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Act changes definition of 'spouse' to recognize same-sex marriage 
The Guardian
Sweeping changes that will forever redefine the definition of “spouse” has finally made its way to the P.E.I. legislature.
The Domestic Relations Act will change the definition of “spouse” to recognize same-sex marriages in 60 pieces of legislation.
Prince Edward Island is the last province in Canada to make the changes, which will bring the Island’s laws in line with a July 2005 bill passed by the House of Commons legalizing same-sex marriage in all 10 provinces and three territories.
The bill will also clarify same-sex couples’ rights to adopt by changing the Adoption Act. The words “married couple” will be changed to “spouses” to include same-sex and common-law spouses.
The Consent to Treatment and Health Care Directives Act is also being redefined to recognize same-sex and common-law relationships. That law outlines who can make decisions for somebody who is in hospital and unable to make treatment decisions for themselves.
There will also be changes to the Marriage Act, although the changes allowing for same-sex marriage were made in November 2005 in P.E.I.
Attorney General Gerard Greenan says the omnibus bill will provide for a unified and consistent definition of “spouse.” He said the changes took time, mainly because of the scope of the work.
“Honestly, it certainly was a task,” Greenan told The Guardian. “It took seven months to put this bill into place.”
The former Progressive Conservative administration had been promising since July 2005 to make the changes but those changes were slow coming.
In an interview in August 2006 then Attorney General Mildred Dover blamed a lack of resources in getting the omnibus bill ready for the legislature.
“We are aware of it, we work at it when we can,” Dover said in a story published Aug. 19, 2006.
But the Liberals pushed athe bill through first, second and third reading Tuesday, with the full co-operation of the Opposition Conservatives.
That means the bill has cleared the house and will become law within days.
Jim Culbert, who operates Rainbow Lodge, a gay bed and breakfast in Vernon Bridge, welcomed the changes.
The lodge, painted in the colours of the rainbow, has been home to a series of same-sex weddings, including the first-ever legal same-sex marriage in August 2005.
Culbert said the changes pertaining to Consent to Treatment and Health Care Directives Act are particularly important. He said he surveyed Island hospitals about the rights of same-sex couples. The rural hospitals said same-sex couples would have equal rights but he could not get those same assurances from the Island’s largest hospital, the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Charlottetown.
This law will now clarify that.
“Friends of ours went to Florida, took the marriage licence, took their power of attorneys and everything, he had a stroke and lay on life support and his married partner had no say in anything,” Culbert said.
“That always concerned me that that could happen here.”
Premier Robert Ghiz said the bill brings P.E.I.’s laws in line with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
“We want to make sure we’re respecting the rights of all individuals,” he said.
Greenan said the bill doesn’t take rights away from anybody.
“It just allows people who are in a same-gender relationship, a marriage, the same rights as opposition-gender marriage,” he said.
Just the facts:
Gay rights in P.E.I.
– May 2008, omnibus bill tabled in the P.E.I. legislature, changing the word spouse in more than 60 pieces of legislation;
– November 2005, P.E.I.’s Marriage Act is amended to allow same-sex marriages, but the government said there would have to be amendments to dozens of pieces of legislation where marriage and family are defined specifically as heterosexual unions;
– August 2005, the first gay marriage is performed on P.E.I., with Californians Dr. Chris Zarow and Constance Majeau being pronounced “married partners in life” by Rev. Barry King;
– July 20, 2005, the law legalizing same-sex marriage in all 10 provinces and three territories is proclaimed, but P.E.I. government officials said the paperwork isn’t done, which causes a further delay here.
– February 2005, Parliament tabled its same-sex marriage bill. The bill granted marriage to gay and lesbian couples across the country.
– June 2003, in an historic judgment, the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled that existing common-law definition of marriage violates a couple’s rights on the basis of sexual orientation under the Charter of Rights, and the right to marry should be extended to same-sex couples. The court gave the federal government two years to revamp its laws, in effect clearing the way for same-sex marriage.
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Lester Mullaly from Charlottetown, PE writes: Next stop, polygamy. Or I hope so anyway.
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Matthew Wilson from Charlottetown, PE writes: There was an old fellow of Lyme
Who lived with three wives at one time.
When asked, 'Why the third?'
He replied, 'One’s absurd,
and bigamy, sir, is a crime.'
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shawn worth from burnaby, b.c writes: All l can say , it about bloody time. Good for the lsland and it will be good for tourism. Now l will not be afraid to walk in the Proud Parade in Charlottetown and of anybody doesn't like it, to bad.
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shawn worth from burnaby, b.c writes: By what the government doing what they did , legalizing same-sex and common-law marrige is showing the rest of the world that P.E.I has finnally grown up.
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JoAnne from Ontario writes: I am coming to the Island on Saturday for a two week vacation.
Glad to know if my sweetie and I run into 'troubles' we are recognized as a couple! Yeah PEI
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Heather from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Abomination? Explain it to your children without bigotry. This straight mom will. This is about equality. Congratulations PEI MLA's. Finally PEI will be where the whole world should be.
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Jim from P.e.i. writes: WOW!Wtg P.e.i. ---we finally grew up. Love is love no matter where we find it. What ever happened to each his own? It shouldn't matter to anyone who anyones spouce or partner is or what gender. You live your life and let everyone else live theirs. As for explaining it to kids.--Kids learn more now then we ever knew . You never know it could be your child someday!! Good luck to all the couples on P.E.I. and other provinces who have chosen the way old age society doesnt like
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Peter from PEI writes: When a gay couple can *produce* children as can a hetero couple, (barring medical problems), then maybe I'll consider them equal.
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Matthew from Cornwall, PE writes: Peter from PEI writes: When a gay couple can *produce* children as can a hetero couple, (barring medical problems), then maybe I'll consider them equal.
Right, Peter... there are just not enough children in the world...
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Pretty Dumb, Peter from New Brunswick writes: Hey Peter, based on your flawed logic, would heterosexual couples who are unable to conceive not be equal either?
What a ridiculous assertion!
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Peter from PEI writes: to Pretty Dumb ... You chose a good name... now read the whole post... (barring medical problems) ... and it has nothing to do with logic, nor is it an assertion!
It's my *right* to believe what I like!
Now it seems, my right to have a wife is being taken away from me.
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Don't believe the hype from PE writes: To Peter: You do have a right to believe what you like, but could you explain how your right to have a wife is being taken away from you. As I read, this story is about other 'non-traditional' couples getting certian rights. I don't see anything in this story which suggest you, or for that matter, I won't have the right to marry a woman and call her a wife (or whatever she lets me call her) . Please provide some clarification.
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Don McGee from Chtown, PE writes: I want to comment on this loaded issue... but don't know where to begin. Firstly, if it is about love, then fine. I mean, 50% of straight marriages end in divorce anyway so what is the big deal if someone wants to marry a person of the same sex? Religious arguments don't hold up either because we are a secular society now... most persons in this country do not believe God is going to curse this country for going against the Old Testament because most people in this country, I would like to think, don't believe in fairy tales.
If you are a religious person who wants to see more God in society, then move to the Middle East, there is plenty of God to go around there for everyone!
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what? from PEI writes: To Peter: You are right it is your right to believe what ever you like, as it is our right to have an open mind and accept people and there lifestyles.....*just a tid bit...Gay couples produce children all the time, this is what serigate mothers are for, and sperm donors, and they also adopt from broken homes. They are better parents then most Hetero couples... you never hear about the homosexual couple beating their kids!!! now do you??? what are you talking about when you say it seems your right to have a wife is being taken away from you??? please explain.....
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moi from pei writes: if we have a right to believe what we want to believe..we must have the right to believe the homosexual lifestyle is wrong...to have beliefs does not make you a bigot... and it does not mean hating gay people... it just does not follow what gods word says..
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Don McGee from Chtown, PE writes: Moi, I think we tried living under 'God's Word' at one time, it was called THE DARK AGES.
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Tom O from Stratford, PE writes: DEAR LYNN ROGERS
You could start by explaining to your children that it's 2008, not 1850, and love comes in more than one form. Move into the 21st century. Society is changing, for the better.
As a Roman Cathlic heterosexual male, I'm extremely impressed with the Ghiz government's decision. Definitely a step forward for PEI.
Keep it up!
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So Happy I am one from pei writes: I am so glad this has happened, I am a homo(sexual), and I have been with my lover for 18 years...Longer than most straight marriages.
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Deb just back from PEI from NS writes: To Shawn from Burnaby: PEI hasn't grown up by following the sick morals of the rest of the country. A government can be lobbied to change the law on marriage, but God's law still stands, a marriage is between a man and woman only. It's a sacrament, a blessing and it is being defiled. The whole world is going down in the gutter similar to Sodom and Gamorrah. The only reason so many people are disgusted with this is that why do we care how they live or who they live with, but we are being forced to perhaps accept it or maybe even condone it which really isn't going to happen for most people. Laws can be made, but not necessarily agreed to by the majority of people. It's really sad when the type of sexual activity is actually used in the name of equality. Smokers should be equal before the law, but are not to date.
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Ivan from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Deb - People suffer from second hand smoke. I don't think anyone's ever been affected by second hand homosexuality.
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What??? from Charlottetown, PEI writes: To Deb:
Are you serious?? Do people like you still exist? What a poor reflection of our cultural mosaic you are.
But what's the point? People will believe what they want to believe, and that's something this law will ever change. I am glad (albeit a little embarrased that we're the last province to do it) that we now have laws reflecting the modern nature of our society.
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A from PEI writes: Heterosexual, homosexual - whatever we call ourselves is not really the issue here. The issue is a much bigger picture, I would like to introduce you to a society where everything and anything goes - where the most people are adapting an 'if it feels good do it' mentallity. A society where money is valued above children and children at the same time are not parented but given the moon if they ask for it. A society where sex without committment in any context - except with children (and that is becoming blurred - 14 is now the age of consent - what then 12, 10, 9...) is considered to be fine in the interest of individual rights. A society where morality and family (in the traditional sense) are not valued and in some cases are scorned. Where religion has overcome relationship with God and that religion 'adapts' to changing times. Welcome to New Rome.... Do you remember what happened to Rome? A society that walks away from morality, family and God eventually implodes - eventually we will destroy ourselves, not because of homosexual marriages, but because of our lack of committment to the matters of right and wrong - truth and untruth. We refuse to deny ourselves anything and so we will eventually be denied everything.
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what? from PEI writes: Religion is the one thing behind anything bad that happens.....thats what I believe...do you not think that priests fondleing little boys is wrong??? answer me that...God does not exist, and I for one am not going to waste my time beliving it something fake. And I find it odd that people feel the need to push thier religion on others, now that really grinds my gears! and that my friends is my 2 cents! IMO... I have relatives who are gay and I will defend thier right to do as they please, and yes ladies and gentleman it is thier right!
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Old Islander from PEI writes: This is why canned pop was a must. So we can start having real debates on this website.
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To Moi from PEI writes: I agree with you! I don't hate anyone.
Do I have the right to believe what I wish? Do I condem others for their beliefs, NO. I just don't agree that it's fair for others to tell me what to believe. I can feel that homosexuality is wrong...........................this is where small minded people call names and attack persons (see above). I DO NOT however feel I have the right to attack or hate people that make this choice. It's a two way street. I don't hate and call names and in return some of you may want to learn to show the same respect to fellow humans. I'm sure there are alot of things in this world of ours we could find to disagree on.....................should we hate each other, call names? No! But should we all have the right to believe what we want and be able to say so...................I mean honestly I have NO harsh feelings, just have a belief that I have a right to have.
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Ivan from Charlottetown, PEI writes: To A from PEI - Didn't Rome collapse after embracing God? It was pretty succesful when it had it's pagan gods and orgies and indulgence.
The age of consent has just increased.
Be careful you don't fall off that high horse. Have you tried embracing life, your life instead of condemning the world around you. Society evolves, whether for the better or worse, otherwise we would still be living in caves.
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Ivan from Charlottetown, PEI writes: To Moi.
Being gay is not a choice - it is the way God made some people.
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A point to be made from PEI writes: A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As
the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They
talked about so many things and various subjects.
When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber
said: 'I don't believe that God exists.'
'Why do you say that?' asked the customer.
'Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't
exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would
there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be
neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would
allow all of these things.'
The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want
to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the
shop.
Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long,
stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt. The
customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the
barber: 'You know what? Barbers do not exist.'
'How can you say that?' asked the surprised barber. 'I am here,
and I am a
barber. And I just worked on you!'
'No!' the customer exclaimed. 'Barbers don't exist because if they did,
there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like
that man outside.'
'Ah, but barbers DO exist! That's what happens when people do not come to
me.'
'Exactly!' affirmed the customer. 'That's the point! God, too, DOES exist!
That's what happens when people do not go to Him and don't look to Him for
help. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world.'
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Don McGee from Chtown, PE writes: I don't believe Religion had anything to do with Rome's collapse.
Rome collapsed because it had gotten so use to its position of power and authority that it developed an air of invincibility. This in turn blinded it to the threats of the barbarians, be they Germans or Huns, who envied Rome's power and wanted it for their own. This is a lesson to the west and the current barbarians we have in our midst.
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Don McGee from Chtown, PE writes: point to be made.... that is a good story but you cannot make the point God exists through that. People suffering has nothing to do with God. Many people in this world, particularly the Third World, believe in your God and suffer.
A better argument would be the chicken and egg argument. At some point, something had to create either the chicken or the egg.
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what? from PEI writes: Nice story, but I can never be convinced....I believe in science and reality. The point is that metophorical heaven and hell are just the life we make here on earth not actual places.IMO In other words none of it makes sense( The Bible)...that is what I believe. So If god created everything, why would god make people gay if it is truly not what he intended??? Hey I think it is great that folks believe in God, different folks different strokes!!! and thid goies for those who are homosexual.
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Parent of Two from ontario writes: A point to be made....So you are telling me that a child suffering with leukemia or other fatal diseases, all the millions of people suffering in the earthquakes in China right now, or dying in Burma are all dying directly/indirectly because they (or thier parents in the case if children) did not GO TO GOD!!!!!!!!
If that's the case, I am GLAD I don't believe in your god !!!!!
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Frank displaced islander from Toronto, Ont writes: Comment removed WHY???????
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TA from pei writes: For all of you that will quote the Bible and God's word to justify your bigotry, have a look at what evil has been done in this world in the name of God. Done by people like you that judge and condemn instead of leaving the judging to God. My God is a loving being that does not punish for acts that we as mere mortals believe are sins....Don't reduce all relationships to sexual acts. This is an issue of equality not sexuality. Unless a gay person is hitting on you, what impact does a gay person have on your life? Have you ever considered how many people that you admire in politics, in the arts, in literature, in science are actually gay. I have known too many people that espouse, Thou shalt, and Thou shalt not, that have turned out to be child abusers, wife abusers and the most selfish men that ever walked the earth. What right does anyone have to judge another human being? What right do you have to cause so much pain to another human being in the name of God? I would welcome an enlightened gay person at my table over a bigot anytime.
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Milt from PEI writes: Don McGee,
Stongly disagree with this comment:
'most persons in this country do not believe God '
You have numbers to back that up?
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Peter from PEI writes: to Don't believe the hype: I didn't say I won't have the right to marry a woman, I said my right to have a wife was being taken away. Not the same thing!
Wife always has and always will denote *female*, just as Husband always has and always will denote *Male* ... but now I have to have a *spouse*. Why? Because [some] Gays don't like the terms *Husband and Wife*.
Then there's the *equality* factor ... A gay or lesbian can accompany his/her spouse to the washroom facilities in a restaurant ... Can I?
Can you imagine the uproar and todo (and probable charges) if a *Husband* accompanied his *wife* to the rest room, or a *Wife* accompanied her *Husband* to the rest room?
So where's my right to equality? Us straights don't have all the same rights as gays and lesbians ... do we?
The way I see it, I don't bother them without it, they don't bother me with it, we'll get along fine ... but this bothers me.
Incidentally, some of my friends are gays and lesbians, they accept me as I am, I accept them as they are, and we do get along fine.
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A from PEI writes: Ivan, You need to brush up on your Roman history.
'Didn't Rome collapse after embracing God? It was pretty succesful when it had it's pagan gods and orgies and indulgence.'
Rome's so called success was based as I said on a 'do what feels good theory'. This was challenged by the introduction of Christianity into the mix. The interesting thing is that Rome never embraced God, they took on another religion. You are right religion condemns, God loves. Does this mean that everything we choose is okay and that we can live however we choose, not necessarily. We can choose, that is how we were made, but we need to realize that some choices we make as a person and as a society are condemning choices. There is a way that seems right but the end is destruction.
I am not on a high horse, and I love my life (You seem really angry, you shoud talk to someone about that). I do fear for the future however, as I watch the moral and ethical decline of our society. I am not perfect or even close, I am however forgiven and for that I am grateful. You are right society evolves for better or for worse, right now I believe it is for worse. But I digress, the main point is if we do not preserve the family we walk a slippery slope and I am afraid that for many reasons we are sliding.
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Ivan from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Don wrote: current barbarians in our midst.
Just who exactly are you talking about here?
Something had to create the chicken or the egg? So, something had to create homosexuality, right?
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Don McGee from Chtown, PE writes: Milt, read what I actually put:
....most persons in this country do not believe God is going to curse this country for going against the Old Testament because most people in this country, I would like to think, don't believe in fairy tales.
I believe in God, I just think it is personal, not something to dictate how society is run.
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A from PEI writes: For Ivan,
But the decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the causes of destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time or accident had removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric yielded to the pressure of its own weight.... The victorious legions, who, in distant wars, acquired the vices of strangers and mercenaries, first oppressed the freedom of the republic, and afterwards violated the majesty of the purple. The emperors, anxious for their personal safety and the public peace, were reduced to the base expedient of corrupting the discipline which rendered them alike formidable to their sovereign and to the enemy; the vigour of the military government was relaxed, and finally dissolved, by the partial institutions of Constantine; and the Roman world was overwhelmed by a deluge of Barbarians.
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A from PEI writes: And More...
Decline in Morals and Values
Those morals and values that kept together the Roman legions and thus the empire could not be maintained towards the end of the empire. Crimes of violence made the streets of the larger cities unsafe. Even during PaxRomana there were 32,000 prostitutes in Rome. The acceptance of sexual feel good freedom, became more and more rampant, to the point where children were looked at as sexual beings. Emperors like Nero and Caligula became infamous for wasting money on lavish parties where guests ate and drank until they became ill.(Sound familiar) The most popular amusement was watching the gladiatorial combats in the Colosseum. These were attended by the poor, the rich, and frequently the emperor himself. As gladiators fought, vicious cries and curses were heard from the audience. (Not so different from movie theatres, do you think. oh that's right we are more civilized we don't actually kill people - we just pretend to)
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Ivan from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Don: Your comment calling Islamist extremists barbarians was removed, I think. Can't think why.
How do you feel about Christian extremists, out of interest?
A from PEI: Well, I guess it was good that they had one god left instead of the several they had when growing. Do you ever think about the past religions that have all but disappeared and wonder if it could ever happen to Chritianity, Judeaism, Islam, Hinduism etc etc?
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Ivan from Charlottetown, PEI writes: A from PEI: I do not think that we are more civilised, as a species. However, what drives us to be like that? Why were we created, if we were, to have these blood lust desires, adverse sexual drives etc? Seems to me that the intelligent design is slightly flawed.
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the eagle from PE writes: a point to be made...It is not God who causes the suffering but man himself. The greed and power of this world is causing the millions to suffer. The use of chemicals petroleum and blasting the earth to find these commodities is what is causing the earthquakes and disease.
We have the means to help one another but some countries care little for their people because they want that money to make them rich and powerful above other countries. They help only those who will protect them and their empire.
To the Libreal government of the day I congratulate them on finalizing this legislation. Hetersexual or, homosexual we all have children. Maybe now there won't be so many divorces. The statistics of marriage gone wrong because one partner was homosexual and they tried to go straight is a very high percentage. Common law relationships had the same problems as gay couples . They were frown upon for years. Now that the laws are made equal for all the court system will be less tied up and money wasted. Now if the governments would all get together and make some realistic changes to the Young Offenders Act, and disclose names etc. of young people who commit a crime betweeen 14-17 . They have consent I understand to have sex but we must protect their identity if they do a crime whether they are hetersexual or , homosexual. But it is illegal to drive a car until you are sixteen , illegal to drink or smoke untill you are nineteen. I ask did God do this or man? God in his infinite love will never leave you nor forsake you, but he does not make human laws , man does.
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c.a. from pei writes: So Tommy from Alberta, us easterners have a bad name out there, what would that name be Good Workers , if it wasn't for us easterners you wouldn't be the richest province in Canada, if you took all the easterners out of your oil camps, you wouldn't be producing the oil that is making you a rich province. As far as same sex marriages, so what, do you think for a moment that these people choose to be this way, they were born this way, they have a god given right to be happy. Some of the kindest, most honest and the best friends in the world are gay. I have some gay friends and I would do anything for them and they me. But then the world would probably be a little boring if we all thought the same way, you get these ideas from your experiences in life, I quess if you have never known a homosexual, only what you have viewed on TV, then that is what you set your views on.
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sick from the drink writes: Peter, your comments are hilarious. So your objection against gay marriage... is because you can't go into the women's washroom? Hmmm, what's going on with you Pete? And because you can't go into the women's washroom, therefore you are no longer equeal. Wow, that's insightful. It's like a whole new brand of logic. Yep, you've totally convinced me that homosexuality is wrong and that I should be able to go into women's washrooms. Come to think of it, cats are allowed to crap in my yard. Hmmm...
Man, there were more intelligent comments about canned pop.
To all those who support this decision I say make your voice heard. It is the only way PEI will ever progress. But don't bother arguing with narrow minded posters on hear. You will never convince them. Religion is about basing one's entire belief set not on facts and logic, but on unsubstantiated articles of faith. An old book says that there was a man who was the son of God. He had magical powers and was the product of a virgin birth. Some people are willing to base their life on this kind of story, and others prefer to buy into things that can be proven. But if I have learned one thing over the years, it is that one group will never convince the other that their beliefs are wrong or ridiculous. So save your energy, show your support for the ongoing secularization of society, and don't pay any attention to Pete when he sneaks into a stall in the women's washroom.
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Christopher from Charlottetown, PEI writes: The Provincial Government, Constitutionally, had to adhere to this definition. There were no major hero's here except that THIS Govt decided to finally pass this legislation. The past Govt chose not to recognize the definition and with this created a two tier, asymmetrical populous. We live in a federation where provinces are responsible to the federal government. This law was passed almost three years ago.
All of these laws protect religious institutions and views. The division of religion and state happened centuries ago and remains today. For the fatalists, relax. No gay man or woman is trying to take away a right. As a community, a right is being instilled. Let's respect each other.
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Its about love from morell, pei writes: This is a long time coming for P.E.I. We need to stop basing everything we do as a soicety on religion and the ways we were brought up. Same sex marraiges are a bonus for couple who love each other and want to commit just like anyone else, my partner and I got married last year and couldnt be any happier, and now if anything happens to me I know she has a say in what happens, thank goodness who else would know but my wife, same as any other marraige.
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Peter from PEI writes: To sick from the drink ... My name is not *Pete*, and my objection isn't against gay marriage or not being allowed to go into a women's washroom. I'm sorry you can't understand what I said.
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Frank displaced islander from Toronto, Ont writes: I cannot belive.
The comments made and left ON !!!!
My comment was removed and here
it is again.MAN I FEEL LIKE A WOMAN.
A hit song.(SOMETHING IS WRONG)...
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To Pete from Charlottetown, PEI writes: Pete , I don't think you understand what you're saying, either.
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Don't believe the hype from PE writes: Peter, I think you have a stronger desire to go to the washroom with your wife in public than I. Just Kidding.
The washrooms are not seperated husband or wife, they are seperate Male & Female. Two gay men or two gay women, despite being gay, still maintain their gender. I suspect that a gay man going to use the ladies washroom would cause the same stir and todo as you or I going to the ladies washroom. It is still a man going into a ladies washroom. And vice versa for the other gender.
And I disagree with you statement that you will have to have a spouse because gays do not like the term *husband & wife*. If it is the use of the term spouse in legislation you are opposed to, know that the legislation always used the term spouse. Nothing has changed there. What they have done, is to alter the definition of spouse to include same sex. You can and still have a wife, as do I. And, hopefully, we always will. And I must say, while I do not know too may gays, I have never heard of any of them having a problem with the term *husband and wife* as long as it is not used to restrict them from receiving benefits granted to other couples in setting such as hopitals, and with pensions and the such. Maybe the ones you know feel differently.
That being said, if you have a problem with it based on a belief system or religion or whatever, while I may not agree with you, I will defend your right to choose your beliefs.
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Sure they should marry! from PE writes: Love, any love, is ALWAYS better than hate. And, in the words of Dolly Parton, who on the Oprah show was asked what she thought of same-sex marriages... Sure, why shouldn't they suffer like the rest of us!
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just passing through from pei writes: **yawns**
Of course you can believe whatever it is you want. Belive in the Easter Bunny or Zoroaster. The law simply states that your beliefs (religious or bigotted, all the same) can't be used to justify the denial of rights to gay and lesbians.
p.s. tax the churches.
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Barb from Alberta writes: To What?
When you said that we never hear about homosexuals beating their kids, I wanted to mention that we never hear of heterosexuals beating their kids either. Some people beat their kids, they are NEVER labeled in the new like HETEROSEXUAL PARENTS BEAT THEIR KIDS. It's doesn't matter if your gay or not. Also, some in here are saying that gay marriages last longer than straight ones...probably just seems like that since there are waaaaaay more straight marriages in the world.
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Deb just back from PEI from NS writes: There wasn't anybody against the gay community accessing government programs, but when the gay community attacks a milennium old or older institution like marriage and the family, this is where the problems came in. Also, kids are becoming conditioned to believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with them experimenting in whatever way they like. A lot of people believe that marriage and the family are being torn apart by this when it would have been so much simpler if the gay community had accepted a slightly different name for their institution which would have given them equality, but not quite the controversial backlash and not the same institution. And to: Don't believe the hype, why are so many people calling their wives and husbands, partners then? I agree with a lot that A said, we should just do whatever we like with no penalties. What exactly is the difference between the gay community and the heterosexual community anyway if it has nothing to do with sex or sexual orientation?
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confused totally about this from charlottetown, pei writes: To TA from Pei, so an opinion differing from yours is bigotry but your opinion is called equal rights
To Don Magee, homosexuals believe in their way of life, I believe in mine. We all try to dictate how society is run, be it at the election poles or in powerful political positions.
To sick from the drink, when you cannot debate an issue intelligently, you resort to insulting those whose viewpoint differs from yours. Well, here's something else you can ridicule - when are we going to have a parade for straight people ? Isn't there many people out there who'd like to inform others that they are straight, wave a flag reading I am hetro Now that would be pretty danged silly, wouldn't it ?
I am a Christian and a straight woman with family who are gay and/or non-Christian. I may not believe in their beliefs but I love them and firmly believe the decisions they make are not mine to mess around with. To those who believe that if there was a God, why would he let such and such happen, I suggest you research the Christian religion. You will find that we are granted free will. The terrible events that can happen are all attributable to humanity
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my thoughts from PEI writes: I think it is stupid that this has turned into a conversation about regilion and peoples beliefs... this is just one of the reason that the kids of today don't believe in regilion - because everyone always turns every topic into a big ordeal about religion.
like it not that world and our little island is changing you can either except it, or sit here and complain about it but complaining gets you no wear.
if you ask a younger generation of people about topics like this most will say it doesn't matter either way. and thats the way it should be, if it doesn't consern you derectly and is not hurting anyone the just let it be.
I am not gay but I know a few people who are and they are great people, no differant then you, I or anyone else, they are people too!
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Sandy mackay from Hope River, PEI writes: This issue is broader than the focus of this web site. People who live together as a couple were and are untill this is passed treated differently by not having this bill - one way - pensions - if you get a pension from Gov - your spouse (have to be married) gets a % if you die but if you have a spouse and your not married - your spouse gets nothing - and you pay the same rate no matter what - Great job - Robert and Gerard - actually doing something you promised - maybe polititians can be trusted.
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pei-aca not me from pei writes: So many RED NECKS on PEI
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Ted from PEI writes: This story really brings out the homophobes. These same people would have ranted about mixed race couples a few decades ago. Some of them probably still do. You people need to ask yourselves why you are so afaid of this. Be honest with yourselves. Do not take your own psychsexual conflicts out on everyone else. If you are a closet gay then have the courage to do something about it and stop making the rest of us miserable like yourselves.
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Dick Buttkiss from Charlottetown, PE writes: I think this decision is disgusting!!!! This is going against every religion there is out there today. Nowhere in the bible does it say Adam and Steve.....it was always Adam and Eve.
The whole reason for marriage is for reproduction and 2 males or 2 females cannot reproduce together.
I have no problem with people being gay and living the way they want to, but I don't understand why they have to flaunt it and rub it in everybody's face that they are gay and get 100 year old laws changed because they think it is right. There isn't a straight parade anywhere every year to promote being straight like the gays and their gay parade!!!
Its stuff like this that makes my stomach turn. Gays can live together and be together for their whole lives and still accomplish the same things as being married. Why can't they just be happy with that??
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Wayne guindon from bc writes: Don't God get a say in this discussion... like I said before ...everyone is getting their opinion in ...including 'God bashin but the moment I quote what HE says in His word..it gets deleted...... You as the editor will give account for your reaction to God's word. I did not criticize or put down anyone... I just cited what God has long ago written for our benefit.
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Who cares from NS writes: Has anyone ever clued in that it doesn't matter about your comment, it does not sway someone else's beliefs or opinion regardless that some people feel they should write five paragraphs to explain that their opinion is right? There is no right or wrong in any story everyone has their opinion. Hey, I don't have a problem with homosexuals, just don't make-out in public, but again that is my opinion and I don't care what other people think.
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Constitutional Expert from Ottawa, Ontario writes: We live in a federation where provinces are responsible to the federal government.
Actually, the issue here is the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Ontario Supreme Court and the Supreme Court of Canada have ruled that governments (both provincial and federal) have to give same-sex couples the same rights as other couples.
If the PEI government hadn't changed these laws, any same-sex couple could have sued the provincial government and easily won their case. Almost certainly costing us a bunch of tax dollars that could be better used a million different ways.
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To Dick and Wayne from PEI writes: I agree, I agree!!
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Sam or Sam? from PEI writes: It's a Pride Parade - to show pride in what they are, after years of persecution and being told to be ashamed. That's why there is no Straight Parade - pretrty obvious, really.
Er - Wayne - can God vote?
What about this god who loves ALL his children - why can't his followers also love ALL his children. Bunch of hypocritical multi-phobes!
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Orwell's Spinning from PEI writes: It seems that what has been lost in this debate is that now common-law couples will be have the same rights and protections as couples in traditional marriages....And what exactly is a traditional marriage? Is it when two people are forced to wed for economic or social gains for their families or tribes, as was originally done in the European dark ages? Or is it when a bride's family has to pay a handsome dowry to marry their daughter off to some man she may barely know? In any case, traditionally , marriage had little if anything to do with love.
I also feel that I do not need to have some holy man/or strange justice, tell me that now I have permission to live the rest of my life with the person I love. If I don't want to join in holy matrimony/wedded bliss (which I see ruin perfectly healthy, good relationships over and over), I now know our rights as a couple are equal to those of two people trapped in a loveless hell that only brings releif when you end up six feet under.
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The Nexus from PE writes: a+a=2a
b+b=2b
a+b=c
C has always been and alway will be a+b
Believe what you will.
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That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston.... You must humble yourself before you can become sane.”
He paused for a few moments, as though to allow what he had been saying to sink in.
“Do you remember,” he went on, “writing in your diary, ‘Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make
four’?”
“Yes,” said Winston.
O’Brien held up his left hand, its back toward Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended. “How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?”
“Four.”
“And if the Party says that it is not four but five—then how many?”
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Gus in Ottawa from ON writes: it isn't a matter for organized religion or even God (however defined).
The Supreme Court of Canada decided this after courts at all levels in most provinces all decided that gay marriage was legal.
If you oppose these decisions then change the law. I suspect that Stephen Harper is waiting to hear from you -- although I doubt he will do anything.
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bible basher from PE writes: If you are referring to the bible with respect to God having his say, you must remember that the bible was not written by God. It was written by men, meaning that God said whatever they decided he said.
I believe in the existence of a higher being, but I do not believe in religion.
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just passing through, aga from PEI writes: #ick Buttkiss from Charlottetown, PE writes: I think this decision is disgusting!!!! This is going against every religion there is out there today. Nowhere in the bible does it say Adam and Steve.....it was always Adam and Eve.
That's an original saying I've *never heard before. Adam and Steve ! You're a verbal genius, Richard!
The whole reason for marriage is for reproduction and 2 males or 2 females cannot reproduce together.
Actually, marraige is for property rights and inheiritance and for legal standing. You don't need marraige to have a kid, just ovaries and a penis.
Since I am straight and married but unable to have my own children I shouldn't be able to get married? (following your logic )
I have no problem with people being gay and living the way they want to,
Good so far, but I have a feeling...
but I don't understand why they have to flaunt it and rub it in everybody's face that they are gay
You don't have a problem with people being gay, just the fact they flaunt it. To guys like you, their mere *existance* is akin to flaunting. Just like I flaunt my heteroness with a wedding ring or photo of my wife on my desk at work? Sorry, you're using the bigot's gambit of I have no problem with black people, it's n*****s I hate! .
There isn't a straight parade anywhere every year to promote being straight like the gays and their gay parade!!!
It must be very tough for you being the only straight guy in this world full of gays.
And btw, the St Paddy's Parade is a straight person's parade.
Its stuff like this that makes my stomach turn.
Then invest in Immodium. It's no longer cool to have bigotted opinions and act on them. Of course, you could always learn some tolerance or even follow the words of my favourite Jew, Judge Not Lest You Be Judged . Or is that not *convenient* for you?
Gays can live together and be together for their whole lives and still accomplish the same things as being married.
Actually, changing the tax laws and so on allows them to partake in all the legal rights and responsabilities you and I get automatically as heteros.
Why can't they just be happy with that??
Because they're only doing it to flaunt it in your face and make your stomach turn! You big silly!
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Bettu from PEI writes: It is very unfortunate that Our present premier has ok'ed this act . PEI is different. So is Alberta,BC and Ns as well the rest of our Canadian Provinces.Just because your neighbour jumps in front of a semi, does not mean you will as well.As for the selections of parteners one chooses. Thats for them to decide,but please do not put on such a big act in front of other, The only ones you should and have to convince that you are not selecting the opisite sex to share your time with is YOU. Not everybody else. And as for God in your life. Maybe you should read what * A POINT TO BE heard from PEI ...This is so true. God has made our rules to live by..They are called the
10 COMMANDMENTS... These other laws that people who are, so to speak *In Power* Are man made laws.suited for some and for election purposes mainly. Gods' Laws Rule. When you realise we are one in God. Not so self centered we only whine* ME* Have a great Day...
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T from London writes: Why can't Christians grasp the simple concept that people don't believe in their god? In the Jewish faith, eating non-Kosher food is forbidden, but they're not trying to impose their values on the rest of society. Imagine how ridiculous it would be if the government imposed such restrictions on everyone?
We live in a secular society, our government is secular. Stop trying to impose your values on the rest of us, please. Just because your god supposedly said something about it in the bible, doesn't mean the rest of society needs to abide by it.
Has the legalization of gay marriage in Canada destroyed your marriage like the opponents said it would? No. Will this legislation destroy your marriage? No. In three months everyone will have forgotten about it - business as usual.
Society is not going down the drain due to religion losing relevance. In my opinion putting a child through religious indoctrination is much more detrimental to them than allowing them to see the proper processes of democracy.
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Enough already from Stratford, PE writes: Same-Sex unions are against the word of God. But then again He doesn't exist does He?
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Interesting... from PE writes: If I don't agree with YOUR opinion, I'm a small-minded bigot. If you don't agree with MY opinion, you are another human being with a mind of your own that should be respected.
The bottom line is you can control what goes on in your house. I'm simply asking for the same respect to control what goes on in my house. As long as I have to explain things to my children that I shouldn't be FORCED to explain to them, I don't have control over what goes on in my own home.
WHY do you feel the need to FORCE others to accept, condone, believe as you believe? What are YOU afraid of?
I haven't put labels on you. How DARE you label me homophobic.
And when did it become acceptable for you to attack or judge my belief in God, my beliefs in sexuality, my way of life, or the way I raise my family? I have to accept everyone else and their ways, but they don't have to accept mine? Oh yes, that's equality. You've all made your point so well.
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Maggie from pei writes: How many people and hours and monies did it take to come up with same sex spouse especially after we're the last province and all the federal legislation has been changed. A SPOUSE is a SPOUSE and means MARRIED. Otherwise it is called a PARTNER (and that is regardless whether it is the same sex or not)!!!!!!! Therefore you have SPOUSE and COMMON-LAW PARTNER - pretty simple stuff!!!!!
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neader from PEI writes: I have been with my spouse for 14 yrs this summer. We pay or mortgage , house hold bills , proprty taxes and not to mention regular taxes . As most people know single people pay higher taxes than married couples. Should we not have the same right as a hetro couple. Paying everything the same and in most cases paying more in than a married couple. I may not have children but I do have same sex couple friends that do. I do not begrudge paying school taxes or helping kids coming around for donations. We are as normal as every one else. and we do deserve the same rights as anyone else....
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Reads other Legislation from pei writes: I think we're missing the point here. How many man hours and dollars were spent on trying to figure out how to change the Legislation after all the other provinces have changed and the federal government has changed to come up with common-law spouse? There is no such thing. A SPOUSE is MARRIED and a common-law relationship is considered as PARTNER (plain and simple) whether of the same sex or not. Check it out. Therefore the Legislation should read as Spouse/common-law partner. Plain and simple - tell me where to send my bill.
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Please think! MacKenzie from Ch'town, P.E.I. writes: I find it very sad to see how far we've fallen. There is no sense of right or wrong or what is decent or indecent etc. Just where do you draw the line when whatever feels good to you is right ? Then there is no line, everything goes, no matter how immoral, unhealthy or how many people are damaged in the process. It is a slippery downward spiral that has no end. We need to start taking a serious look at what the Lord tells us is right and wrong (we obviously need direction because when left to ourselves being the moral judges we fail miserably.) If you have any concern for what our creator says about things such as these please check out the Word of God ... You'll be eternally glad you did.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another, ... Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts . Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men commited indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Romans 1:24-27
For those who insist that God made people gay... please note above... If I am born with a tendancy to steal, I do not have the right to steal. We all have desires that are not healthy but we do not have to give into them. We have a responsibility to do what is right no matter what we crave. That is called making responsible, healthy decisions for the good of our children and society as a whole. There is no advantage to moral decay, just look at the state the world is in.
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b from charlottetown, pei writes: my wife and i have been together 8 yrs, we were married in 05, just days after it was leagal, all i have to say is love is love, who cares what body it comes in...........i belive in equal rights to all
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Mary Adams from Charlottetownm, PEI writes: I think we would all be better in a better place. If We Live and Let Live .
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