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Hold referendum on HST, taxpayers federation says

Charlottetown Rotary Club president James Travers, right, greets Canadian Taxpayers Federation spokesman Kevin Lacey during the club’s luncheon Monday at the Delta Prince Edward hotel. Guardian photo

Charlottetown Rotary Club president James Travers, right, greets Canadian Taxpayers Federation spokesman Kevin Lacey during the club’s luncheon Monday at the Delta Prince Edward hotel.

Published on February 12, 2013
Published on February 12, 2013
Ryan Ross  RSS Feed
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Charlottetown Rotary Club , Delta Prince Edward hotel , P.E.I. , Atlantic Canada , Charlottetown

The P.E.I. government should hold a referendum before it brings in the HST, says a spokesman for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

Kevin Lacey, the group’s director for Atlantic Canada, said it’s a major decision and taxpayers should have a say in whether it’s implemented.

“It may be the best policy but let taxpayers make that decision for themselves,” he said.

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) describes itself as a citizens’ group dedicated to lower taxes, less waste and accountable government.

Lacey was in Charlottetown Monday where he was the guest speaker at the Charlottetown Rotary Club’s luncheon at the Delta Prince Edward hotel.

During his speech, Lacey said he had four suggestions for ways to help ensure governments live within their means and give taxpayers more say in decisions governments make.

Islanders pay some of the highest income tax rates in the country and the province’s debt has been increasing too fast, he said.

“This isn’t Monopoly money we’re talking about.”

But when it comes to tax increases, Lacey said they should all be put to voters in referendums.

Lacey said the CTF is in favour of harmonized sales taxes because they are more efficient and less costly to administer.

“That being said, the issue here is, it is a revenue so it is not simply moving numbers around,” he said.

Along with referendums for tax changes, Lacey would like to see the provincial government bring in balanced budget legislation, which would include a penalty whenever it runs a deficit.

It’s not a new concept, but that type of legislation has met with mixed results with some provinces changing the legislation whenever the governments were running deficits.

Lacey used Manitoba as an example of a province where balanced budget legislation penalizes politicians with a loss to part of their salary when their governments run deficits.

It gives government an incentive to meet its targets, he said, and compared it to the business world.

“If people in business have a sales target and you don’t reach it then many who work commission don’t get the same salary that they would get otherwise,” he said.

Lacey also said it’s time to cut back on the size of government because the number of employees is growing too fast and is unsustainable.

“You can only squeeze so much out of taxpayers,” he said.

rross@theguardian.pe.ca

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  • Username
    David
    - February 13, 2013 at 00:45:53

    RIGHT!!!! Lets have vote on everything any government wants to do before they do it. Grow up for gawds sake...we all get our chance to vote on anythinga Government does every election. Let;s just see in a couple years where the Tory or NDP Parties stand on HST. If either one of them are serious contenders lets see IF they will committ to remove it should they get elected. Why would taxpayers be asked to spend a million or so dollars on vote whether they wanted something or not. Why than even have a government. The taxpayers federation should know better but it is all about getting in the media right?

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      intobed
      - February 13, 2013 at 11:52:41

      "Lets have a vote on everything any government wants to do before they do it." I think that is an excellent plan David. There should be far less government, and everything should be out in the open for Islanders to decide. Continuous polling, referendums, plebiscites, town hall meetings, discussions on local tv and radio, the list goes on. No more parties that follow the leader, instead we elect representatives that follow US! They work for us, not the other way around.

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      Bill Kays
      - February 13, 2013 at 16:03:00

      The trouble with your argument is this. The electoral process does not work the way it was originally set up. The political parties have been taken over by big business and this fact cannot be argued. So voting for one joker over the other joker gets us absolutely nowhere. Otherwise when the new guy gets voted in he would repeal the legislations passed by the former guy. BUT THIS NEVER HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE. Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves. The real question is this "can we really afford to maintain a government of this size in this day and age of instant communication"? The founding fathers went to a lot of trouble to try to maintain the balances of power but are any of those branches of government required today? Attach a voting box to my tv and eliminate the need for the number of elections that are currently in place. Reduce the size of government by 90% keeping only those needed to administer the services to the people that they are supposed to do. Get government out of the business of taking care of corporations and instead force them to do what they were elected to do ... serve the people.

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    The Observer from Stratford
    - February 12, 2013 at 21:38:18

    Yes we should have a referendum but we're not in the same situation as BC. BC has a provision for referendums if a certain number of people sign a petition in favour. PEI doesn't have such a regulation. I'd be interested to hear from the opposition parties if any of them would be willing to implement a similar law as BC has. (But I'm not holding my breath).

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  • Username
    Plan'b yet again . . .
    - February 12, 2013 at 20:49:47

    Islanders have been planb'd on the HST decision. Pure and simple . . .

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    BCfromBC
    - February 12, 2013 at 19:47:51

    In BC we were told that there would be no HST. 2 months after the Provincial Liberal Premier won power, they brought HST in against the will of the people. The people petitioned for a referendum, the government said no, and the government had to change its mind after lots of opposition from the people. The government then used tax-payer funding during the referendum to try and convince us to support it once again. This is when the people spoke. B.C. votes 55% to scrap HST B.C. Finance Minister Kevin Falcon said the government will now move to reinstate the PST with all of its previous exemptions. The transition is expected to take at least 18 months he said. Consumers paid an extra seven per cent tax on restaurant meals, airline tickets, funerals and haircuts — all items that were previously exempt from the PST. The feds agreed to pay the BC government 1.6 Billion to implement the HST in the province. They had to pay it back What will your government get paid from the feds to support HST in your province? I hope you will check on this disaster and its affects on the working people before you agree to it.

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    Just a cashier
    - February 12, 2013 at 19:40:59

    We should have the right to vote on wether or not we want the hst to come to pei. Maybe while they are at it, they should also raise minimum wages as when the hst comes to the island as were not going to have much of a choice its going to raise the cost of a lot of expenses like rent (mine already went up 40 due to hst comin out), electricity, gas, etc.

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  • Bill Kays
    Bill Kays
    - February 12, 2013 at 17:29:13

    Of course we should hold a referendum on this subject of the HST being implemented. But our government will not do it because that would mean empowering the people for a positive change. Government would have to relinquish some of the power it holds so dearly and I doubt it if the King would allow it.

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    Donnie
    - February 12, 2013 at 15:46:01

    While you're at it, have one on senate recall and holding ones for recall for non-representation for any elected officials of all levels of government!

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    disgusted
    - February 12, 2013 at 15:28:07

    Of course we should have a vote on this HST because when the last election was held the liberals said No to HST another Lie. I would also like to ask this question We all know the province is broke so how can we afford this big party with taxpayers money for the 2014 party ever where I turn someone is making application for something foolish on places to have a 2014 party for the whole year. Is there anyway to hold the MLA's to pay for this instead of the taxpayer. Oh yes we have no say. party on

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    johnny cash
    - February 12, 2013 at 12:48:18

    Rumor has it ghizz has a senate seat soon for selling us out, That he will resign to try to save the lieberals before the next election , from the small trough to the big one. If true it means he also thinks his bridges are burnt.

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  • Username
    POV
    - February 12, 2013 at 12:27:26

    DO IT UP!!!! With the recent idle no more movement and the scrapping of Bill C-30, the power is finally shifting back to the people as it should be. I'm tired of dictators, and definitely tired of dictator Ghiz. If the we the people can get a federal Bill scrapped...we can surely scrap the HST!!

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      Another POV
      - February 13, 2013 at 08:17:05

      You have absolutely no idea what a dictatorship is! Just a small note of difference. The federal bill was not going to put any $$ into the coffers.

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    John W.A.Curtis
    - February 12, 2013 at 12:15:24

    I support the HST but I don't want to use HST revenues to pay the 450 million dollar pension shortfall. I support a referundum , Alberta has to hold a referundum to apply sales taxes so why not P.E.I. ?

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      Joel Watts
      - February 12, 2013 at 12:48:44

      We held a referendum out he in BC over the HST and got it reversed. It cost the province millions of dollars and most people who voted to go back to PST had no idea how the HST really worked. Keep it.

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    Tom Paine
    - February 12, 2013 at 11:42:56

    We already had a referendum. It was called an election. The Liberals promised not to put in HST. Oops.

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    johnthames
    - February 12, 2013 at 11:40:03

    Clearly a referendum is required given Premier Ghiz lied about the HST. If he had not lied and told us last election we were getting HST then no referendum would be required, and Ghiz would probably still have won given the Tories disarray. So there you have it, give us referendum or give us recall. Just telling it like it is.

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    Quiet Observer
    - February 12, 2013 at 11:05:29

    Great ideas!!!!!

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    Resident
    - February 12, 2013 at 10:41:54

    No, the referendum would be an exercise of the Democracy. We run Autocracy here, and it doesn't jive with it...

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  • Username
    Excellent ideas. the people need to take action
    - February 12, 2013 at 10:35:35

    We need a referendum!!! These are great ideas and are very much needed on the Island. Some sort of accountability. Once the HST goes in, that will be it for Islanders. There is a small window of chance to stop this. We, as a people, need to take action.

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    Tom Paine
    - February 12, 2013 at 10:22:29

    taxpayers actually did vote on this. They voted Ghiz back in power. He said he wouldn't implement the HST.

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    NorEaster'
    - February 12, 2013 at 10:11:50

    Nice thought but Bobby and Wessy already have this income source spent.....

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    Marie
    - February 12, 2013 at 10:06:07

    With the HST coming on April Fools Day, it's a little late for meetings wouldn't you say!?! This government will have some interesting statistics on death one day...but in no case will they say they taxed the taxpayers to death.

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    Connor
    - February 12, 2013 at 10:01:39

    “This isn’t Monopoly money we’re talking about.” No, really? I never would have guessed that! What an astute observation!

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