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City passes tobacco ban

Published on November 12th, 2008
Published on June 15th, 2010
Wayne Thibodeau
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Charlottetown , Iceland , Stratford

Tobacco is being banned from all indoor and outdoor recreation and sports facilities in Charlottetown.
City council approved the changes Monday night. The new policy will go into effect Jan. 1, 2009.
The changes mean it will be illegal to smoke or use spit tobacco, including snuff, chew or plug, at any of the capital city's community centres, sports fields and courts, parks and playgrounds, arenas and swimming pools.

Tobacco-free policy
The City of Charlottetown is adopting a new tobacco-free policy for indoor and outdoor recreation and sports facilities.
  • Who's affected? Participants, officials, coaches, players, parents, visitors and volunteers.
  • When does it go into effect? Jan. 1, 2009.
  • What facilities are included? All city-owned and operated indoor and outdoor facilities, including community centres, sports fields, parks and playgrounds, arenas and swimming pools.
  • Can I still buy tobacco products at city facilities? No.
  • Will the policy be reviewed? Yes. The policy will be reviewed six months after its introduction.

The city says it will not allow tobacco products to be used or sold in any of the administrative offices, club rooms, change rooms or washrooms, food courts, indoor and outdoor spectator viewing areas as well as within the perimeter of all facilities, including parking lots and grounds.
Mitchell Tweel, the councillor who pushed forward the resolution banning tobacco, says it's the right thing to do. He described it as a "progressive" step forward.
"Second-hand smoke is a major concern," said Tweel. "I think this is a huge step forward and I look forward to the co-operation of all spectators that attend all of our facilities. We ask sincerely for their co-operation."
Charlottetown joins a growing list of Island communities with similar tobacco-free policies.
The Town of Stratford was a leader in P.E.I., putting its tobacco-free policy in place Oct. 1, 2007. Summerside, Tignish and Borden-Carleton are some of the other Island communities who have adopted similar laws.
During city council Monday, Tweel was asked how the new law was going to be policed.
Tweel said the city is going to take an educational approach, as opposed to an adversarial one. He said the city will assume that somebody using tobacco where they are not supposed to be is simply unaware of the tobacco-free policy. The city will display signage where appropriate as well as support initiatives that promote awareness to the public of the dangers of tobacco products.
"People will eventually start policing it themselves," he said.
Rob Lantz, another Charlottetown city councillor, wanted to know if that means this year's Jack Frost Festival at Confederation Landing Park will be tobacco-free. He said last year he saw a handful of people smoking on the grounds and in one case blowing second-hand smoke near his children.
Lantz said that should change.
"I do recall standing around some facilities, tents, and snow sculptures at last year's Jack Frost Festival where people were standing there blowing smoke in my kids' face," said Lantz.
Tweel said Confederation Landing does fall under the new policy which means next year's Jack Frost Festival, as well as any other event held at the waterfront, will be tobacco-free.
"My answer is yes," he said. "It is a family event. Jack Frost will be tobacco-free."


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    Den
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:43:30

    Now people are quoting cigarette packs, they said this would happen in the end days. Any excuse at all to defend smoking. I'm not going to bash smokers but if not for your health, quit for your pocketbook, I really don't know how smokers can afford this habit to begin with.

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    Billy
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:41:09

    none of the thousands of studies that have been done prove that smoking extremely magnifies your risk for cancer

    Haha. Wow. Thanks for that.

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    Jean
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:35:58

    This is wonderful news! Well done Charlottetown!

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    Barry
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:35:06

    great idea to make a solid decision like that in sports facilities etc... If people don't realize the danger then you have to get a little tougher. Some people think smoking will not hurt them or anyone around them .....think again and may GOD bless

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    charlottetown
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:33:14

    i agree, Deb from NS makes smokers look like uncaring selfish brats! Alot of smokers now a days are considerate and happy to follow the regulations regarding smoking and tobacco use.

    i will say to you as well deb to please dont speak for smokers!

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    TitaniumPEI
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:33:07

    I am really getting a kick out of these new laws that are passing on anti-smoking. Where do smokers rights come into effect here. I have a news flash for all you smoker bashing people. If someone is smoking somewhere and you don't like it, walk away, walk around the person. And dont give me this crap about smoking causing cancer. You all say words like does and will . But if you look at every cigarette pack it say smoking can cause cancer they key word here people is CAN there is no proof that smoking is the cause of cancer. And here is a reality check for these anti-smoking activists. They say the sun causes skin cancer so are we gonna block out the sun. What about vehicles and all the pollution they generate that you are all sucking into your lungs, are you gonna ban vehicles. Alcohol causes cancer and has numerous damaging effects so are we gonna ban that too? You anti smoking activists make me sick, you get this idea in your heads that just because you don't like something you are do what ever it takes to make it illegal and you don't care who it effects in the process. And BTW I am a smoker and I am polite enough to go outside or walk a bit away from friends/family that don't smoke, but to tell me I can't have one outside in a parking lot or to walk away a few feet from people and have one is going to far. One day you will go to far and tick off the wrong person and a lawsuit will happen. You go on about being around smoke like if you get a single wiff of it your gonna die. Why don't you just sit there for a few moments and just think about all the toxins you suck into your lungs on a daily basis that isnt cigarette smoke. And think about the people that have never smoked a day in their life and still managed to get cancer!!

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    Josh
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:32:59

    Not sure what to think of this.. It's great to control the people who stand in front of entrances and blow smoke into the faces of people coming through, but to force people who do have the sense to move out of the way to move of the property completely is ridiculous.

    Why would the government even allow tobacco sales if they were going to restrict it's usage so much? Get this fuss overwith and ban tobacco already.

    What sort of penalties are we talking about here? how much will it cost me to have a smoke in one of these areas? If I do light up in a park is the only thing I have to worry about is someone with too much time on their hands confronting me or taking pictures of me in the act on their cellphone or something?

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    Jason
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:31:41

    Deb you are out to lunch, read your own fear mongering responses. Businesses will not close, in fact I will bet that all the non-smoking measures that have been put in place have helped to create more business. Smoking is on the way out, every response in favor of smoking is more desperate every time I read these responses, must really be making a difference now. For something that is so destructive and hazardous you would think the addicts would see the light, wait a minute it is an addiction...

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    John Law
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:30:03

    To the various smokers writing to protest:

    As you know, there are no 'smokers' rights' in Canada, so it's pointless to keep bringing up this ruse. Cases invoking the Charter of Rights for smokers have invariably failed.

    There is still inadequate recognition of the harm that the devices such as separately ventilated smoking rooms cause, particularly to the staff who have to go into them.

    And, of course, there is the false pleading which says that while smokers support non-smoking areas, let's just overlook the ones that are inconvenient personally.

    And let's not forget that any of the various exceptions sought by smokers at public facilities can cause substantial harm to those who are allergic to smoke.

    P.E.I. is a late comer to anti-smoking legislation. Most of us have memories of the insufferable conditions in public places on the Island. Not so long ago it was hard to find a restaurant that did not serve pollution as a second course with everything.

    Well, that's over and there's no going back; the tourism industry, for one, wouldn't stand for it as we all know.

    It is time for smokers to take a hard look in the mirror and see what they can do personally to stop the health plague of smoking. It's not impossible and most of us would support anti-smoking clinics and treatment paid by Medicare.

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    so apparently
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:29:06

    none of the thousands of studies that have been done prove that smoking extremely magnifies your risk for cancer and many other ailments are actually real, if you're going to listen to what these fine people above have been saying.

    laughable. how about whoever wants to or needs to smoke, they can be the ones to walk around the non-smokers, or to go out of their way to entertain their terrible habit. anyone who would rather have a smoke than take their kids to the park does not deserve to have kids. that argument is terrible.

    if any business or assocation or venue or whatever closes down because of a smoking ban, i think the clients or members of said businesses or assocations may have their ideals skewed. i'm not sure about the rest of you guys, but i do business with and take part in activities that i enjoy, not because i'm able to smoke in/around/outside of the place. yikes.

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    smoker
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:29:02

    to Deb from NS

    its people like you that give us smokers a bad name. Your ideas are twisted and selfish, and you are one of the bad apples indeed. some of your remarks are just unforgivable, to say things like there is little proof second hand smoke is dangerous! Its obscene

    please dont speak out for smokers as you embarass us.

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    island tam
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:28:45

    This is great! Smoking doesn't belong in places that support physical fitness. Smokers are a dying breed anyway.

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    Reformed Smoker
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:27:14

    I agree with wide belly!
    Smoking should be banned completely!
    Non-smokers should not breathe in the foul smell of people that smoke. If you want to smoke, smoke in your own cars, or in your own homes.

    I also think Tim Horton's should be ashamed to let people smoke in front of their business on Kent St. I will never enter their business. I have seen smokers gather up, cigarette butts that others did not finish, and smoke them.
    Not is this only embarrassing, but disgusting!
    I cannot think of anyone out there today, that should be proud that they are a smoker. I am proud that I had quit!

    So suck it up!! There will be more and more laws against smokers. I totally agree with the laws, just go to the the cancer unit at the QEH and see how attractive having cancer is!

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    HIM
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:25:37

    Hey the goverment is taking this in the wrong approce. I have one thing to say about this. To some religions tobacco itself is a way of life there religion. I am a native american and to me the tobacco is very sacred and if anyone tells me to butt it out ill call religious prosection(SP?). This is ridiclous on all levels. Thats all

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    Margaret
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:17:59

    I was fortunately able to quit smoking 13 years ago but...I have to agree with those who do smoke. It is really getting out of hand as far as setting all these rules to a product that is legal to buy!! I think that if all smokers followed the rules , it still wouldn't stop...they would still have something to complain about. Stand up for your rights as you do pay taxes as well as everyone else!!

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    the eagle
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:15:54

    I hope this means the CDPEC. The users of the casino use the outside doorway of the Sporting facility where many people enjoy Harness Racing. The smokers don't go 15 ft. away from the facility , they huddle under the overtures of the Entertainment Centre on windy and cold and snowy and rainy days. If they are allowed to smoke at all on the premises of this facility may I suggest it be 50 ft. afterall the outside beer tents or open spaces that serve liquour are and should fall under the restaurant & bar facilities that will be closed.

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    RG
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:14:11

    I'm not a smoker and hate being around somebody smoking, but I think they're going too far with this stuff.

    Most people I know that smoke have the decency to go to an isolated area where they won't be bothering the non-smokers. Isn't that enough?

    Yes, there are some smokers who don't have the decency to do that, but as with anything else, there will always be a few bad apples.
    Why not just leave the regulations that they have to go x distance from the public area and punish those who don't? They're not harming anybody if they're away from everybody else.

    Our province seems to think that the best thing to do is always just give the complainers what they want. Well here's a news flash. Giving them what they want takes away from others and these others are taxpayers and voters too.

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    smoker
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:12:56

    If they the gov't wants everything smoke free than why don't they start supplying us smokers with the products for free to quit? and how come they don't ban alchol from certain events as well??? ahh that's right they like to have their drink while at certain events.... they only take away things that doesn't impact them in anyway shape or form!!!

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    Deb
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:11:38

    You can't legislate intelligence and common sense into people.
    - Will Rogers
    Watch and see how much money you will lose at sports events and family events, not only from the economy, but now the smoking bans. You probably won't be told until you hear yourself that this place and that place are closing down for good. Parents, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, grandmothers, grandfathers and your friends are also smokers just in case you don't have that information. Even the President-elect smokes. The law states that they will even allow people to police themselves, family members, friends, their own children telling on the smoker, how sad. If the government and politicians would only think as hard on really important issues, i.e. poverty, homelessness, education, criminal issues, etc. in their cities and towns instead of a ridiculous law which does not and will not help anyone and may, indeed, hurt people. Some headlines from Canada and elsewhere covering the harm these bans are doing: Ban Damage Hurts Everyone
    CO: 62 lose jobs as the Wild Horse Casino closes down.
    IL: Smoker is found fatally shot after leaving bar.
    Canada: Bar gunplay inside kills innocent smoker outside.
    Malaysia: Couple beaten to death in bizarre quit-smoking ritual.
    UK: Cadet Stabbing when boys go outside to smoke.
    Smokers will not be forced to go a mile away for a cigarette, they will not go and spend their money on restaurants, bars, where they are not even welcome. I would still like to see the scientific data on secondhand smoke, not just figures thrown out wily nily, one day it's 1000, next month it's 3000, next it's 2500, get real. There is no way for them to prove their so called facts on secondhand smoke. If these numbers are not fictional, prove it. No wonder the tobacco farmers are going out of business, what with the bans, the taxes, hiding the products, sellers telling the buyers that they can't even tell them what they stock, huge statements on the packages, ugly pictures, etc. Please don't tell me and the other smokers plus the businesses that this is a free country, that we have rights (which ones?) (just some?) and freedom?? Anti's are proving that they are naive, uneducated and dictatorial. It will be their turn soon, but we can't really be happy about that, can we?

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    bryan
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:09:05

    banning tobacco around all those areas is a great idea, but dont forget smokers have a right also as long as you dont try to bann it on the streets because you will lose that fight,because tha last time i checked this is a free country and we have rights also.

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    PFA
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:08:13

    First, this is a great change to city policy. Nobody should be involuntarily subjected to cancer causing and/or noxious fumes. (Really, if it was asbestos they were blowing around, would we even question whether or not it should be banned?) I would like to see a defined grace period (say 6-12 months) for people to get educated about this change in policy and then start handing out fines for violations.

    Second, let's stop the piece-meal policies from city to town and make this ban on public use of tobacco products Island wide. If we are serious about the 'Green Island' mantra then tobacco use in public areas has no place. Moreover, let's discourage this slow killer and tax the heck out of tobacco products to discourage both old and new users.

    My two cents...

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    eb
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:04:56

    to chris and john the only problem that was not adressed was chewing tobacco and tobacco plugs they both cause a horrible jaw cancer that destroys the face.of the person chewing it. in california where iam from, bunch of teen- aged ball players thought it was great chewing this stuff .except one thing, they lost their face and jaws, and they ended up dead.....

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    Deb
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:04:09

    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/const_en.html

    Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

    12. Everyone has the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment.

    Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination.

    Since we are told we are in the minority perhaps minority rights might come into play also.

    Reformed smokers: I guess it's true that there is nothing worse than a reformed anything. To actually cheer other people being discriminated against and put on display, telling veterans they can't smoke in their own legions, hospital staff and employees having to go on the sidewalk, of course, that's where they leave their butts instead of putting them out in ashtrays in a smoking room, telling customers and staff of restaurants and bars who all smoke that they can't, well, dictators who are not teamplayers, will keep budding into others business and one day the table will turn on you and we, the smokers, will not cheer.

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    Tired
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:04:00

    I am so tired of people jumping on the ban-wagon just to try and gain a few political points. Careful Mr. Tweel and Mr. Lantz, smokers vote too...

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    Chris
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:01:32

    As much as I am a fan of not smoking in other peoples faces... I cannot understand the snuff,chew or plug ban... I mean really, what are the dangers of second hand chewing? Are they afraid people are spitting tobacco right into others mouths?
    May as well ban the nicotine patch while they are at it.

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    WIDE BELLY
    - June 21st, 2010 at 20:01:03

    Just what rights are the smokers supposed to stand up for? Is it the right to make me, a non-smoker, breathe their foul air? Is it the right to make their kids breathe their smoke or is it the right for them to stand if front of bars, restaurants or rinks like the Civic Centre puffing on cigarettes and making people entering the building walk through a haze of smoke? If they demand their rights then it is mine and other non-smokers' rights to do everything in our power to stop them. I was a very heavy smoker up until 10 years ago when I quit. Yes, it was hard, but I was intelligent enough to know I was killing myself. As Dr. Gifford Jones, the Guardian columnist says, anyone who is still smoking after all the evidence proving how harmful it is needs psychiatric help. As far as I am concerned the only rights smokers have is to quit smoking.

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    enough is enough
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:57:11

    I think this smoking ban stuff has gotten way out of hand. At first smokers had their smoking sections, which is perfectly understandable. Then in some places, ventilation/isolation standards had to be met, also understandable.

    Then came the color photographs of the dangers on every pack. oh and let;s not forget that stores cannot show their displays!

    Banishing smokers to the outdoors without exception while completely ignoring reasonable solutions is where they started going overboard.

    We would think that they would be happy about this, but are they? Of course not. Now the complaining has followed the smokers outdoors. Now we are starting to hear the complaining about too close to the doors , outdoor smoking bans starting to pop up. Buffer zones... does anyone really believe that 5M from the door will be enough to satisfy the anti-tobaccoists?

    Banning smoking at beaches, parks, parking lots and even chewing tobacco?.... where will it end? Will they ever be happy? Or are they just taking baby steps to make smokers' lives as difficult as possible? So long as they don't comply?

    As the dangers of secondhand smoke has been so repeated and advertised, why is there not a peep about illegalizing tobacco? It supposedly kills everybody, so it would seem logical right? What good is pounding on smokers with excessive and ridiculous regulations going to do? Are the anti-tobaccoists going to be walking around with measuring tapes?

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    MIKE
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:55:31

    DEB

    I DONT SEE HOW LIMITING SECOND HAND SMOKE TO NON SMOKERS VIOLATES YOUR RIGHTS. YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE CHARTER IS LAUGHABLE. GRABBING AT STAWS ARE WE?

    CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT? HA!

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    what?
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:55:03

    Sweet, this is great news!! definitly a step in the right direction....I just think it is gross seeing buts laying around all over the place...but those who smoke in thier cars will still throw thier smoke out the window when they are done with it...why do people do this??? like give your head a shake!! Disgusting...:-(

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    Old Tory
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:54:05

    Unbelievable, Mitchell Tweel and Rob Lantz endeavouring to ban smoking (legal product/heavily taxed) in all of Charlottetown, even in parks and parking lots. Rob Lantz get over it, you are letting your imagination run wild if you imagine that someone actually blew smoke in your kids face at the Jack frost festival. and no one believes you. It is hard to imagine a core Conservative , like Rob Lantz, advocating the same leftist policies as we have come to expect from Mitchell Tweel. They are now trying to pit citizen against citizen (Red China)with the self policing of this stupid, unconstitutional bylaw which, in all likelihood, has absolutely no basis in law, either criminally or civil. Throw the bums out the next election. Perhaps IRAC could over rule this foolish bylaw with the same zeal that they reversed the dec ision over Idle Wheels Trailer Court.

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    Aaron
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:52:10

    Anyone who thinks this is a bad idea should sit back and re-evaluate both their priorities and the state of their health.

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    Jean
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:51:17

    According to the World Health Organization someone DIES of smoking related disease in the world every 6 SECONDS! If you don't like the opinion of the smoker next to you..don't worry they won't be around long.

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    Billy
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:48:21

    Thank you Charlottetown. This is great news.

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    Butt
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:48:05

    If you truly believe that you need some education. You are correct on some of your rant and yes a single wiff can kill. We are unable to go into a store restaurant or any establishment if there is someone smoking outside the doors. When we are at the park playing and someone decides to light up, we get out of there stat and administer emergency meds to our 7 year old or yes she could die and has come very close to it. You may be the exception to the rule here and not the normal if you feel your smoking etiquette is up to par. How can people afford to smoke and complain about not getting quitting medication paid for? How many packs of cigarettes does it take to pay for nicotine gum, the patch? I also have every right to breath air not containing 300 or so noxious cigarette fumes. Put yourselves in others shoes here, and butt out, there is a smokers help line 1-888-818-6300 or visit http://www.canadianliving.com/health/prevention/6_ways_to_quit_smoking_2.php for info on quitting.

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    Student
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:47:26

    Congrats Charlottetown,

    This is a step in the right direction!

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    smoker
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:44:51

    I am all for smoke free indoor public places. i am all for making smokers walk 15 feet from the door or go to a ventalated smoking room, i am all for not smoking with kids in the car, but when i purchase legal tobacco from the government, and pay a high tax, then I should be allowed to use that product. We cant smoke in bars and resturants, and I strongly believe thats great. But now we cant even see tobacco products before purchasing them because they are illegal to display. We wont be allowed go out for a smoke when spending the day at the rink. We wont be allowed have a smoke in the parking lot even if we're 100 feet from the building. I wont be allowed to have a smoke at the park even though it disapates in the air and i walk to the edge of the grounds. So what, i either leave my kids at the playground and leave the property to have a smoke? I take them with me so they are too close because although it disapates not many responsable adults would smoke really close to a kid even outdoors. I guess i buy smokes legally but wont be able to smoke them because who in their right mind are going to leave their kids at the park? I will just go a few more hours without a smoke.
    Do you think everyone will do that? Do you really think all kids of smoking parents will still get to go to the park anymore? do you think all parents will quit because they cant smoke at the park, or will they just not bother going to the park.

    Personally, if the government is going to ban using the product, then they should ban selling the product.

    Why ban chewing tobacco? I think its just gross to begin with, but hey, to each his own. People think my smoking is gross too, but how can you say second hand chewing is bad? Just when you make a solid point about how necessary a ban is for other peoples health, you go and overdo it losing all credability. I am planning to quit soon, can i chew nicotine gum outside the rink? can i use a spray? patch? is there harm in senond hand patching too?

    why mention in the article that people will police the new law themselves? isnt that dangerous? arent you just giving the anti smoking nazis free reign to nit pick and cause havock? why can't police enforce laws? isn't that why I pay taxes? and I pay alot of extra taxes because I buy legal tobacco.

    Honestly, alot of smokers feel the same as me, ban tobacco alltogether, or shut up and leave things as they are now. dont preach and tell us our second hand smoke is deadly but not deadly enough to ban tobacco in the first place. If the government really wanted something done they would ban tobacco, tell canadians its just too dangerous of a product for them to feel right about selling, and take a loss when the revenue off tobacco stops rolling in.

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    Transplant
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:44:16

    In the warm weather it's not so obvious, but in cold weather, when you stand at a street crossing waiting for the walk signal, and cars and trucks go by, youcan actually see the cloud of exhaust fumes {polution} you're engulfed by. It's not real good stuff to be breathing ... therefore, I want ALL vehicular traffic banned in Charlottetown BANNED!!!

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    Deb
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:42:15

    One thing that is so sad, hearing smokers putting themselves down because they smoke, such a shame as if they are the only ones with a way of life or lifestyle others might not approve of. Years and years of programming by the Anti-smokers have convinced some smokers themselves that they are not worthy, they should walk 10 blocks for a smoke, they might kill someone with their smoke, it even sounds stupid for someone to believe this. Not allowing smoking customers and workers who smoke to have a bar themselves, veterans can't smoke in their own legions, but there are still new smokers starting everyday. Some smokers even applaud bans and ask for more in the unlikely event that if they really don't want to stop, a ban will help somehow. Smokers discriminate against themselves and the anti-smokers who applaud this should be ashamed of themselves for being the bullies they are.

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    out of hand
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:37:08

    If protecting the non-smoking public from a phantom menace was what concerns anti-smoking activists and governments, solutions to keep harmony within society, do exist. Designated smoking rooms, smokers private clubs and smokers only venues, are good alternatives, yet they are forbidden in most Canadian provinces.

    In fact smoking bans are only designed to coerce smokers into quitting their habit by making their life as miserable as public opinion will permit. This coercion, combined with the fact that they have brainwashed smokers to believe that they are too severely addicted to quit on their own, profit the powerful pharmaceutical industry who makes billions selling nicotine replacement treatment throughout the world, albeit their very low rate of success. What better business partnership between governments who collect taxes, the pharmaceutical industry who profits from the repeat sales of nicotine replacement treatment, and anti-smoking activists who profit from the grants of both?

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    Don't believe the Hype
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:37:08

    First of all my personal opinion.... Smokers Suck! Disgusting filthy habit that others should not be subjected to. It is not a right as it is not covered anywhere in the Charter. Not being illegal, does not make it a right. And quite frankly, it should be illegal.

    All that being said, I don't always get my way and am willing to accept that. I completely agree that you should not be able to smoke in public buildings. I also agree that the 5M rule is great and should be more strictly enforced. It is awful walking out of a building and having to go through a cloud of smoke from a group of smokers. Banning it from health facilities is a great idea. I will even give them family event like the Jack Frost Festival due to the large numbers of kids present.

    Parking lots???? All parks??? Smoking rooms in bars with the proper designed ventilation???? I may hate smoking and smokers in general, but I am not about to tell them that because I think smoking is sickening, that they can't do it. If it doesn't directly impact me, I don't care what you do. In fact, I kinda like the fact you pay a lot of tax to help with the cost of some of the services.

    Just stop the littering. If you give me that, I won't complain about you smoking outside. Butts are made of fibreglass and don't break down. Don't throw them on the ground or out the car window and I am happy. Of course I have the same issue with the idiots that throw their fast food or Tim's cups out the window. This complaint is not limited to smokers. And if you want to chew, I just ask the same consideration about where you spit. Other than that, why is it any of my business?

    Couple of other points, Second hand smoke causes cancer. Argue it all you want, there are mountains of scientific research to prove it to the point courts have accepted it and issued awards. 'TitaniumPEI', you mention sun causes cancer, and ask if we are going to block this. We do. It is called...wait for it....SUN BLOCK! They are also bring in stricter controls for polution on vehicules. And Deb from NS, you have the best quote of the day. You mention the headline about the innocent smoker killed outside a bar due to gun play inside the bar. Would the smoker have been any safer inside the bar? I guess by your logic, the bullet that passed through the wall/window/door would not have killed him had he been inside. Well, if he was just on the other side of that wall, he would be just as dead. Still, I love it.

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    John
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:34:54

    To Chris, you make an excellent point. I was wondering the same thing while reading the article. Perhaps it is to discourage the use of the product as it is popular with a majority of ball and hockey players. There are no second hand health dangers. The only i could think of is where the people are spitting, it could make a mess, but aside from that it doesn't sense.

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    Deb
    - June 21st, 2010 at 19:34:29

    To smoker: Where is the proof then? Measure the air around smokers outside and prove it if you are so sure of yourself. Measure it and prove the huge amount of elements in the air are only from tobacco. Go ahead.

    People who are allergic, are they ONLY allergic to smoke from cigarettes? I know people who are allergic, have asthma and still come to my house and have zero attacks and also smoke.

    Also, I speak for myself and there are a lot of programmed smokers I don't agree with. I am far from selfish only standing up for my rights and against dictatorial bans. You can bend over backward trying to satisfy the dictatorial antis and you will never win and will end up having to go into the Gulf for a smoke or you could stop.

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