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NDP calls for end to appointing senators

Mike Redmond, left, leader of the P.E.I. NDP and Joel Byrne, federal executive member with the New Democratic Party of Canada, meet in this Guardian file photo. Nigel Armstrong

Mike Redmond, left, leader of the P.E.I. NDP and Joel Byrne, federal executive member with the New Democratic Party of Canada, meet in this Guardian file photo.

Published on March 12, 2013
Published on March 12, 2013

Byrne, Redmond urge provincial government to advocate an end to the practice

Topics :
NDP , Supreme Court of Canada , House of Commons , Prince Edward Island , Maritime , Nova Scotia

Joe Byrne, federal executive member with the New Democratic Party of Canada, and Mike Redmond, leader of the New Democratic Party of Prince Edward Island, have jointly called for the provincial Liberal government to advocate an end to the practice of appointing senators in Canada.

Redmond said the federal government is seeking clarification from the Supreme Court of Canada in regard to the federal government’s powers to reform or abolish the Senate.

“It is time for the government of Prince Edward Island to be crystal clear,” Redmond said. “There should be no more appointed senators, not by the prime minister, not by anybody.”

Media are reporting all Maritime governments are preparing interventions with the Supreme Court. Nova Scotia is advocating abolition of the Senate, New Brunswick is introducing a bill to establish Senate elections and P.E.I. is talking about pushing for equal representation for all provinces, said Byrne.

“The government of Prince Edward Island needs to be clear that no matter how many senators P.E.I. may or may not be allotted, it is not tolerable for tax dollars to be spent on appointed senators while health care, EI and job training  programs are being cut,” said Byrne.

“There are many better ways to spend money than on political appointees.”

In November 2007, Premier Robert Ghiz indicated in the media he would not support abolishing the Senate, alluding to the constitutional provision that P.E.I.’s four Senate seats entitles the Island to four House of Commons seats.

“For 50 years, the NDP has advocated the Senate be abolished and that is what we should do in Canada today,” Redmond added. “But if Ghiz has clearly rejected this option, then he should not use his equal representation argument as a smoke screen for the Liberals to safeguard the anti-democratic practice of appointed senators.”

Byrne and Redmond both stress that in regard to Senate reform, the highest priority for Prince Edward Island is to protect representation in the House of Commons.

“The provincial government should defend the Island having at least four members of Parliament in the House of Commons in Ottawa,” said Redmond.

“That should be our bottom line. Whether the Senate ends up being elected or completely abolished, P.E.I. should use the leverage of our provincial government status to ensure our four House of Commons seats are preserved. That is the best position for the government of Prince Edward Island to take on this issue.”

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  • Username
    Treaus
    - March 12, 2013 at 16:33:50

    Senate reform makes no sense to me. It would almost certainly entail voting for the senate members, which people here seem to support. Why have an elected body to look into what another elected body is doing? I don't support the Conservatives, but somebody voted for them (39% or so). The problem isn't reforming the senate, the problem is the people representing us don't actually represent us.

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  • Bill Kays
    Bill Kays
    - March 12, 2013 at 15:44:25

    We should not want to end the Senate, quite the opposite. We should expand their powers as the watchdog over government. What needs to change is how the Senate gets appointed, elected, etc., etc. The Senators should be voted in through direct representation, that is we Islanders should get to vote (1 vote per person) for our Senator. Then we have to give them teeth to chew at the Prime Minister or others when they go astray from what is best for ALL of its citizens as a whole and not just corporations. We have got to divorce big business from big government.

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    Margaret
    - March 12, 2013 at 14:09:49

    You got 4 NDP votes coming from my household next election!!

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  • Username
    nitpicker
    - March 12, 2013 at 14:08:00

    First things first. Until the senate is reformed to the point where its actually relevant, then any discussions on proportional representation, or whether senators are elected or appointed, are moot.

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  • Username
    NDP For ME
    - March 12, 2013 at 13:32:04

    SG - you have misinterpreted what the ndp is saying. The position of the ndp remains that the Senate be abolished. But, with the current federal and provincial government this isn't going to happen - not until the ndp forms the national government. Until then, we are stuck with the Senate, so we might as well at least make sure that during this period, senators are elected not appointed. But absolutely, the ndp has a long standing policy on abolishing the Senate which still remains.

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  • Username
    Used to be a loyal Tory...ran for them twice....
    - March 12, 2013 at 12:35:26

    Keep'r up Joe Byrne. You got my vote last time and please run again in Charlottetown......you will get my vote again!

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  • Username
    bitter islander
    - March 12, 2013 at 12:30:43

    ghiz won't agree with it cause he wants his turn at the trough some day .....he will move to federal after he is defeated provincialy ...get rid of the senators they do nothing and have no say in anything easy money i guess ... we dont need them but we do need health care and social programs use that expendable cash there

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  • Username
    All wrong
    - March 12, 2013 at 12:29:03

    No wonder we get the governments we get. It's astounding how little most people understand constitutionalism, democratic principles, rule of law - trivial things like that. What do they teach in schools these days?

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    • Username
      NDP Rising
      - March 12, 2013 at 13:18:06

      You are really uncomfortable with all of this, eh? I assume you liked the Senate story line more when it was Mike Duffy all day all the time. Well now it is time for the Liberals to answer for their decades of wasteful Senate patronage. Except the Ghiz guys are too cowardly to say what they are really up to. At least the Liberal MPs from PEI went on the record in Ottawa by upholding the unelected Canadian House of Patronage Lords, voting with the Conservatives to defeat the NDP motion to abolish the Senate last week. There is no more reason to spend a public dime on Percy Downe than there is to spend it on Mike Duffy. That is the unvarnished truth. But Ghiz will not say that now will he????? Will you????

    • Username
      All Wrong
      - March 12, 2013 at 14:54:48

      I'd be happy to answer your question NDP Rising but I have no idea what it is. What concerns me is the public's lack of clarity of thinking, and unfortunately your rant is a good example. When people don't really understand a problem, their solutions will be flawed. Canada's Senate is currently a disaster. It needs to be drastically reformed, not abolished. That would not serve democracy.

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    SG
    - March 12, 2013 at 11:48:50

    I wholeheartedly DISAGREE with the NDP on this issue. We don't need Appointed or Elected Senate Members we don't need any Senators period. The Price Tag for Sober Second Thought was and still is in the $Billions!!! We don't need such an expense for anybodys' or any group's personal view or opinion! The $$$$'s spent on the Senate is Outrageous! Those dollars would provide MANY NEEDED programs and many necessities for tax paying Canadians!

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    • Username
      Frank
      - March 12, 2013 at 12:09:33

      Uhh, you actually totally agree with the NDP on this issue. They've been calling for the Senate to be abolished for 50 years.

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    Treaus
    - March 12, 2013 at 11:06:15

    Absolutely right. Senators are unelected, unaccountable, and as has been recently proven, apparently above the law. Abolish the senate and implement mixed member proportional representation both provincially and federally. Once done, we'll have a truly democratic society, and maybe politics can mean something again.

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  • Username
    All wrong
    - March 12, 2013 at 10:59:51

    All this because Mike Duffy was caught sponging? Come one folks, think. Harper appoints senators in the first place, so blame him for appointing inept people. And why would he do that? So that reactionary people will call out for the Senate to be abolished. Harper would love that - even less opposition than he already has. And he can just say he was bowing to the will of the people. Thanks people, I'll know who to blame when Harper becomes Dictator.

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  • Username
    reality check
    - March 12, 2013 at 10:54:01

    On this issue alone, the NDP has my vote provincially and federally in the next elections. I am utterly sick of the old Liberal-Conservative dance.

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