

    Cancer mortality rates are also terrible in nations with socialized health care since people can't get the treatments as fast as they can in the USA. The high costs of health care in the USA can be resolved without turning to socialized health care. And if the cost of health care can come down then it becomes affordable to those who maybe don't have insurance. Let's fix it the Henry Ford way, not the Karl Marx way.

  • jxgrab
    August 03, 2010 - 12:37

    Canada Sucks

  • Scooter36
    August 03, 2010 - 12:36

    We have many friends from Canada at our golf club. All of them have anything serious with health done in the US? Why do you suppose that is? Why do uppity ups from around the world come to the US for treatment? Why do you suppose that is? We do not want your "free" style insurance programs in the US. Wake up you idiot and you can take your "free" health care and stick it someplace where the sun don't shine.

    • Barbara Cassin
      August 03, 2010 - 14:04

      I notice that many of you are advocating suiing the dr/hospital. Please correct me if I am wrong but in the healthcare bill just passed here in the U.S. is there or not a provision that you will not be allowed to sue if something goes wrong?

    • altair79
      August 03, 2010 - 14:13

      Your all right this would never happen in the U.S......IF you have the right insurance or a credit card with no limit. Americans never have to wait for their health care. There is a red carpet and sparkling water in every emergency room. I know I never sat in a waiting room for 6 hours puking my guts out till I was seen. Go put you tin foil hats back on and watch some more Fox news. Every emergency room no matter the country has experiences waits. I have worked in some where we were doing CPR in hallways. It’s what happens after that is different. I know that once she was admitted she had all the care she wanted. She was seen by doctors, counselors and social services. When she was ready to go home she left with condolences and the medical supplies she needed. Just like in America. Only here she would have had a bill too.

    • Chris Humphrey
      August 03, 2010 - 14:22

      This is just so sad. Someone from the hospital doesn't comment on the question whether the lady was safe in the emergency room, but that misses the point: medicine is not car repair -- doctors and nurses should be dealing with the whole person, and even with the anguish and grief that they can't fix. For now, the U.S. system is more patient-centered because patients (or their insurance companies) pay the bill; there is nothing like a government paymaster to enervate patients and hospital staff, so that the former begrudge, but tolerate long queues, and the latter become more and more like regular government bureaucrats.

    • Rick
      August 03, 2010 - 14:23

      We had a similar experience with a child with a broken wrist only in the States, on vacation. The wrist only needed a wrap and a sling (we found out after waiting for 3 hours). They only helped when we said we were sick of it and leaving. The problem is everybody in there with sniffles and stomach aches clogging up the system. If there wasn't anything that they could do for this lady then a nurse should have taken 15 minutes and compassionately explained that to her and sent them home to grieve in the solitude of their home, not let her sit there for hours not only in pain but taking an extra space in the waiting room.

    • Mark
      August 03, 2010 - 14:24

      This is a pregnancy. At 9 weeks there is no intervention possible. She was experiencing a personal emergency NOT a medical emergency. This all seems ok to me.

  • RB
    August 03, 2010 - 12:28

    This entire situation reeks of negligence. I do hope the family consults an attorney immediately and takes legal action against the hospital and the administration.

    • TES
      August 03, 2010 - 14:10

      This is CANADA where the whole medical system is negligent - and Lawyers don't reign supreme

  • Tim Boemker
    August 03, 2010 - 12:27

    Sheeple of the United States: THIS is what's coming our way. Is THIS change you can believe in?

    • jncarlos007
      August 03, 2010 - 12:43

      Nah, lord borack would have put her in a linen closet so her crying didn't offend anyone

    • joe
      August 03, 2010 - 14:07

      You are exactly right. I was talking with a surgeon from Canada, he thinks we are crazy, 5 years for any elective surgery, and 3 months for serious stuff, like breast cancer.

  • Stephens
    August 03, 2010 - 12:22

    To all you Canadian elitists who tout how wonderful your health care system as compare to the US- I live in a city of 1 million plus, and had to go to the emergency room at the city's most popular hospital. My wait time was 10 minutes... I assume that once all of Obamacare kicks in, I will have 3 hour wait times as well...

    • lee
      August 03, 2010 - 12:33

      Yeah I went to the ER in Alberta yesterday. I was seen in less than 10 minutes and walked out with the same amount of money. What did your trip cost, your co pay. I'm happy with ours and unlike you, I have seen both countries services.

    • Paul from Minnesota
      August 03, 2010 - 13:22

      Lee from Alberta should be ashamed of himself. Clearly the system doesn't work if the case reported above happens. And it did. Lee is screwing with reality because he thinks he got a good "deal". He is screwing with the victim above. His selfishness, and that is what it is, may have cost the child its life, and nearly hers. All to 'save' money. Rather poor excuse to impose a totalitarian system on your fellow citizens. I think there can be no doubt that you are one of the covert communists pretending to be 'caring'. It is just a wedge issue for you, nothing more. And nothing you say is to be believed, because as a communist you always believe in lying to get your way.

    • BRIAN
      August 03, 2010 - 14:26

      LEE... That's because the Money never got to your pocket that paid for the trip. Don't for a second think that your trip had no "cost" or "co-pay"

  • Jim from the USA
    August 03, 2010 - 12:18

    I am looking forward to Canadian Style Healthcare in the USA....NOT!!!!

  • Suds
    August 03, 2010 - 12:10

    This is the kind of atrocity coming to us here in the U.S. The majority of us did not want the same socialist health care system as Canada has, Obama basically flipped us the finger and rammed it down our throats anyway. I will be glad to see that wretched Pres. thrown out of office in a couple of years. All of the idiots here preaching about how wonderful socialized healthcare will be should be forced to read this story, along with comments outlining similar situations.

  • Henry chance
    August 03, 2010 - 12:10

    Having worked in an ER, couldn't they tell her they planned on making her wait after she had been there 30 minutes? I once had a major injury with a cut artery and called 2 emergency rooms to see who was backed up and had a surgen meet me at one that wasn't busy.

  • Dan Sichel
    August 03, 2010 - 12:02

    National Health, ugh. What was the last great medical breakthrough in a National Health country? How about in the USA where ugly old capitalism rewards innovation? Hmm, I see a pattern here. The patchwork system of employer provided health care, ugh. Millions without health coverage suffer needlessly in a wealthy nation. Sorry, guys, but there are no simple answers here, both alternatives are bad.

  • Mr Thibodeau
    July 30, 2010 - 13:02

    I certainly hope there are no discrepencies on your front page story. You have created quite a feeding frenzy among those who love the negative.When will you write an article on all the lives saved? I am appalled to see the Guardian has actually used this incident to have a new web poll re: the services of the QEH. The Guardian is becoming just another tabloid. I am embarassed by the lack of respect for our nurses and doctors and for our health care system in general. Perhaps one of the earlier comments had a solution. Start charging for the things that can be seen in a walk in clinic!This will greatly reduce waiting times I am sure. I am not a doctor or a nurse but I like to think our "free" health care is adequate at best.

    • John Dalton
      August 03, 2010 - 11:59

      Mr. Thibodeau: Quit making excuses for this pathetic ER staff. Crap is crap, and you can call it feces or excrement or dung. But at the end of the day, it's still crap. Just like your ludicrous defense of a failed medical system. Keep your idiocy out of public and far the hell away from America. We have no use for such insanity. We're stocked full up with Obama.

    • Ron Reale
      August 03, 2010 - 12:17

      You don't have a health care system, you have a medical lottery. If the doctors and nurses want respect, they should all quite, force the closure of all the slaughterhouses you call hospitals, and bring public health care to an end. Go into small private practices and treat people, not financial statements.

    • Scooter36
      August 03, 2010 - 12:34

      We have many friends from Canada at our golf club. All of them have anything serious with health done in the US? Why do you suppose that is? Why do uppity ups from around the world come to the US for treatment? Why do you suppose that is? We do not want your "free" style insurance programs in the US. Wake up you idiot and you can take your "free" health care and stick it someplace where the sun don't shine.

    • Derek Geldenhuys
      August 03, 2010 - 13:21

      "Start charging for the things that can be seen in a walk in clinic!This will greatly reduce waiting times I am sure." So who's going to decide if they should be at a walk-in clinic? With the widely prevalent entitlement mentality there is no way the patient will choose a walk-in clinic. Do you seriously think patients are going to self-select themselves to pay for treatment?

    • Not a free health care hater
      August 03, 2010 - 14:36

      Incredible. I too have received top notch health care in Canada and I too walked out not a penny poorer. Can't any nay-sayer in this forum understand that in ANY health care setting there will be SOME unfortunate outcomes? Too many people are extrapolating the tragic outcome of one single situation to mean that public health care will kill them. Not true. The millions of people, the vast majority, will say, It's not perfect, but it works. Give it some faith.

  • what year is this anyway
    July 30, 2010 - 12:08

    I'm so sorry I to no what this is like, Why in the hell is the Goverment spending so much money on these stupid roundabouts and not on your hospitals. Its not a big thing till it happens to goverment staff of MLA famliys.

  • Denise
    July 30, 2010 - 08:05

    I am so sorry for this couples loss. I too had a similar situation in Fredericton. I was 12 weeks pregnant and sat in the emergency room for six hours, having what ended up being my first miscarriage. I initialy went to the ER hoping that I wasn't miscarrying and that there was something they could do but instead, I had to sit there and wait, coming to the realization over the six hours that I was losing my baby. I am a nurse and I understand todays health care system and it's issues and I stand by my fellow nurses and doctors but in this situation Christine should have been given quick attention, compassion and privacy and I am so sorry that her miscarriage took place the way it did. Thinking of you Christine and Michael.

  • another patient
    July 30, 2010 - 06:14

    Sadly this has been going on for years....I am sure that there are tons of stories just like this one. 7 1/2yrs ago I suffered my first miscarriage...waited for hours at the emergency room....just to be told to go home and let nature take its course....6months later I suffered another miscarriage and surprise surprise it was the same thing thing, wait for hours to be told to go home and deal with it....ironically, when my sister miscarried her first baby and went to the Prince County hospital she was taken rightin and recieved the medical treatment necessary including support for the emotional turmoil she was in.

  • Albertadoc33
    July 30, 2010 - 02:47

    As an emergency physician in Alberta who sees this very sad situation everyday, and has experienced it in my own personal life, I feel terrible for the parents. I also feel terrible for the staff at the hospital who are receiving such horrible criticism. Because of emergency overcrowding, hospital staff use a scientifically proven method of determining who should be seen first and who waits longer. It prevents us from making choices with our hearts- like taking a tearful young lady with normal vital signs and a possible miscarriage before the 50 year old, who looks well to all in the waiting room, but has chest pain and a heart attack that needs treatment now. From a purely medical perspective, a miscarriage at 9 weeks is like a heavy period (there is nothing that resembles a fetus, only tissue and blood- not enough bleeding to harm the woman). There is no "single" miscarriage event like in a birth/delivery, and the bleeding may go on for up to a week in many cases. NOTHING could have prevented this miscarriage. Women are not admitted to the hospital for this sad event, they go home to grieve with their family and friends. It is terrible this woman had to wait so long to hear the bad news. We hate it as much as you do, but we realize that tough decisions must be made. Long wait times are a system problem, not the problem of the emergency staff. Next time you go to the emergency room try something new, like saying thanks! Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/prince-edward-island/story/2010/07/29/pei-emergency-wait-miscarriage-584.html#socialcomments#ixzz0v95swgGW

    • Cousin Eddie
      August 03, 2010 - 12:25

      You are correct in saying that it is a systemic problem. This is what you get when you take the decision of care away from the patient and doctor, and put it in the hands of the bureaucratic machinations or "scientifically proven methods". Sad to say, it appears that the Americans will be dealing with these kinds of situations soon.

  • Disgusted
    July 29, 2010 - 22:20

    The moment this woman came in and said she was pregnant and bleeding she should have been taken in. If the ER staff were too busy then an OB/GYN should have been consulted. There is no excuse for this. It's sad that in the year 2010 miscarriages are still treated as something that happens all the time. Yes, they do. People die all the time, it doesn't mean we treat it as no big deal and forget about it. I hope the PEI government can get it's act together. My condolences to this couple. I hope when they are ready a baby will be on the way with a much happier ending.

  • wendy reynolds
    July 29, 2010 - 22:03

    I had the misfortune of being badly burned on both of my legs, below the knees, while vacationing on PEI a few years ago. The trauma of that event remains with me still, but it is not the severe pain I remember but the incredible lack of care I recieved at the QE Hospital. The doctor was a disgrace. He gave me tylenol when I was crying with pain, and when I was finally given flamazine and bandages by the nurses, he explained that there were really sick people there who had to come first. When I finally got back to Halifax, the doctors there were outraged at my treatment. I was given an epidurmal when my burns were lanced, and told that I had second and third degree burns of a very serious nature. A doctor from the pain clinic visited me and provided me the proper medications. The nurses hugged me, and I started to cry when I realized that for the first time I was actually being cared for. After this I vowed NEVER to be treated in the QE Hospital again.

  • Dawna
    July 29, 2010 - 21:50

    I have suffered a miscarriage, I know the pain mentally and physically, both parents go through. I would not want public display of my situation or my emotions. This is a tragedy, and no-one can say "it happened for a reason". That is not how these parents felt. nor do I. I send my sincere sympathy to these young parents. I do hope you seek legal compensation for your unborn baby.... and the pain and suffering, that you received at the hospital. There is simply no need for that. I find this story devastating...My heart goes out to you both.

  • Sad conditions
    July 29, 2010 - 21:38

    This is terrible, yet doesn't surprise me. I agree that treatment is better in our vet clinics than in our hospital and there is no good excuse for it. My heart goes out to these two very courageous people for bringing this terribly sad story to the public with the hope that other people are not subjected to such unacceptable conditions.

  • don
    July 29, 2010 - 21:32

    awful story. maybe if we stopped building UNECESSARY roundoubts all over the place (crippling the traveling in chtown at tourist time..real smart) we would have money to make things better at the qeh. it's a joke there, people with colds or high temps wasting peoples time. go to a clinic when necassary and leave the qeh open for SERIOUS problems. just my opinion, thanks

  • Smurf Stealington
    July 29, 2010 - 21:29

    Seems to be an awful lot of unnessasary waiting, which just ends up hurting people going on here in olde PEI.

  • KTD
    July 29, 2010 - 21:16

    In the first trimester, there is absolutely nothing that ER staff can do to stop a miscarriage. It is tragic to experience, and I believe amongst the cruelest things nature can do to a woman, but there is no stopping it when a pregnancy is doomed to fail. Those of you who are laying blame on the hospital staff for the loss of this woman's pregnancy are speaking of something you clearly do not understand. They likely did not put her into a room because they probably did not have a room for her. Would you rather a patient in respiratory or cardiac distress be displaced? With regards to her blood soaking through her jeans, I would like to point out that I was offered sanitary products by the nurse when I went in with my most recent miscarriage. They were kept near the triage desk at that time. Had she or her husband but asked for one, her dignity would have been preserved. Each time I have been at the QEH - including for miscarriage - I have been treated with the utmost dignity, kindness, and compassion by the medical staff there. I have always been treated promptly for the nature of the condition I went in with and have faith in the staff there that they are doing their best with the available resources. My thoughts and prayers are with this couple in their time of grief, and I sincerely hope they never experience another miscarriage. I would also like to take this moment to point out that I sincerely doubt that the commenter by the name of Eric Gosselin is an RN at all as any RN worth the paper their degree is printed on knows there is no way to save a 9 week pregnancy. Considering that fetal demise has often occurred days, even weeks, before the bleeding even starts, the best obstetrician in the world could not have saved that baby.

  • Our fault...
    July 29, 2010 - 20:43

    As sad as this is, I think we (the public) need to take some responsibilty. If we didn't use the Emergency Room/Outpatients for non-emergency situations, the staff at the QEH might be able to tend to legitimate patients in a more appropriate manner. The staff can't offer couples like this privacy when the rooms are filled up with every little sore throat and stubbed toe that walks through the door. (Seriously, the last time I was at the ER, the lady beside me was there because she stubbed her toe that morning. Not bruised or swollen, nor was it impacting her ability to walk. She thought she needed painkillers). There are now numerous clinics available--some with very flexible hours--to treat minor issues. I've been to a few clinics and never waited more than 45 minutes. I have also started visiting the naturopathic doctor, which incidently, has improved my overall health ten-fold!

  • phylliscurrie
    July 29, 2010 - 20:32

    To you both my sincere condolences on the loss of your baby. It was horrific that they left you waiting. Please take care and do the smart thing

  • Displaced RN
    July 29, 2010 - 20:12

    This is so sad for the young couple. It is also so sad for the nurses and doctors who work at the QEH. Hearing the anger of the people of PEI directed at the staff is very distressing. I can't believe any one of them would choose to have the emergency room understaffed, with patients waiting hours and hours to be seen, I am sure they are every bit as frustrated and disheartened as the public. Maybe it would be better to join together and try to change the system. With the opportunities that exist in other provinces and in the US for RN's to have good jobs with reasonable hours and fair pay and where we are so appreciated, I am very surprised that there are even any left there. Thank goodness there are those who keep trying against all odds, even the harsh criticism of those they try to serve.

    • kathy
      July 30, 2010 - 01:20

      I agree with you "Displaced RN", Reading comments against the people who are trying their best to serve the public, makes one not to want to return to PEI, but to stay where one is appreciated. I am a RN and after reading the comments in the papers for the past years, will not offer to return to assist the people of PEI. maybe, we should go back to" pay for service" that the Island had till the late 60's, and then we will really hear the music. ;)

  • Islander
    July 29, 2010 - 19:56

    I took my daughter inlaw to this hospital after she had been hurt in a car accident and the nurse FULLY understood she was in a car accident and was hurt but she was left waiting for close to two hours when she could not stand the pain anymore I walked right into the treatment area (where the Dr. is and asked when my daughter inlaw would be seen to since she had been in a car accident and the nurse in there said she was in a car accident and is left sitting in the waiting room and she said leave it to me and my daughter inlaw was seen to right away THANKS ONLY to this nurse.I do not think it is always fair who is treated first as I have seen ones that were treated before that were not as bad as some still sitting waiting to be treated.Something has to change and it is up to the people we voted in to do their jobs not just give us a nice speech of what is to come and smile as if they are doing great things for us. And it would not hurt with some of the nurses (you notice I said some not all) would just show they do have a heart and act human when people are at there worst and need their help.

  • Another Parent
    July 29, 2010 - 19:38

    My deepest compassion for the couple who had to endure this horrific treatment or lack of. I too suffered a miscarriage and traveled to this hospital only to be made wait [not as long] and then in the stress of the situation was asked if I would allow a student to perform an internal exam, and after returning to the waiting room was told in the hallway in front of several other patients that it was in fact a miscarriage and there was nothing to do except go home and endure it. Hopefully this is the slap in the face the Queen Elizabeth Hospital needs to realize that the medical profession is not just a place to make lots of money. Not an ounce of compassion, not a Tylenol for the pain, not a Kleenex to wipe the free flowing tears. Let's close some more emergency rooms and overpopulate this one even more. Wonder if they make some of the big wig politicians wait several hours too?

  • Formerly from PEI
    July 29, 2010 - 19:38

    This is a very sad situation..This woman should have been taken to a room immediately and have a doctor see her right away!!!!..That poor woman to have to go through that in a public hospital waiting room...That is horrific!!!!!...So much for the wait times at the QEH getting any better with the new emergency section!!!...What a joke!!!!!...If I was this couple I would definately be suing!!!....Maybe a lawsuit will in turn put out much better sevice at this hospital...Something needs to be done now!!!!

  • anne raymond
    July 29, 2010 - 18:08

    I feel sorry for this couple, losing your first baby is very sad.

  • Beyond Disgusted
    July 29, 2010 - 17:42

    Whether or not there was no stopping the miscarriage, the fact that the poor woman's life was crashing down on her and she was forced to sit in a crowded waiting room with the blood from her miscarriage soaking her clothing. This is beyond third world medical care. Acting ex. director of the QEH Dr. Rosemary Trainor said people with maladies that put their life at stake were given first priority. So, does this mean that the folks in emergency do not consider the life of an unborn child a priority?

  • Islanderandlovingit
    July 29, 2010 - 17:25

    I am so sick of people saying that Islanders shouldn't put up with this.. Islanders use the department, for non emergent visits!! this is why we wait.. there are signs allllll over the waiting room.. (if you've ever been) about , "worst is FIRST") and what is an emergency visit. Its ridiculous the way "out of towners" are talking about this. THEY need to get their facts straight before commenting. ALSO. I know from experience, that when a nurse triages you.. she IS trained in what she is doing and follows guidlines. They do not let critically ill patients sit and wait.. it just doesn't happen. They do tell patients to come to the desk if symptoms worsen/change, so that they can reasses... Stop complaining. It is a one sided story and you shouldn't be so quick to judge... there are two sides to every story people.. give it up. I'd like to see how many of these people use the emergency dept and get great care.. I don't think they would be praising.. pfffff

    • Mary Anne
      July 29, 2010 - 23:52

      RE: ISLANDERANDLOVINGIT..Did YOU read the article? Because if you had, you would have read the the comments..they interviewed Henderson "acting executive director, and she was given the opportunity to give the other side!!!!! The fact is,it is a National Health Care Issue, shortage of nurses , shortage of Doctor's, reason why ppl have no place else to go but the emergency dept to be seen. Do you think these ppl waiting 10 and 12 hrs want to be there?? Just something to do on a Saturday Night? No of course not! these ppl are sick, hurt, and have real problems, and shouldn't be dismissed! Thats all this poor women was asking for a little compassion! I am sure that this particular triage nurse had the proper training, but, she should have know that heaving bleeding that soaks through your pants could have been something much more than a miscarriage. That women should have been taken to a private room at the very least ! A NURSE CAN HAVE ALL THE TRAINING , BUT WITHOUT COMPASSION , I WOULDN'T CALL HER MUCH OF A NURSE!

  • Erin Gossling
    July 29, 2010 - 16:46

    I am an RN visiting from BC. The situation described is absolutely horrific. The triage nurse should have made sure this woman was IMMEDIATELY seen by a doctor to try and save the baby. Sadly not only was the baby in grave danger but the mother herself. Having said that, this young couple have an excellent law suit and I hope they follow through. The triage nurse that was incompetent has blood on their hands, and should be fired.

    • Lori
      July 29, 2010 - 18:40

      It is true, there is too much incompetence at the QEH emergency department. Anyone who has the unfortunate experience with them knows they are uncaring, dismissive, and very nonchalant. How much longer do Islanders has to continue to suffer with such disgraceful services?

  • peimom
    July 29, 2010 - 16:40

    This is such a sad situation I can't even try to understand what this couple was going through. As I was re-reading this article I couldn't help but notice that the couple doesn't seem to really blaming the hospital for what happened but can't seem to understand ( which I cant either ) why they weren't at least offered some type of privacy . I don't really see this as blaming them for the miscarriage so much as for the privacy of it happening. Most times a miscarriage can not stopped but I do agree that they could of at least been offered a room . I am soooooo sorry this happened !!!

  • To Quick
    July 29, 2010 - 16:19

    you people are too quick to judge, how many of you realize that this situation happens to women everyday and when you get to that point there is no saving it, and as much as it is a horrible situation its gods way and your bodys way of telling you something is not right with baby or baby will not develop correctly. it is in no way the triage nurse or anyone at the QEH's fault its natural and thats that. People need to stop nagging at others just because they want to get their 2 cents in. i feel for this couple as i have gone through this as well, and its not easy but the good thing is you can try again, you can always try again.

  • To Quick
    July 29, 2010 - 16:17

    you people are too quick to judge, how many of you realize that this situation happens to women everyday and when you get to that point there is no saving it, and as much as it is a horrible situation its gods way and your bodys way of telling you something is not right with baby or baby will not develop correctly. it is in no way the triage nurse or anyone at the QEH's fault its natural and thats that. People need to stop nagging at others just because they want to get their 2 cents in. i feel for this couple as i have gone through this as well, and its not easy but the good thing is you can try again, you can always try again.

    • Lisa
      July 29, 2010 - 16:56

      Re: To Quick and your opinion. I understand your point but the real point here is the fact that she sat there in that waiting room for 3 hours bleeding and having a miscarriage!! There is absolutely no need of that happening. Even if there was no way to stop the miscarriage, for the love of God, take the poor woman into a room and give her some medical attention! Is that too much to ask?

    • Sarah
      July 29, 2010 - 18:38

      Having a miscarriage is extremely painful not just emotionally, but physically! This poor woman and her husband should have been given some privacy.

    • brenda
      July 29, 2010 - 22:59

      I beg to differ with your opinion To Quick, it is not always the bodies way of telling you something is wrong with the baby or that it will not develop. My daughters baby died at 23 weeks term and the autopsy told us that he was perfect that nothing was wrong with him! When she was 17 weeks term the hospital left her waiting also. Then when she was labouring at 23 weeks they sent her to IWK by car on the ferry, told her when she got to the ferry if the pains were stronger not to get on.....dispicable! She was in and out of the hospital for 6 weeks and to halifax where they told her he was fine the first time. Do not say you can try again, yes you can but you cannot replace the one you lost...the beautiful, perfect little child who is gone! This is not just a fetus i am talking about here, this is a beautiful little boy, my grandson!

  • Terrible
    July 29, 2010 - 14:46

    The health car in this province is getting worse everyday. Now they are planning to cut back family Doctors from 90 down to 65. This will leave even more people going to emerg. Something has to be done.Money is being squandered on so many other things. It is the DUTY of Government to take care of the citizens. Why else do we pay taxes???

    • ObamaIsBlack
      August 03, 2010 - 16:07

      Govt is not your keeper... you are....stand up and be accountable. Socialisim destroys. VOTE THE BUMS OUT 2012 CAMPAIGN

  • Holly barker
    July 29, 2010 - 14:35

    I have a close friend who has just relocated to Charlottetown. She is the mom of three young kids and last week after her middle child fell ill she took him to this hospital. The outrage and frustration she described to me was awful - and very enraging. The same friend just sent me a link to this story. My husband and myself and 2 year old boy are planning a move to Charlottetown, but I know now if any of us become ill, or god forbid in a life threatening situation we may die waiting for help! That statement sounds dramatic, but its not. this is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. My friend described not only long waits, but rude and extremely uncareing staff, nurses and physicians. Shame on you PEI! You should be utterly ashamed of yourself - get with the times, come out of the dark ages fix this MESS! I for one will never move to your province until I know its safe to do so!

  • Wow
    July 29, 2010 - 14:23

    Not blaming the parents but if that were my wife, I'd would have gone to Summerside immediately after seeing the room packed and finding out that people had been waiting 10+ hours

    • Discouraged
      July 29, 2010 - 15:50

      First my condolences to the couple to go through this, I hope you will experience your moment later on and remember things happen for a reason. Now on to why it happened, remember our budgets are stretched thin why in the past few days I have seen where more money is needed for piping plovers, we just took in 19 refugees from somewhere you can bet your bottom dollar they are not waiting in a clinic to be checked although they have never paid a penny in taxes, People moving home from the states, never paid a cent in taxes now they are looking for free medical care, Robert Ghiz and his men have put their money into bricks and mortar and no thought to who will staff the buildings. Certainly with Carolyn (the beautiful and I need more makeup) at the helm of this we can only see more fiascos, Islanders and Canadians money need to be spent in a rational way and that will on;ly be accomplished by people who have served in the health care field , not someone who has a doctorate or a degree by sitting in a university with no life experience. It is amazing to me that our Premiers wife works in out patients( and is competent) and he thinks all is well, c,mon Rob and Kate lets have some pillow talk and he may yet recover to lead again. Beats me why we pay to have Cirque Soule come to town when we have our government.

    • hey Wow
      July 30, 2010 - 06:58

      If you live in Eastern Kings County, you would not take a chance on Montague cause it is a old person home.... And now you will wait 10 plus hours in Town... So you drive to Summerside??? What a health care system we have!!!

  • Deeply saddened to hear this
    July 29, 2010 - 14:21

    I was so discouraged to hear this story, although sadly I was not surprised. I recently took a toddler in to be treated and we were ended up waiting 10 hours before we were treated. We were told that there was only one doctor on duty and that it was a crazy day. I can't' imagine how you must feel. It certainly is terrible. I do however, feel for the staff that ARE working in these conditions. It must be terrible for them to work those hours and to have people such as myself angry (not necessarily at them). Unfortunately they face the brunt of our anger.

    • Katy
      August 03, 2010 - 17:29

      I have miscarried twice and while my losses occurred at home, I cannot imagine avoiding the hospital if there was any thought that the baby could be saved. And to say that this couple was treated terribly is a gross understatement. Two things I have learned from presenting in ERs in the US over a lifetime---including incidents for myself, my husband, my 3 kids, and now our elderly parents. First is if there is a good reason to be transported by ambulance, do not hesitate to call for one rather than get into a car. If you arrive on a gurney, the paramedics take you straight into an examination room. They call ahead to the hospital to make sure the hospital has room for you. If the hospital cannot accept you for any reason, the ambulance is diverted to another facility. But you DO get into an exam room. Second, do not hesitate if the ER experience is less than satisfactory/timely/safe to call your own doctor. Explain the situation and ask him/her to intervene on your behalf. I have had our own doctors call the ER dept and instruct them to wheel my mother straight to admitting and get her up into a bed NOW, when she became increasingly weak and ill during a long stay in the ER waiting room. There are a few of the tactics that can be used and they are effective in making sure your loved one does not endure more trauma/risk in the ER than anyone should have to put up with. I admire patience in most instances, but in my experience the people who agree to wait 3 hours, get to. The same goes for 6 hours, 12 hours, and so on.

    • Betsy
      August 04, 2010 - 05:39

      Some of your stories made me cry. My heart went out to the couple. I am sorry for their loss. But I have to ask why all the Canucks on here if they hate Drudge and what he might stand for? Or are they monitoring it so that they can back the Obama administration when they enforce The Fairness Doctrine through the back door to shut down the few free thinking media outlets we have left in our country. Kinda like the memo where they are going to bypass Congress to give our illegals amnesty so they can vote Democratic. As far as health care, no, I don't want to live in a nanny state. I don't want the government to "provide" me with things and then use those very "things" as leverage against me in the voting booth, in the lives of my children and their children AND I never want to live in a country where the government has such disproportionate size and power to that of its tax paying citizens so that even the smallest of decisions or changes takes years to process because the government is such a large and hungry beast. Tout what you will Canada, but your country owns a great deal of you. Suckle the government teat and you get what they feel like giving you. You have no choice.