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EI savings targets, house calls not new, officials say amid ’witch hunt’ claims

Human Resources Minister Diane Finley THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld

Human Resources Minister Diane Finley

Published on February 28, 2013
Published on February 28, 2013
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Department says it found $128.7 million in 'fraudulent claims' in 2011-12

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Employment Insurance , Service Canada , Human Resources Department.And , OTTAWA , Prince Edward Island

OTTAWA — The federal government has been setting annual targets — with dollar totals — for investigators looking into improper Employment Insurance payments since 1993, say officials with the Human Resources Department.

And door-knocking by Service Canada officials, currently taking place at the homes of 1,200 EI recipients across the country, has been done regularly in the past.

Opposition claims that the Conservative government is on a “witch hunt” against the unemployed have dominated the House of Commons this week.

Human Resources Minister Diane Finley has responded by claiming that, “sadly, the New Democrats are only worried about people who are trying to cheat the system, people they call victims.”

The truth is that all sides are playing politics, to some extent.

Finley’s office arranged a background briefing Wednesday with officials from her Human Resources and Skills Development Department in an effort to defuse the roiling controversy.

And while the record proves that annual dollar targets — the opposition NDP calls them “quotas” — for rooting out improper EI claims are old hat, the record also calls into question claims of hundreds of millions of dollars in Employment Insurance fraud each year.

Last year, Service Canada’s “integrity” program saved or recovered $381 million in ineligible EI payments.

“The savings are not just fraud,” explained a senior departmental official, speaking on background. “We’re talking about error, abuse, but also future incorrect payment.”

“The most common type of error that we see and address through the integrity intervention, for example, are when clients make honest mistakes,” said the official.

The department subsequently claimed that out of the $381 million total saved in 2011-12, some $128.7 million involved “fraudulent claims.”

But the department did not make clear where mistakes end and the legal definition of fraud begins.

“We don’t track the number of individuals who have been charged with fraud,” said the official. “We track the number of dollars that were not eligible to be paid to clients because of their misrepresentation for benefits.”

All parties contend they want to see EI fraudsters caught.

The government, which has made significant changes to the employment insurance eligibility rules, is casting complaints about enforcement as tantamount to the protection of cheaters.

“They’re vastly overstating the extent to which there is a systemic issue in the system,” countered Bob Rae, the interim Liberal leader.

“I do not see fraudsters and cheats,” NDP critic Chris Charlton told the Commons, after calling EI enforcement a “witch hunt.”

“I see honest, hard-working seasonal workers who want the minister to explain why she is coming after them.”

The government response could best be summarized as follows: “Checks are run to ensure the integrity of the system, since the best guarantee for the future of a system is its integrity.”

That’s not Finley speaking. It’s a quote in the House of Commons by former Liberal minister Pierre Pettigrew in February 1999.

The Liberal government of the day was under attack after Human Resources documents surfaced that showed a $612 million “national savings objective” that year for the EI program.

Opposition MPs of the day, including Progressive Conservative Jean Dube, called the target a “quota” — a characterization the Liberals hotly denied.

However, documents at the time showed a thinly veiled threat to the EI office on Prince Edward Island, which was well behind on its target.

The Human Resources Department was “well positioned to avoid the 150 (full-time jobs) reduction to be imposed by Treasury Board if the target is not met,” said the July 1998 memo.

Today, there are new opposition allegations of “quotas” that Finley flatly denies.

“Service Canada does not have quotas that would carry negative consequences for staff who fail to meet them,” the minister said in an email message Wednesday.

“They do however have performance targets to help protect the benefits of the unemployed from fraud.”

Officials in the department did concede that top managers in the department do receive bonuses — known as “at risk” pay in the public service because it is withheld if targets aren’t met — based on the EI savings targets established each year.

Regional managers and field workers do not receive any bonuses, said the officials.

And as for those 1,200 house calls, officials are delivering letters requesting interviews.

An official said the home visit “Provides Service Canada officials with the opportunity to have a better understanding of the client’s personal circumstances.”

The department said in an email that it does not track every house call, but said “every year, including 2012, integrity officers across the country conduct home visits for specific cases on a regular basis.”

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  • Username
    Amazed
    - March 1, 2013 at 21:43:30

    This seems like a wonderful idea but it needs to be directed at the senate, firstly Mike Duffy.Why waste taxpayers money picking at paupers on EI when you can net millions .Imagine looking into Gazebo Tonys accounts or Dean Del Maestro,Bev Oda, Harpers million dollar car ferry op to India,Peter Mackays photo ops for F-35s and HOW MUCH UP FRONT to be on board this fantasy ride for non-existant aircraft never to be returned ,Canada Action Ad spending,Mulroneys lawsuit against taxpayers. Yes these Hell Hounds would be a great asset if they were released on more lucrative targets .

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    Bob From Beyond...
    - February 28, 2013 at 23:25:02

    Ya know, I'm not an "resident” Islander any longer, much to my displeasure, as my heart is certainly there, but I will always be there in my heart as well as every time I spend there with my family. I do not assume nor presume to have greater insight, so please do not take my suggestion incorrect, however, I will say that I feel, no, BELIEVE, that there is an "OPPORTUNITY" to take action against what is going on currently. I speak of this bully-based conservative (and I am by no means saying the l(small l)iberals nor others are any better)government, they MUST be held accountable. More directly, I think the opportunity is upon "YOU" as Islanders to "D-E-M-A-N-D", a petition to determine if the residents of P.E.I. require their federal senate rep, Mike Duffy, to resign. The reality is that it's difficult to see a "large hog" at the trough when so many other worthy of their fair share are actually giving up their portions (in tax donations) to prop up that "large hog"!!!

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    Rick
    - February 28, 2013 at 20:20:08

    Service Canada just hired this group of "Door Knockers" This project should be over in 490 hours. Just long enough to give them full stamps.

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  • Bill Kays
    Bill Kays
    - February 28, 2013 at 16:03:18

    Employees should start telling their employers that if the employer does not stand up against the government this time, it will be the employer on the EI list the next time. Who died and appointed Harper king? I hear there is a vacancy in Rome, perhaps Gail Shea or Harper would like to apply for that position as they seem to think they are God or next to God or at the very least next to perfect. Their day is coming. People this is tyranny. Can you folks at least pronounce tyranny even if you cannot recognize it. My grandfather must be rolling over in his grave at a government that treats people like things or objects. He used to tell me how great a country this is, but we have been overtaken at the highest levels of goverrnment by the power brokers that have always ruled this world. That's right, North America has been conquered by the large global megabanks. They are not even interested in money, only in power over people.

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    • Username
      To Bill Kays
      - February 28, 2013 at 19:32:25

      And Mr Bill Kays, who do YOU seem to think you are? Mr know-it-all?

  • Username
    just my opinion
    - February 28, 2013 at 14:53:29

    While they house visit may have always been in the rules...they were never actually followed and the question should be why? well for many reason.....all of which should be the same reason they are not done now. If a person is committing fraud, there are obviously other ways to catch them!

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    Dessy Hammill
    - February 28, 2013 at 13:53:28

    The home visit provides SC officials with the oppurtunity to better understand the clients personal circumstances. "Horse manure"! The client is most likely on EI because of a shortage of work. That should be all that is needed to be known other than the general information given during each claim period. You do not need to look inside someones home. Making a statement like that only tells me that you are on a hunt and gather mission.

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      Townie
      - February 28, 2013 at 15:50:36

      Most likely due to shortage of work. Do you see how you did not say always? They did these home visits long before these changes. Its supposed to keep people honest that are not included with most.

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    Matt
    - February 28, 2013 at 13:19:48

    Everybody knows you can't spell PEI without EI.

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    shirley
    - February 28, 2013 at 12:21:31

    Let islanders come knocking on our MLA's doors checking to see what they have been doing to receive this raise they seem to think they have earned. As far as I am concerned they have earned 0 dollars not one of them deserve anymore from our tax dollars. I am not on EI but feel for those who are and I think this is just a witch hunt on our gov. part.I know there is some who will misuse anything but for the most part ones on EI are hard working people too not like the ones in gov.who talk about work but would not recognize it if it bit them in the ass.

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