Ghiz says P.E.I.'s abortion policy will not change, despite Trudeau's pro-choice stance

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Premier Robert Ghiz

Federal Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau wants his MPs to be pro-choice on abortion, but P.E.I.’s Liberal Premier Robert Ghiz says his province will remain the only one in Canada without abortion services.

Trudeau announced Wednesday all candidates who run for the Liberal nomination for the 2015 federal election must support the party’s pro-choice stance.

“That’s his prerogative,” Ghiz said in response Thursday.

“He just wants to make sure that all future candidates do not vote in favour of making abortion services less accessible for Canadians.”

As for whether he would be willing to look at offering the service in Prince Edward Island, Ghiz said no.

“I believe the status quo is working,” he said.

“There’s some people who believe it’s not working, there’s some people who believe it’s too far. We’re going to stick with the status quo.”

P.E.I. is currently the only province in Canada that does not offer any in-province abortion services.

The provincial government does cover the cost of the procedure out-of-province, but only when done in a hospital and if a woman has been referred by a doctor.

The closest hospital that performs the service is the Queen Elizabeth II Hospital in Halifax.

The P.E.I. government does not fund abortions performed at private clinics, like the Morgentaler clinic in Fredericton. Fees at private clinics, where a doctor's referral is not needed, range from $600 to $900.

Government also does not fund travel or other incidentals associated with going out of province for this procedure.

The federal party seemingly took aim at this P.E.I. policy when it passed a resolution two years ago to financially penalize provinces that do not "ensure complete access to (abortion) services or that do not pay for women’s access to this procedure."

The president of the national party’s women’s commission at the time, Mary Pynenburg, put forward the resolution directly as a result of her concerns over P.E.I.’s lack of abortion services.

Ghiz said Thursday he believes Pynenburg simply “didn’t understand the nuances of how small Prince Edward Island is.

“I guarantee you there are other Canadians in other provinces that drive a lot further for health care services than Islanders who need to drive to Moncton or Halifax for health care services,” Ghiz said.

“We are small, we are close to other jurisdictions and I think that you have to take all those factors into account.”

As for how he feels about the issue personally, the P.E.I. premier said he respects the country’s laws.

“So, obviously I believe that there should be abortion services, but at the same time I think that it’s important that we respect everyone’s opinion.”

He does not believe his own government’s policy to continue to send women out-of-province for abortions is out of step with Trudeau’s bolder stance on the issue.

“I think what Justin’s position was that he wants to maintain the status quo with the laws that are in place in our country, and wants Canada to be able to do that,” Ghiz said.

“Obviously I support our leader, and I think he’s doing a great job and that’s his prerogative.”

The Guardian requested a comment from Trudeau for this story, but was told he was not available Thursday.

A spokeswomen for his office, Kate Purchase, said in an email to the paper the Liberal leader “has been very clear that a woman’s right to choose is the firm position of the Liberal Party of Canada.”

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Organizations: Queen Elizabeth II Hospital in Halifax, Morgentaler, Liberal Party of Canada

Geographic location: Prince Edward Island, Canada, Fredericton Moncton

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  • Get rid of religiom
    May 12, 2014 - 18:02

    If we ban religion, we stop terrorism,.a lot of bigotry, and remove any conceivable barrier to abortion. it should be treated as a mental defect.

  • frustrated
    May 11, 2014 - 09:50

    Christians are ruining thus country. There is no good reason not to give free on demand abortions no-questions-asked. Do it as an outpatient procedure, just like making an appointment to get a sprained wrist seen to, or a mole removed. The only reason we do not do that now is that we are opressed by closed minded fundamentalist christians who resuse to get out of tbe bronze age.

    • Absolutely
      May 11, 2014 - 16:13

      Trudeau should make renouncing Christianity as a prerequisite to being a Liberal candidate. Stop all this nonsense of having such evil shoved down our throats every day.

    • not far enuff
      May 12, 2014 - 12:36

      There should be a formal renouncement of all religious belief. If you are not a secular humanist., you should be barred from any public office. Religion is organized hate.

    • enough is enough
      May 12, 2014 - 16:15

      Separation of church and state. The best way to separate church and state is to not allow anyone to participate in both. If you want to get paid by the state, stay out of any church. If you want to go to a church, give up any part in running the state.

    • Get rid of religiom
      May 12, 2014 - 18:09

      No sane person can believe a religion, so should never be allowed to be in a position to affect policy. We need to put psychiatrists in kindergartens to weed theses things out early.

  • gce
    May 10, 2014 - 12:51

    Justin's silence since his pronouncement this week speaks volumes about his inability to skillfully address complex issues. Dreams about a Trudeau 2.0 unfortunately have resulted in the elevation of a weak person, entirely not capable of becoming a thinking Prime Minister. Liberals across Canada will be disappointed by what Justin has to offer. He truly is a "light-weight".

    • perhaps
      May 10, 2014 - 13:06

      He is promoting human rights which have been denied to women by Christians.

  • Squirrel
    May 10, 2014 - 09:03

    Of course Peter, it can be changed that's why we have Parliament - to make & change laws !!!! Why is PEI like " a cow's tail ALWAYS behind ". How many yrs did we have , the glass bottle issue, Abortion issue etc.. etc .. . Oh, how come the " NEW " Cdn. Tire doesn't have gas pumps so we could get cheaper gas. Could it be legislation ????? Yes

    • Peter
      May 10, 2014 - 17:36

      Sorry Squirrel, it can only be changed if the Vatican agrees to it, and somehow I don't see that happening. It was the RC church that imposed the condition. I wish it was different, but it's not, and If it were up to me, there wouldn't be a vatican.

    • Wtf
      May 11, 2014 - 16:18

      Because Protestants are pro-abortion?

    • Give it up
      May 11, 2014 - 16:20

      Abortion is one argument, but still whining because only backwards hillbillies would drink Pepsi out of a glass bottle makes me think you are just looking for stuff to whine about,

  • F. George Hambleton
    May 09, 2014 - 17:35

    I'm impressed with Ghiz & PEI. You're not allowing yourselves to be bullied by Margaret Trudeau's drama queen son (who has become a dictator). Well done, Islanders!

  • Dan
    May 09, 2014 - 15:58

    This Peter guy sure has his underoos in a knot today.

    • Peter
      May 10, 2014 - 06:04

      Just not afraid to face the truth the way so many (including you) seem to be.

    • Dan
      May 10, 2014 - 11:04

      I think you're just hyperventilating. Relax. Go have a hot bath and lay down on the couch for awhile. We don't want you to have a panic attack.

  • Peter
    May 09, 2014 - 15:54

    A lot of people here have made some good points, but I wish people would get their facts straight and not point fingers or cast blame. This issue, (PEI's Abortion Policy) isn't a Medical issue. It's not a Political issue. It is a religious issue. Please don't think I'm defending Premiere Ghiz. I'm not. In fact, if I could have him impeached, I would. But that's beside the point and he isn't to blame for our present policy on abortion services. His hands are tied. His predecessor, and his successors, for eternity can't change this policy. It was imposed on us and accepted by Premiere James Lee in 1982. It cannot be changed unless a decision to do so is made over in Europe. Yes, someday, that may happen, but certainly not today, or the near future neither. Do a little digging and you can see when and why this policy came to be.

    • Jay
      May 10, 2014 - 11:12

      1) Don't capitalize medical. 2) Don't capitalize political. 3) It's "premier," not "premiere." 4) Impeachment isn't a Canadian concept, that's an American tool. 5) The PEI government *can* change abortion policy, they just don't. They could stop providing public funding for abortions just to teach people that, yes, we do have publicly funded abortions. Or they could be ridiculous and choose -- of the hundreds of medical procedures currently not offered in PEI -- to bring abortion to the Island, despite all facts and logic. 6) Please don't call Premier Jim Lee "Premiere James Lee." It makes it sound like you're talking about the absolute best James Lee out of a big bunch of people named James Lee. 7) It's true, PEI is secretly governed by the Pope. Please continue to say this in all of your future Guardian comments because it lets everyone know that you're one of the *special* people.

  • Stating the obvious
    May 09, 2014 - 11:19

    Why are Island doctors not willing to perform abortions in PEI? They are being awfully quiet around this issue. Or am I oversimplifying this? This should not be a political issue.

    • Peter
      May 09, 2014 - 15:33

      Doctors have nothing to do with this issue. Kindly read my post explaining WHY this service doesn't exist on PEI

  • just saying
    May 09, 2014 - 11:16

    He has a womb? No.Female parts and hormones? No Maybe if he were a woman he may look at it in a different light. But probably not on second thought. However, its the individuals choice IMO

    • well then
      May 09, 2014 - 16:45

      Then you must be anti-child support. If having the child is totally your choice, why should a man ever be expected to pay for a woman's choice not to abort?

  • Sandra
    May 09, 2014 - 11:02

    Probably the first time in 7 years I've thought Ghiz was 100% right. PEI does have publicly funded abortions and the travel distance is actually below the national average for people who don't live in Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver. So when you look at it honestly, PEI is providing better access to abortions than other provinces. The issue is only that the abortion-on-demand crowd seems to think we should prioritize abortion above the life-saving treatments which are also not provided on PEI itself. When the Liberal Party of Canada tried to condemn PEI for having healthcare pacts with Nova Scotia and New Brunswick on abortion they obviously didn't know that we also send PEI kids with serious illness to Halifax's IWK hospital. Or that car accident victims in critical condition from PEI are sent to Halifax. Or that seniors in need of heart surgery are sent to New Brunswick. Or that Islanders with a head injury are sent to New Brunswick. The list goes on and on. If you cherry pick out abortion, sure, to someone who doesn't know anything about our health care system it sounds like we're dragging our feet on the issue. But I think we can safely say that these people don't have a legitimate argument to stand on here. Trying to pit Trudeau's stance against Ghiz (who wants to run federally) is fun for politics, but why are we needlessly upsetting people? Let's get back to real issues that aren't just some abortion-protesters misunderstandings.

    • why
      May 09, 2014 - 16:46

      Why do you hate women?

  • Quiet Observer
    May 09, 2014 - 10:05

    In my opinion, when abortions are medically necessary, they should be provided on PEI and paid for by the government. When abortion is being used as a form of birth control, then it should not be provided by government for free. Couples are responsible for their own choices and to provide their own form of birth control.

    • don
      May 09, 2014 - 11:34

      i agree with you fully. life starts when the sperm joins. it is murder other wise. and to me the female should be charged with murder. but why have they not heard of condoms? or the wear 2 just in case.

    • Morgan Taylor
      May 09, 2014 - 15:09

      Just the very fact that you refer to a woman as "the female" gives away your mindset. Sad.

    • Sex education
      May 09, 2014 - 15:17

      Don, I'm going to give you a lesson in Sex Ed. You should NEVER use more than one condom at a time. Using two condoms actually offers less protection than using just one. Why? Using two condoms can cause friction between them, weakening the material and increasing the chance that the condoms might break. Also, approximately 50% of all fertilized human eggs never divide of implant into the uterus. So I just want to clarify, if a woman has a normal menstrual period with a fertilized egg that never implanted to the uterus, she should be charged with murder?

  • WELL
    May 09, 2014 - 09:48

    I doubt anyone goes into even thinking about an abortion without really thinking things out. It cannot be easy for most. I am sure an abortion clinic is not a party house. I think everyone should butt out and leave the decision up to the woman involved. Maybe we should concentrate on the poor and neglected kids we have already.

    • Parent
      May 09, 2014 - 11:00

      Excellent point! There are many kids in foster care on PEI, kids living in poverty and single parents struggling to make ends meet but where are all the pro-lifers then? Look at the state of children around the world... it is easy to care about the "unborn" knowing full well that you will never have to do a thing. If you are concerned about children on PEI, step up to the plate... drop off some groceries to a poor family, offer to babysit for a single parent, and become a foster parent or a big brother/sister.

    • To parent
      May 09, 2014 - 16:51

      Perhaps the foster kids and poor kids should be euthanized to put them out of their misery? The only difference between the preborn and the post born is level of development of the same organism. They don't magically become unkillable at a particular point, except by a decision of a few white guys who wrote so on a piece of paper.

    • Craig
      May 09, 2014 - 18:42

      Well said except the decision should be made between the female and male involved!

  • Truth Seeker
    Truth Seeker
    May 09, 2014 - 09:16

    I am adopted and grateful for my life but in no way is it right to tell people what they can and can't to with concern to their own body no matter what is going on inside. I don't like the idea of abortion but I'm not about to trample human rights to satisfy my person feelings about it. As far as myself and the majority are concerned this argument is dead and the pro-life camp just doesn't realize it. The only people that have a real say in this anyway are the pregnant mothers.

  • Sarah
    May 09, 2014 - 09:16

    I am so proud to live on PEI because of its standing on abortion. Murder is a sin and the child does feel pain. Shame on anyone who kills their children.

    • Sasha
      May 09, 2014 - 09:57

      What is that PEI's "standing on abortion" you are so proud of? It is not the question whether PEI will pay for it or whether abortion will happen. PEI will pay for the abortion, but only after making woman jump through the hoops, trumping her privacy, getting her humiliated and disrespected, making her lose time of work and getting her deeper in a debt. The only question is how much additional pain would you like woman to suffer while going through this.

    • Amanda
      May 09, 2014 - 10:15

      I am very proud as well of Premier Ghiz and his government to stand firm! I have had people who live elsewhere who have also said that we are very fortunate to live in a province that doesn't condone this. So thankful!!!

    • Really
      May 09, 2014 - 11:03

      Tell me this... are you proud of how PEI treats its children after they are born? Are you proud that we have so many addicted youth on PEI and are doing nothing about it? Are you proud that an extremely large number of children live on poverty on PEI? Those children also feel pain.

    • To sasha
      May 09, 2014 - 17:12

      lose time at work? how the [bleep] is that different from anyone else. If I need to go for any elective procedure I lose time at work. And if there is nothing wrong with abortion, why the heck would she be humiliated? Because other people may not agree? From the sounds of the media, the only people who disagree are perhaps 30 or 40 uber fundies who probably think she shouldn't have a job in the first place. If she cares about them, she needs psychiatric help too.

    • ProChoice
      May 09, 2014 - 17:42

      You need consciousness to feel pain. This is why there is a time frame to perform the abortion, before consciousness develops. Before this limit is up, it is nothing more than a collection of cells. Murder by definition is the taking of a life and we define life as conscious life so no, a collection of cells is not life and therefore not murder. Whether or not it is a sin is irrelevant. Religion is finally dying out and has no place in modern society. Some may argue that it had the potential to become life and yes it does, but so does an unfertilized egg. Technically, if you fail to fertilize that egg in your monthly cycle, are you not guilty of preventing a life from being created? Women should have freedom of choice. It is none of mine or your business what she chooses to do. Not all pregnancies are a good idea. And for the record, PEI's stance on abortion is opposite to what you may think. They will pay for you to travel off island to get it done. So, technically, they are pro choice. They just don't see the need to set up the facilities here.

    • to Pro Choice
      May 10, 2014 - 10:49

      What a load of BS. All I see here is emotional venting of someone is upset that they may not get their way on something. Where did you get your definition of life? I have never seen that definition in a biology book. I have seen it in pro-abort literature. As for religion going away, that has been an atheist mantra for over a century, but the stats worldwide do not bear it out. It is likely the result of watching TV and assuming that if you are not a western culture you are stupid; a rather bigoted position. The only way to take your post seriously is if you make the assumption that reality will bend itself to whatever is currently politically correct, and you can bully ( yes, bully) anyone who disagrees with you into silence by name calling rather than making a reasoned case for your position. Political Correctness is the greatest killer of free speech and free thought in our culture. There is an approved thought, and anyone who does not fall in line will be mocked, demonized, and punished. It is the refuge of the intellectually lazy, or underendowed, and allows one to feel that they are freely choosing to fight for a just cause while merely being part of a zombie army of the leftist elite. If you want to be taken seriously, think for yourself, present a cogent reasoned response, and do not simply rely on the fact that emotionally charged baseless assertions are the a ame thing, and people are roo stupid to see what you are tryimg to do.

    • wtf
      May 10, 2014 - 11:46

      ProChoice, you have enough straw men to have quite a bonfire. How stupid do you think people are? This type of bold faced cr@p is why I cant take a lot of pro choice rhetoric seriously. No attempt to even try to look like you have an argument, and no shame at just making stuff up for effect, while accusing others of lying, all witha straight face.

    • Struck a nerve
      May 11, 2014 - 19:12

      Seems I struck a nerve with a few people. First of all, a comments section on a web page is not the place to discuss the few scientific definitions of life. I was generalizing. Our society is only concerned with conscious life, this also extends to other forms of life than humans such as dogs, cats, apes, and so on. Pro choice do not believe consciousness forms before the time limit for an abortion. Since higher brain functions are not possible if the physical framework has not developed yet, I believe the pro choice people are correct. Religious people will see it as a life regardless of how developed it is. What angers me is her statement that it "feels pain" and that murder "is a sin". It's already painful enough for the woman to decide to go through with an abortion. She does not need religious people making her feel worse.

    • To Struck a nerve
      May 12, 2014 - 07:00

      " First of all, a comments section on a web page is not the place to discuss the few scientific definitions of life. " Then don't bring it up, and use one that is patently untrue, and insist that it is THE definition in order to discredit others, and when called on it try to paint that person as being in the wrong and then expect anyone to believe you have any interest in holding to any intellectual honesty.

    • not a fan
      May 12, 2014 - 07:11

      The pro-choicers (at least the ones that I have heard making statements) are not helping their case. If I made the statements I have seen here against Christians against any other group, I wold be labeled a bigot. The complete lack of ability to understand that other medical priorities exist, make them sound like spoiled children. I am not for blocking access to abortion, but the statements by some commentator make me seriously reconsider providing any additional support to such an obvious hate motivated group. I get the feeling that many do not support abortion as a cause, but merely a tool to express their hate of those who do not sufficiently support it. I'll wait for being named bigot for not cheerleading the hate. You have lost a potential supporter. #greatmediacampaignlosers

    • To not a fam
      May 12, 2014 - 12:40

      There is no hate by anyone except the Christians. Just oppressed people struggling to be heard amid the attempts of fundamentalists to keep us silenced and subjugated. And you do come off as a bit of a bigot.

  • Justin
    May 09, 2014 - 09:12

    PEI is so far behind the times, our Liberals are more like Conservatives. Embarrassing. If you want to live in the 50s, move to a commune.

  • Margie
    May 09, 2014 - 08:38

    It is incredible the lack of knowledge of the people posting about killing babies. A fetus is not a baby and for the record there have always been illegal abortions on the Island for decades and more deaths of women as a result. For the record deaths are always higher when abortion is illegal, botched or difficult to obtain and provinces where it legal have far less women who die horrible deaths. Time to look at statistics folks. Ghiz's narrow mind and interpretation will come back to bite your daughters one day if they find themselves needing an abortion. Other provinces are more enlightened and Ghiz is trying to control "the little woman" who he obviously believes is not bright enough to decide what is best for her.

    • Peter
      May 09, 2014 - 09:22

      Sorry Margie.. as much as I agree with you, Mr. Ghiz can't be blamed for this one. He was only eight years old when this "no abortion" policy came into play.

    • To MArgie
      May 09, 2014 - 16:56

      There has always been illegal drug use where people killed themselves because they misdosed. Perhaps we should legalize it and hire governemnt employees to help people shoot up so they don't accidentally misdose?

  • Peter
    May 09, 2014 - 07:55

    In 1982, after 102 years of service, the Charlottetown Hospital closed its doors when the Queen Elizabeth Hospital opened. The closure of the Charlottetown Hospital and Prince Edward Island Hospital also saw the end of abortion services in the province offered by the latter institution; one of the conditions that the Roman Catholic Church placed on the provincial government for merging the Catholic-affiliated Charlottetown Hospital with the Prince Edward Island Hospital into the new Queen Elizabeth Hospital being that all abortion services in the province be discontinued

    • secular islander
      May 09, 2014 - 10:33

      Blame bible thumping Roman Catholic premier Jim Lee for the decision to stop providing abortions in PEI. Abortions had been provided from 1970-1982. It was a service that started at the Prince Edward Island Hospital on Brighton Rd when provincially-funded medicare began in 1970. Jim Lee stopped it and no government has had the guts to reinstate it.

    • because
      May 12, 2014 - 18:35

      Too many Christians in power and the civil service.

  • Peter
    May 09, 2014 - 07:52

    My next post will explain why this policy be can't changed. If I don't make a "next post", it's because the Guardian prevented it.

  • Nice To Know
    May 09, 2014 - 07:50

    Its nice to see this in print and so strongly put . It really let's me know that I will never vote for a party that put's killing babies ahead of the many ways of birth control that we have today . We're not that far behind Holland , just wondering how much longer before we include the seniors in this death sentence decision's . Wow the hill is getting slippery . Might as well include smokers & fat people on the list . Then the disabled & non blue eyed - welfare & anyone not related to a politician . Wouldn't the country be perfect then . Hilter showed us how . Now that's a rant with more truth than one wants to believe .

    • Peter
      May 09, 2014 - 08:06

      But you'd vote in favour of having your freedom of choice eliminated?

  • caringgal
    May 09, 2014 - 07:48

    Abortion is murder! Ending the life of a helpless baby is wrong.If you don't want the inconvenience of a child,do something to prevent the pregnancy from happening.

  • don
    May 09, 2014 - 07:22

    ghiz this is the 1st time i agree with you. thank you.

    • Exactly
      May 09, 2014 - 09:00

      My first time to agree as well. Anyone who says a fetus is not a baby.....they need the education! There are times when I would agree with abortion but not as a form of birth control for those who can't keep their legs together.

    • IBC
      May 09, 2014 - 10:25

      Don ; YES this the very first time I have ever also agreed with Ghiz . I sorry there are to many ways to prevent becoming pregnant in the first place and if you choice to end a life pay for it yourself . I am sorry hold your children close to you , not end their life . If you do not want them ,there are many out their that do .

    • IBC
      May 09, 2014 - 10:25

      Don ; YES this the very first time I have ever also agreed with Ghiz . I sorry there are to many ways to prevent becoming pregnant in the first place and if you choice to end a life pay for it yourself . I am sorry hold your children close to you , not end their life . If you do not want them ,there are many out their that do .

  • Sloppy Equivocation
    May 09, 2014 - 07:12

    Mr. Ghiz implies that because we cannot afford to to do otherwise, P.E.I. is currently the only province in Canada that does not offer any in-province abortion services. If the Federal Liberals (or NDP, Green Party) covered the cost of a clinic, would he support this pro-choice option? I'm not a big fan of Mr. Trudeau, but at least he is crystal clear on his position. The only thing crystal clear about Mr. Ghiz is sloppy equivocation.

    • Peter
      May 09, 2014 - 07:46

      Mr. Ghiz "can't" support his own stance on this issue, and it has nothing to do with politics or money. In fact NO Premiere of PEI can change this policy. Their hands are tied.

    • Sandra
      May 09, 2014 - 11:07

      He didn't say we can't afford it. We can afford it. That's why we're already paying for it.

  • Peter
    May 09, 2014 - 07:08

    Why is it no one will say just"why" PEI's abortion policy won't change?

  • Right to Choose
    May 09, 2014 - 07:00

    Vague term., and intentionally so. In the US there have been law suits because some people think that a woman should know what it is she chose before she does it. We can't have that. Political Correctness means that women should not have to know what they chose to do. Of course, much of the rhetoric on the subject comes out of the US where coincidentally providing this "right" is a multimillion dollar industry (where health inspections have been known not to be done because if a health inspection was ever done it was known that the site would have to shut down and access to abortion is a sacred cow that even risk to the woman is not enough to allow to jeopardize it) and the largest provider was created by a eugenicist who purposefully set up in black neighbourhoods on the plan that she could reduce the black population and make money doing it. Yet those who oppose this, are bigots?

    • yerah right
      May 09, 2014 - 17:01

      Are all anti-choicers liars? The clinics lose money. The closure of the NB clinic showed that doctors have to donate their own money to provide women their basic human rights. Even though the lack of free easy abortion has been ruled by the UN as torture, our politicians are not charged with crimes against humanity for not funding this.

    • perhaps
      May 10, 2014 - 13:12

      Yes, they are. Anything to keep women as slaves. I'm surprised they allow women to vote or speak in public, or not wear a burka.

  • island pro-choice supporter
    May 09, 2014 - 06:06

    I love it how a man gets to make a policy decision for 50% of the population. Obstetric services cost more than abortion services. Perhaps we should push OB to Halifax as well? And general surgery too? And push cancer treatment to... oh let's pick a random Maritime hospital - Bridgewater. And heart surgery can go to Fredericton. And urology to Bathurst. And dialysis can go to Saint John. What would that leave the QEH as? A geriatric specialist centre....

    • so
      May 09, 2014 - 06:49

      So not being pro abort means outsourcing random treatments to random hospitals, and you are the the "intelligent" one? And we should kill people because it is cheaper than helping them, and you are the one that is pro-rights. #FAIL

    • Perhaps
      May 09, 2014 - 06:52

      Trudeau has the right idea. No one bigoted enough to not support free abortion on demand should be allowed to run for public office and more than you should be allowed to run for public office running a plantation worked by slaves. Bigoted is bigoted.

    • absolutely
      May 09, 2014 - 17:06

      If a politician will not officially declare as pro-choice, they are not fit to run for office. All parties should make this a mandatory restriction. IF you can't do this, run as an independent. That way if the voters in the riding are bigotted enough to vote for him, his vote won't really count. We need to get rid of fundamentalist christians in power with their narrow minded misogynistic and homophobic hate views.