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Protester says waterfowl season changes could hurt black duck and geese populations

Hunters for Conservation spokesperson Lorne Yeo says proposed changes for the waterfowl hunting season could negatively impact black duck and geese populations on P.E.I. Guardian photo

Hunters for Conservation spokesperson Lorne Yeo says proposed changes for the waterfowl hunting season could negatively impact black duck and geese populations on P.E.I.

Published on March 11, 2013
Published on March 11, 2013
Mitch MacDonald  RSS Feed

Canadian Wildlife Service proposes lengthening season and increasing bag limits

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Canadian Wildlife Service , P.E.I. Wildlife Federation , The Guardian , P.E.I. , Nova Scotia , Charlottetown

Island hunters and nature lovers are blasting the Canadian Wildlife Service for proposed changes to the province's hunting season which they say could negatively impact black duck and bred geese populations.

Hunters for Conservation spokesperson Lorne Yeo said the CWS proposals, which were jointly developed with the provincial government, include lengthening both the waterfowl season and bag limits.

The season, which now runs from Oct. 1 to Dec. 8, would be extended to Dec. 31 for wild geese and Jan. 14 for black ducks.

Yeo, who was a former editor at The Guardian and also a former president of the P.E.I. Wildlife Federation and Canada Wildlife Federation, described the changes as radical and "ridiculously insensitive."

"A number of people toady show disrespect for wildlife, they consider it merely 'a thing' to be 'used,' which leads to abuse... not to be enhanced as something worthy of the wise management it deserves," said Yeo. "It's part of a 'culture' that reflects little respect, not only for wildlife, but for all life and human dignity."

Environment Canada numbers showed the black duck population rising approximately 32 per cent from 2011 to 2012, the first increase seen in the Atlantic flyway in years.

However, Yeo said the 2012 population was still down five per cent from 2002.

With a one-year increase not indicating a long-term trend, Yeo said the proposals are not justified.

"For at least another year, in the hope that brighter figures will justify change later," said Yeo. "They definitely do not at this time."

There have yet to be any results published from Eastern Joint Habitat aerial surveys of nesting black ducks in P.E.I., which has been under study since 2009.

Yeo said many feel the changes have been recommended because they are already in effect elsewhere throughout the Maritimes and don't accurately reflect P.E.I.'s unique winter hunting situation.

Late season hunting is possible in south Nova Scotia because the water stays open and gives ducks lots of habitat.

On P.E.I., much of the habitat freezes, making the birds "easy kill."

The P.E.I. Wildlife Federation has defended the proposals and said the province can shut the hunt down if there are freeze up conditions.

Yeo said he believes the season would not be closed until much of the damage is already done.

"Until we see the cold hard evidence of dead black ducks, they (the province) will probably wait until they actually take any action," he said. "And that's putting a lot of responsibility on the shoulders of wildlife division staff."

Another proposal to introduce September hunting of locally-bred wild geese also doesn't reflect P.E.I.'s circumstances, said Yeo.

The idea of early hunting is based in dispersing flocks of geese tearing apart fields of early barley and grain.

However, the problem is almost non-existent on P.E.I. and can easily be solved by requesting a "scare away" permit from the CWS, said Yeo.

The CWS has extended public input on the proposals to March 22 and will also be holding public input sessions in Charlottetown and Summerside. Dates and locations have yet to be announced.

Yeo said members of Hunters for Conservation, which formed about three months ago in response to the proposals, will be attending the meetings.

The group includes more than 70 members, consisting of hunters as well as nature lovers.

"Islanders who enjoy wildlife in different ways," said Yeo. "Generally speaking, Islanders like to see wildlife populations strong."

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    Quackers
    - March 13, 2013 at 18:05:04

    Its good to see Darrin Deveau has his head on straight. Lots of black ducks around this time of year. Any place with open water or a bare spot in a field you will find ducks. Take a good look because if these proposed changes go through that will be the end of that. As for hunting on Sunday...the birds are under enough pressure coming on December. A day of rest wouldn't hurt them either. Smelt shacks go out on the ice usually about the first week of January. Cant tell me there is still open water some where then. Also when somebody makes the call to close it due to ice, the damage will be done. When is it going to be shut down? When the rivers, ponds, and marshs freeze? The birds will move to bigger open water where the hunters will be waiting. John Roper also has many good points. Who wants to hunt in September and shoot a bunch of small pin feather filled birds? Not only that but it would be t-shirt weather and you wouldn't be able to see the ducks through the mosquitos. Outfitters...what a joke they are on PEI. They are making it become a rich mans sport. This is just a big scam for them and their suppliers to line their pockets. They get more and more fields every year. They also drive the prices of the fields up so high that nobody can afford them anyway. I have been from east point to Tignish several times from fall until now. There sure as "duck" isnt an over population of birds anywhere that I can see. The numbers go up for a year or two and everybody gets excited and wants to keep them down. Let them build up for 5-10 years then lets up our bag limits. I also work on a farm and spend a lot of time golfing. Havent saw a goose destroy a crop or run off with with a golf ball yet. As for what Nova Scotia and New Brunswick do....They have strip joints does that mean we should have one too? To call the season unsuccessful is to miss the point entirely....its not about the meat, its about the heart beat.

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      Paul MacKinnon
      - March 14, 2013 at 13:20:45

      Quackers lets look at the facts and your post.........firstly: In your first sentence your seeing ducks everywhere then you drive the island from tip to tip and dont see the ducks in any numbers? Facts are the last few years because our winters have been warmer 10 consectutive years there is a ton of birds here.....with open water and food well into Jan......thats a major reason in the population explosion......I hunt everyday of the year.....and have never seen the sheer number of black ducks in my area,.......they are just leaving now the last few days. Secondly outfitters are here to stay an have no bearing on the conversation.....although I agree with some of your points. I would suggest that the outfitters will only actually have clients in Oct-Nov which eliminates a ton of pressure and enhances opportunities. As for late hunters and potentially damage? Well these limits are set based on 1400+ waterfowlers......I would say there maybe 100-150 hunting late daily.....even fewer as jobs, kids etc......get prioroty.....so there is no where near the hunters out late......and for the matter early goose I would suggest people will chose not to par take......but what a great time to take a kid, older parent etc......remember this about access. As for Nova Scotia or New Brunswick you should be concerned and they do matter......the major staging area for almost all our ducks and geese is here....to Truro and over to the Sussex/ Moncton area.......this is a very small area as the crow flies.....and all the same birds......so it is and should be in the same conversation....if birds migrate from downeast...fly 10 miles and can be hunted for 5 more weeks and numbers continue to grow......it is obviously having no affect whatsover. As for an increase in population please educate yourself......all ducks and geese in all flyways in north america are are at all time highs and in some cases over populated.........snow geese and resident geese are two prime examples......its hasnt happened over night it has happened over the last 10-15 years.........two major reasons are warming trends and corn.......ask any hunter on the south shore of nova scotia how there seasons have been....aweful.....because the birds dont need to leave here, Amherst,Truro or Sussex......too much food and water and they make it back to Labrador in great shape and have bigger,stronger broods......thats why numbers are up. As for golf course here its starting.......ask them at Green Gables, Eagles Glen or new Glasgow what they think the last 4-5 years with resident geese.....out here in our area its gone from 100+ to over 1000+ in residents. The truth here is times are changing, the science confirms this......and its not about killing its about access and a successful harvest model. Lets stick to the facts and leave uminformed opinions out of it.

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      prochange
      - March 15, 2013 at 14:52:54

      the seasons have changed over the years. and with that people have to realize that you have to change things like hunting seasons and fishing seasons. 20 years ago, give or take a year or two the weather was differant things started to freeze up in november and nobody complained then that it was unfair to shoot ducks whn they flocked to open water and these days things dont start to freeze till january so everything would equall out if they exstend the season cause there is less birds being shoot each year on pei then previous years because who wants to hunt ducks and geese in a tshirt cause the weather is to warm if things dont change soon there will be nobody hunting on pei and then the people that are complaining about the proposed changes will actually have somthing to complain about because the waterfowl population will increase and they will start to destroy our marshes and feilds like they do already in other parts of the country this is just my opinion i do agree with the exstended season but dont really agree with the increassed bag limit and also another solution to the changes may be to open the season later like maybe october31

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    Real Island Hunter
    - March 12, 2013 at 09:48:57

    Where did all of you experts come from? You certainly weren't present at the public meetings held to formulate this proposal from the CWS. From reading your comments its obvious your not hunters or invested in conservation either. No, just the sheep, the majority, who can sit back and blast your two cents from behind a computer screen but when called on to stand up in public, or volunteer your time for a cause, would be absent. The CWS proposal is based on SCIENCE, a little known concept here on the island where the old thought process remains prevalent..."change nothing"... as Darrin Deveau demonstrates. The CWS represents the real hunters here in the province. Real hunters know what hunting is all about, getting outside, enjoying the outdoors and a past time, sharing it with friends and family. It's great to have the availability of a higher bag limit, should you happen to have a good day and fill your limit, but the realistic side of it is, that doesn't happen most of the time for the majority of hunters. The majority of hunters work all week and get one day to get out, Saturday. Throw in kids and a multitude of other priorities and you might not even get that in. So by extending the season maybe you get an extra couple weekends to get out with the kids. The majority of hunters won't be out there in minus 20 in late December let alone the nicer days early on. The number of hunters has decreased, the number of ducks has increased, by increasing the bag limit and extending the season it simply balances out the other factors in the equation. Waterfowl populations are at a 100 year high, cited from sources such as Ducks Unlimited, Delta Waterfowl and other major scientific conservation organizations. But somehow, Mr. Yeo knows better? Better than the organizations dedicated to the conservation of these species for decades? Better than our neighboring provinces of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick who already have these regulations in place? If there is anyone worried about "slaughtering" waterfowl, they should look more closely at the hunting history of Lorne Yeo himself. Times are changing and it's time for those who are active, involved and engaged in hunting and conservation to change with them, FOR THE BETTER. Know the facts, get involved, don't be another arm chair sheep in the island heard.

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      Hunter
      - March 12, 2013 at 12:09:27

      If you are such an expert real island hunter why hide behind an alias

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      REAL ISLAND HUNTER
      - March 12, 2013 at 12:38:06

      Your going to call me out on something you did as well? Did you even read my post? I don't once recall claiming to be an expert.

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      Paul MacKinnon
      - March 12, 2013 at 12:48:03

      Hunter.....Real Island Hunter is bang on and correct with his info......especially with regards to the public consultation process, user groups and provincial goverment involvment and the science provided by CWS along with USFWS who set dates and bag limits on black ducks. This was a two year process that user groups brought back to there memberships.....to an overwhelming approval.......numbers would suggest 1000+ hunters within those groups approved these changes and that is being modest. And to ease your fears I"m not an expert but a member of several of the user groups and was part of the process representing one of the user groups.

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      Elmer Fudd
      - March 12, 2013 at 15:25:12

      WHY NOT BAN HUNTING .... WE DONT NEED TO HUNT FOR FOOD ANYMORE .. ALL HUNTING IS A SLAUGHTER OF POOR BIRDS AND ANIMALS IT IS TIME TO STOP THESE BARBARIC ACTS

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      REAL ISLAND HUNTER
      - March 13, 2013 at 09:49:24

      Lets try and keep the discussion realistic here ELMER FUDD. Or are you one of those people that only eats animals that commit suicide?

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    Common Sense
    - March 12, 2013 at 09:17:37

    Sadly Mr Yeo just wants to spread rumors and push his own personal opinion. I or one wholeheartedly agree with this proposal....it allows me more time hunting with my kids.....more opportunity and access is the issue......not killing and slaughter. Mr Yeo has harvested as many geese and ducks as anyone but sounds more like an anti-Hunter then a hunter. The facts are......we have had 10 straight winters that are getting warmer and warmer, our populations are at an all time high in both geese and ducks, hunters dont slaughter we harvest game. If it does ever freeze out the province will close the season immediately.......which by the way has only ever happened once in my 35 years of waterfowl hunting. And lastly the CWS, USFWS and provincial government along with 12 major user groups who represent over 1200 people ( hunters) have wroked for the past 2 years on these proposals using science, harvest models, breeding reports.......actually facts. This decision wasnt made over night. In closing these changes are science based, have gone through an extensive consultation phase and have achieved the main goal......to put us in line with NS and NB with days afield opportunities. Stick with the facts......these same ducks Mr Yeo speaks about leave here and fly 20 miles across the straight to Amherst,Truro Moncton etc.......and are hunted for 5 more weeks......same weather, same conditions and habitat........they are not slaughtered over there and there numbers continue to explode. Thats the facts.

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    Confused
    - March 12, 2013 at 09:17:20

    Hunters are upset because the government wants to extend the hunting season. So stay home then. What Yeo really seems to be saying is that hunters are out of control, and only government restrictions can stop them. Hunters kill because they enjoy it, period.

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    bye the way
    - March 12, 2013 at 08:53:51

    They should rename the Canadian Wildlife Service.......to the Canadian Slaughter- Wildlife Service. I'm sorry ...but when you sneak up on an open spring-hole at minus 20 and there are 15 ducks swimming in an area the size of your Kitchen... That's not Hunting. Too much of this " IF IT FLIES...IT DIES " mentality. Keep the good work going Mr. Yeo.

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    john roper
    - March 11, 2013 at 23:30:35

    i would like to see the season open 2 weeks later, the birds have to many pin feathers. and i would also like to see the outfiters gone. most local hunters can not get feilds and cant afford them because of outfiters. i thought hunting was a sport not a business. the 20th of december is a good time to stop hunting water foul.

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    Neil
    - March 11, 2013 at 22:37:05

    We don't have enough open water in early January to have a fair hunting season extension. I agree that the rules should stay as they are.

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    tim tonkin
    - March 11, 2013 at 19:33:26

    Agree 100% Keep the season the same length and allow Sunday hunting. What ever argument against Sunday hunting does not hold water in these secular times .

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    Stop the killing
    - March 11, 2013 at 17:18:49

    Does Yeo seriously think killing wildlife is showing respect for animals?Hunters for Conservation? Nonsense. Hunters kill because they enjoy it. Maybe they believe their own propaganda, but a lot of other people don't. Stop killing, Stop interfering with nature. Start showing some real respect for other beings.

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    EnviroHunk's Friend
    - March 11, 2013 at 16:46:58

    The season has been closed do to ice up before, so just because it says an end date on your license, doesn't mean that can't be changed. And believe me the number of hunters sitting in a blind in October will differ from the numbers in mid January, lol. I have faith that in this day and age CWS will not let the goose or duck become extinct. (Or Ducks Unlimited or Delta Waterfowl for that matter.) I have 3 sons and hunting is one of the very few great outdoor pastimes I can get them to do these days. It amazes me how they can love the outdoors and put down the electronics for a change. To me, the extended season is just a few days longer I get to enjoy some OUTSIDE time with my boys.

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    just quackin to hunt
    - March 11, 2013 at 16:46:14

    I have been a hunter for close to 40 years,and i've seen the rivers freeze over before the end of hunting season and wildlife officials closed the season early. so there is no big panic about ducks being slautered anyway thats the game wardens job to be on the lookout for people who try to abuse the limits . ask yeo what Nova Scotia thinks about the population of geese there they are almost overrun with birds and as for black ducks i don't think they would be hunted any harder by leaving the season open till the end of Dec. Yeo just likes to hear himself QUACK

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    Darrin Deveau
    - March 11, 2013 at 15:41:13

    I agree that the recommendation is crazy. I see a lot of black ducks on the river in front of my properties and they congregate around the small area of open water. Easy kill for sure....Looks like the CWS and province are clueless and lack the vision to truly make the correct decision here ...which is to change nothing

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      Hardcore Waterfowler
      - March 11, 2013 at 19:09:46

      I can assure you that hunting in winter conditions is not at all "easy", and only a few of us hunters would be equipt or even dedicated enough to try it. With milder winters being the norm, less ice means more ducks overwintering on PEI. With that, the opportunity exists to enjoy an extended season that, contradictory to what Mr. Yeo thinks, will not impact Black Duck populations on PEI. Increases in bag limits and season lengths are legitimate tools used in managing wildlife populations. With dwindling numbers of hunters in the Province, these proposed changes will likely have a very small impact on harvest levels overall.

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    Antichrist
    - March 11, 2013 at 15:10:31

    Allowing sunday hunting would help solve the both issues.

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