UPEI prof says effect of PNP investigation unclear



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Decision '11

Published on September 15, 2011
Published on September 15, 2011
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RCMP , Globe and Mail , Citizenship and Immigration Department , Canada

It’s too early to tell what impact an RCMP investigation into the provincial nominee program will have on the election, says a UPEI professor.

Political science professor Peter McKenna said it’s hard to tell if the issue will have any traction over the next few weeks. 

“The real issue here is can this be incontrovertibly linked to the (Premier Robert) Ghiz government?” he said.

McKenna was responding to a report in the Globe and Mail that the federal Citizenship and Immigration Department received information about the PNP, which it referred to the RCMP and the Canadian Border Services Agency.

The Liberal campaign was moving along uneventfully for the first two weeks of the campaign until the story broke, he said.

“It’s a bump along the road.”

McKenna said the story will take the Liberals off the party’s message track for a few days, but it’s an open question as to whether or not it will have a lasting impact.

He also said most Islanders have already made up their mind as to what they think about the PNP and some people are tired of hearing about it.

“I don’t know how much traction there is in pushing this seemingly dead horse further down the road,” he said.

McKenna said he didn’t think the program was a major electoral issue for most voters at this time.

“None or very little.”

That could change if evidence comes out that connects Ghiz to how the PNP units were allocated, he said.

McKenna said the latest news doesn’t help the Liberal campaign because Ghiz now has to explain the government’s position and thinking on the investigation.

“It’s not a good day for the Liberals, but it’s not a game changer,” he said.

This isn’t the first time a police investigation has landed in the middle of an election campaign.

During the 2006 federal election the RCMP informed the NDP it was investigating an alleged leak of an announcement that changes were coming to income trust taxation rules.

A letter from the RCMP named then finance minister Ralph Goodale in the investigation, but he was later cleared of any wrongdoing.

The RCMP public complaints commission also said the decision to name Goodale likely influenced the election.

McKenna said the RCMP doesn’t always make investigations public and he wondered why the PNP investigation was during an election campaign.

“They’re not supposed to be interceding in political affairs,” he said.

Postmedia News columnist Stephen Maher said the Goodale incident left a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths.

“The Liberals thought that cost them the election and the government of Canada,” he said.

A lot of people thought the way the RCMP handled the investigation during the 2006 election was questionable and the idea of the police interfering in an election isn’t something anyone wants, he said.

But he said the police face a dilemma because there have been cases of police holding off on announcing an investigation is underway until after an election, which might have deprived voters of information.  

Maher said in the end it’s up to Islanders to decide what they think of the investigation.

“Voters will have to make their own judgment as to the meaning of it all.”

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  • Username
    CrazyTalk
    - September 18, 2011 at 18:57:50

    Hey "Not Impressed" - This story does not quote the Liberals as saying anything about the RCMP - This is the response of a university professor. Perhaps you ought to aim your shotgun at the page and read.

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  • Username
    TOM
    - September 17, 2011 at 18:47:34

    Thank you Prof Mckenna for coming to PEI.as a Professer.Harvards loss but certainly our gain.

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  • Username
    VERY DISAPPOINTED
    - September 17, 2011 at 18:43:20

    If the Liberals maintain that they did nothing wrong, why are they so concerned that the R. C. M. P. are doing an investigation?????????? Furthermore, the three ladies are NOT CRAZY as Mr. Ghiz quoted on C. B. C. a statement like that is juvenile and possibly comes under the catagory of verbal abuse and he should apologize for calling them " CRAZY " that is a very powerful accusation.

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  • Username
    not impressed
    - September 16, 2011 at 12:43:52

    Now the Liberals are blaming the RCMP for political interference, and calling the 3 women who came forward for whistleblowing self-serving ..a shotgun approach..blast everywhere but the main target.....who did what in PNP? thats the question..........

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    David Jennings
    - September 16, 2011 at 12:38:20

    You cannot judge how large an issue is by reading the comments on The Guardian web site. A small number of Islanders actually post comments to a story and those that do have their own agendas and both parties have their staff posting. Also, many people post under several names. What may look like a major issue to the posters has to be looked at with a grain of salt. That is not to say the PNP is not a big story, I just don't think it is the next Watergate nor will it bring down Ghiz.

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  • Username
    What the heck -
    - September 16, 2011 at 12:17:03

    Is this fellow actually teaching our youth at the university. This is certainly an opinion - and as our old philosophy teacher would point out - opinions are at best, the lowest form of knowledge. Or as they say on the street, they are like A*******'s - everyone has one. I am beginning to lose faith in the Guardian's professional standard. Of course the PNP is massive - it not only is an issue - it is THE issue. Why else would the National media give it the time of day. This is my position. The Ghiz government is about to fall over this issue!

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    SG
    - September 16, 2011 at 12:12:07

    Another Report from the Globe and Mail: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/peis-immigration-program-had-long-concerned-ottawa-kenney/article2168153/ (McKenna said he didn’t think the program was a major electoral issue for most voters at this time. “None or very little.”) Where has Prof. McKenna been since 2008 if he doesn't think the PNP was a major electoral issue for voters? Given there has been a call for an Investigation on the PEI PNP Program in my view I DON'T FEEL our Provincial Election should even go forward until the PNP Investigation is completed! How can Islanders make an INFORMED Choice on Electing a Provincial Candidate as our Provincial Leader until this Investigation is completed and Islanders know what took place or didn't? Is it Proper or even Practical for Islanders to choose our Provincial Leader for another four years while an Investigation is in Progress? Personally I don't feel it is. I also feel if the powers that be have decided an Investigation is necessary they should initate the same immediately and complete said Investigation in a timely manner. Would a CEO or Executive of a Corporation be Elected if there was such an Investigation to be initiated?

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  • Username
    wow
    - September 16, 2011 at 12:05:44

    i don't believe it ~~~~~ some people here are insinuating they are politicians , that's what they do , they must know what they are doing , leave them alone ,forget about it - nothing will happen anyway - it is terrible to hold an investigation into any wrong doing !!!poor robert -he meant well -crane is just a nasty old lady!!! i say -- THINK OF THE PUBLICITY !!! NATIONAL I!---INTERNATIONAL EVEN!!! better than kate or filmen or MR JOHN---and the Chinese paid the bill !!!!so far ..............................................

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    SG
    - September 16, 2011 at 10:05:29

    Why does Mr. Ryan think we need Prof. Peter's perspective on all issues regarding Island Politics? Given this Headline why would Prof. Peter be able to predict the effect of the PNP Investigation anymore than I would? Personally I'm not interested in Prof. Peter's "views" or "perspectives'" I would prefer to hear Islanders' views and perspectives as I feel they likely know more about and are more in tune with our Political Parties and Leaders in all aspects.

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    Former Member
    - September 16, 2011 at 10:04:09

    Regarding Mr. McKenna's statement: McKenna said the RCMP doesn’t always make investigations public and he wondered why the PNP investigation was during an election campaign. “They’re not supposed to be interceding in political affairs,” he said. ------- Either Mr. McKenna hasn't done his homework on RCMP procedure, or he is suggesting an untruth for political reasons. The fact is, the RCMP are damned if they do and damned if they don't in these type of situations. If they sat on the allegations until after the election they could be accused (as Mr. McKenna suggests) of interceding in political affairs. By proceeding with the investigation right away they are treating the file like any other, which is the correct procedure. I should know, I'm a former member. Hope that helps.

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    Debbie Smith
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:42:52

    Perhaps this article should have been prefaced with "This article was approved by the Official Agent for the Liberal Party of Prince Edward Island". It was interesting to watch Robert Ghiz accuse the Federal Conservative government of political meddling yesterday. He needs to keep in mind that it is that same Federal government that transferred over $638 million dollars to Prince Edward Island last year, and yet, his Treasurer was still unable to balance his budget. If Ottawa should elect to cut back transfers even further, all Islanders will suffer.

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  • Username
    T-R-A-N-S-P-A-R-E-N-C-Y
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:40:59

    ISLANDERS JUST WANT TRANSPARENCY... Can you HEAR me Mr. Ghiz??? =--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I would think that, IF you had NOTHING TO HIDE, that you would THROW THE BOOKS WIDE OPEN on this and put the issue to bed once and for all. Yes, we are sick and tired of hearing about PNP... we just want the truth.

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  • Username
    Don Wright
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:40:09

    Tell me Professor.. why is 500 million dollars given to an Obama backed company that he touted as ' the future of creating jobs'..and then the company declares bankruptcy ... and the Congress and the FBI are looking into it this very day..differnt than Fiver Hundred Million dollars mismanaged and allocated to insiders and cronies of Liberals and elites? Tell us Teach...

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    Marie
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:12:06

    PNP.......................PayPal, New People. Flogging a dead horse, ONLY because taxpayers want answers and the choosen few have NONE

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    from away
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:10:16

    This is so simple like peanut butter on toast. Follow the money, sieze the list of names that recieved PNP money, audit the list of names and the truth will come out good and bad. Lay charges and prosecute any person who abused the system to the full measure of the law that will send a dire warning to those in the future that society will not tolerate people who feel they are above consequence of their actions.

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    GreasyWheel
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:09:35

    http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/Employment/2009-01-05/article-1373987/PNP-directors-got-bonuses-of-19000/1

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  • Username
    NO DEAD HORSE HERE
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:08:46

    What? Hold off an investigation of theft, unfair privileged monopoly and corruption until after an election? That would mean more corrupt practices. People can see through the Liberal antics and will prove it at the polls. The PNP horse is alive and well.

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    Sylvia
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:08:28

    I'm not tired of hearing about PNP and I'd like the truth to come out. Who got the money and how much did they get? I wrote to Fifth Estate a long time ago and asked them to do an investigative report on PNP but never received a reply. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't want the truth to come out must have something to hide or they have a friend in high places who has something to hide.

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    supermanclark
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:07:10

    Timing is suspect for certain - but I also suspect most welcome an investigation - both to clear the name of those who did not receive units or did no wrong, and to finger out those who were unfairly or fraudulently dipping, receiving, mispending, and distributing monies.

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    Garth Staples
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:06:03

    The professor must be suffering from frostbite during his trip north. His objectivity has been numbed!

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    Behind The Plow
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:05:44

    The View from Here.........................Here we go again PNP " Is it wrong doing or not" that is the question............... 1. If so legal charges should be laid against all who have done fraud related goings on................ 2. It is not about " Political timing " , who said what, which news paper said what, cronies , friends in Harperville............or any of the non-facts in MacKenna's article..............When will we get it right............. 3. ., copied interesting comment from Face Book " But if this PNP new information is the " Real Meal Deal " then stop the Election Process and charge the lot of them.........regardless Liberal or Conservative........We do not require crooked and lying politicans to lead in the next election in October.............Is Their Anyone Honest Brokers out there.......??? 4. If its about Power, Greed, Manipulation and Control, Overt Trough Feeding then the " Fraud will come out".............I for one am sick and tired of all the " Inuendo " it would be a sad commentary if " Our Legal system is implicated somewhere on PEI " and if so who would be honest and accountable for wrong doing.......... 5. We need to " Focus on the Issues " and get to the facts of the matter, once and for all.........

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    Scott C from Vancouver
    - September 16, 2011 at 09:04:50

    I am writing this for a friend. He has been lied to cheated and is now being forced to leave the province by your current government. I grew up in Ch'town and know many of these politicians. For the past 3 years while visiting PEI, I listened to my buddy and really couldn't believe what he was saying. Wayne, I'm sorry and go public! Doug, you should not have "Towed the line" you aren't the type. (At least I thought you weren't)

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  • Username
    moneyfromheaven
    - September 16, 2011 at 01:26:13

    My apologies in advance but "the nutty professor" came to mind after reading this article. He didn't have to paint his allegiance so thick as to come off sounding completely ridiculous. C'mon, a half a billion dollar scandal with police and border agencies now involved is a "bump along the road" and a "dead horse"? Surely he was just being sarcastic.

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  • Username
    David
    - September 16, 2011 at 01:25:50

    PNP affair should be renamed OCD affair, I mean wow, get over it people paranoia is rampant. I'm not into politics but you can tell who is this has nothing to do with anything other than trying to make your "team" win.

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  • Username
    This Prof
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:02:06

    This professor is off his rocker if he doesn't think this is a big deal.

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    mceachern
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:01:54

    As the story develops and as the good professors try and get both feet in their mouths at the same time, more critical facts become obvious. After a day or two of investigations, evidence will surface and it will be quite obvious. You cannot sweep 540 million under the rug and try and ignore it. There is a big mound in the middle of the room. You all heard about the emperor with no clothes, he had a poli sci and an economics prof as key trusted advisors.

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    OneProudeIslander Less and Less
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:01:36

    “They’re not supposed to be interceding in political affairs,”If only this was true of you also McKenna..Not voting for either Lib nor Con,s ,,,Oh wait maybe these parties should change their names ...Liberals to Con,s. And you McKenna are not fit to be called an Islander with your comments.He (McKenna) also said most Islanders have already made up their mind as to what they think about the PNP and some people are tired of hearing about it.Now we want the truth.

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  • Username
    Is this guy for real
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:01:28

    Unbeleiveable that he can ask if it can be linked to the Ghiz government...who else was in charge of the acceleration of the PNP when it was being cancelled by the federal government? Pretty sure that the link is there for all to see. How does a rebuttal to the Globe and Mail story be written and show up on this website within hours of the original story without some bias? Just frustrated in general by politics and politicians....trust is at an all time low for any and all parties. I hope that whomever wins, there is a fair balance in the house so that members of both parties can lose their neophyte status and gain the experience necessary to run

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    Interesting
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:01:08

    Since when PNP has become a "dead hoarse" issue? At ain't that easy to sweep hundreds of millions of "mismanagement" under the rug...

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    upwest proud
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:00:56

    I follow the Guardian website a bit and I can't remember when a story received over 8000 views, this McKenna is proving to be like most academics, they know the theory but have no idea how it really works!!!!

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      wow
      - September 16, 2011 at 09:02:11

      Geez.... you sound like ya knows it all. First stop Oleary ELementary, next stop Harvard. You should be teaching all of us with your wonderful knowledge, oh great savant.

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    Mean Olive
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:00:47

    It looks to me that sweet little innocent dirt road Olive has a mean streak in her.

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    farmers
    - September 16, 2011 at 00:00:13

    What, voters will make up their own minds? After reading all this biased crap?? The arrogance of these observations by this individual provide ample evidence that some courses are taught by absolute fools.

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    eyes raised
    - September 15, 2011 at 23:57:40

    The RCMP did not say aword ..the complainants came to them with TV cameras in tow.. they did NOT make it public........ as to why now..the PNP file is of great interest to a majority of islanders of all political stripes.......a 400 million dollar fraud and bribery case on an island with 143,000people....is big news here....even I do not need a PHD to know that........

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    Wilkins Micawber
    - September 15, 2011 at 23:56:12

    It is a bit strange is it not that the RCMP, supposedly arms length from the government, is again interfering in an election in which the Liberals are the government? Their unprecedented interference brought down the Paul Martin government to help their Tory friends and it appears they are doing it again to help Olive Crane. She can fein ignorance, but how did she know of The Globe story in time to mention it in an ad in The Guardian Thursday, the same day it ran in The Globe? An ad for the Guardian would have to be submitted several days before it was to run. That means she must have known about the story and allegations several days beforehand. Olive Crane seems to be getting help from her friends in the Harper government, judging by the tone of her negative ad campaign, as well as the RCMP.

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      Robdoestheperpwalk
      - September 16, 2011 at 01:26:32

      Is McKenna a lieberal strategist or just the garden variety idiot? Either way why does the Guardian think we care about what he has to say?

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      RCMP
      - September 16, 2011 at 09:06:51

      The RCMP brass really showed their true colors when they decided for the first time to become bouncers at PC rallies. Yes, the Canadian police force has a political bias and that is very dangerous.

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