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EI changes threaten to tear apart rural P.E.I., meeting told

The seasonal nature of Prince Edward Island’s economy was raised repeatedly during the 95-minute forum on EI changes in Alberton Thursday.

The seasonal nature of Prince Edward Island’s economy was raised repeatedly during the 95-minute forum on EI changes in Alberton Thursday.

Published on February 1, 2013
Published on February 1, 2013
Eric McCarthy  RSS Feed

All political stripes decried federal changes to the Employment Insurance system in Alberton meeting Thursday

Topics :
Employment Insurance , Human Resources , P.E.I. Coalition for Fair EI , Canada , Summerside , Prince Edward Island

ALBERTON — Alberton-Roseville MLA Pat Murphy would like to see Human Resources and Skills Development Canada Minister Diane Finley come to P.E.I. and spend a week in a fish plant or fishing oysters for a week.

That way, he said, “it might give her a whole new perspective on things.”

Provincial politicians of all political stripes attended a public meeting in Alberton Thursday night to decry federal changes to the Employment Insurance system, changes they say are taking money away from seasonal workers, tearing apart rural communities, forcing workers to move west and affecting seasonal employers’ ability to keep their skilled workers.

But the meeting, organized by the P.E.I. Coalition for Fair EI, was more about seasonal workers than politics. About 120 people turned out to voice their opposition to changes they say are reducing their EI cheques and widening the gaps between the arrival of their last EI cheque and when their seasonal jobs resume.

Louann Gallant from Miminegash said her claim will run out in April, eight weeks before her job starts up again.

Pointing out seasonal workers pay into the Employment Insurance system when they are working, Gallant said: “I think we all have to fight and we have to take a stand and fight for what’s ours, what we paid into. It’s not the government’s. It’s ours.”

Gallant said there would have been even a larger crowd at the meeting but some people were afraid to attend and express their views, afraid they would be penalized.

That concern was also raised by Malpeque MP Wayne Easter. He pointed out some people have the right to request to go back onto the old claim, but they are expressing concerns they will be targeted.

“That’s something I haven’t seen before, much of, in the 19 years I’ve been a member of Parliament, that actual palpable fear that’s there, of people who are afraid to speak out for their rights. That shouldn’t be happening in Canada.”

Easter condemned the federal Conservative stand that the changes allow people on EI to keep more of their part-time earnings. He said in most cases just the opposite is happening.

"I think we all have to fight and we have to take a stand and fight for what’s ours, what we paid into. It’s not the government’s. It’s ours." - Louann Gallant

“They’re worse off on the new system,” he said.

The EI system, Easter said, has made it possible to have a highly trained and highly skilled seasonal workforce that is there for the seasonal industry when the season opens up again.

“What’s wrong with that?” he  asked, going on to tell of a neighbour who now fears he will lose his seasonal workers because they will lose half of their day’s pay during the wintertime to work out west.

“These people were always there for him, and the system worked.”

Summerside businessman Robert Gallant said he lost three part-time workers for the same reason.

“I didn’t want to lose them, but I didn’t need them all the time,” he said.

Gallant said local economies, the hockey arenas and the churches all lose when people are forced west.

“Revenues are going to get worse,” he predicted.

“It’s worth the fight folks; we’re all in this together,” Easter advised the crowd.

“We need our seasonal employees to be available when we need them,” said an HR manager for a local fish plant.

She suggested the seasonal workforce is being punished by the changes.

“If there is abuse, deal with that, but don’t assume that everyone is an abuser,” she insisted, adding, “but that seems to be what’s going on.”

Donna Lewis, a crop scout, said she works with a lot of growers durng the farming season.

“I value the growers, I value my job, I value the industry and I think if I can’t return every year to my job I don’t know what’s going to happen."

The seasonal nature of Prince Edward Island’s economy was raised repeatedly during the 95-minute forum.

“It’s not our fault that we don’t plant potatoes and we don’t fish lobsters in the wintertime,” Evangeline-Miscouche MLA Sonny Gallant stressed.

Lori McKay, an organizer for the forums held in Souris and Alberton, said the coalition is getting calls requesting more forums.

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  • Username
    So Sad, Too Bad
    - February 4, 2013 at 09:21:36

    E.I. Abusers have created this problem and hopefully they will now be gone and the jobs and E.I. will be there for those that are hard working and honest.

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  • Username
    reality check
    - February 3, 2013 at 22:15:47

    PEI needs to have a major correction in its economy and that correction means eliminating EI for seasonal industries. My grandfather used to fish in the spring, farm in the summer and fall, and log in the winter. He had a farm machinery repair business, my grandmother ran a general store, and he also drove a school bus in his later years (after they closed the local school and created the regional school units). He never ever once used EI because it wasn't available back in his day and he told me that even if it had been, he wouldn't have used it. He ENJOYED being busy and found it puzzling why people started using UI (as it was called back then) as a way of life. Pogey should be abolished from Atlantic Canada. EI should be viewed as a very occasional and temporary system of assistance if you should happen to find yourself laid off. That's it.

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  • Username
    Holly
    - February 2, 2013 at 19:11:38

    There are plenty of jobs year round on PEI. Trouble is, EI pays as much or almost as much as many jobs. Why put the effort, gas and time on a min wage job when you can stay home and work on your house, crafts, volunteer work...or sit around and drink beer? There needs to be an incentve NOT to draw EI...perhaps better wages?

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  • Username
    sorry to point out the truth
    - February 1, 2013 at 19:12:46

    DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER --------------there are people in the world who follow the work market - they go where there is work --they do not stay at home and work when the right season arrives -- PEI is not friendly to workers and the seasonal worker is being replaced/threatened by the transient or immigrant worker --if you cannot find full time employment in your home then it is not friendly to you--there are too many workers on PEI many are summer seasonal ,many are winter seasonal (or spring or fall) at any time of the year there are people available under the table to do labour carpentry electrical plumbing etc etc Businesses want 50 or 60 or 70 or 80 dollars an hour to do semi professional work -- every body is complaining about miseable politicians and taxesand high prices and drunk drivers and the rich getting richer and no jobs availabl;e and all the foreigners coming in to take the jobs and the businesses complaining about the high minimum wages ETCETCETCETCETCETC ------------this little safe haven for the politically connected is just not a feasible economic base for most family units -----------but it is such a beautiful, gentle place to live complete with every poisonous spray you could ever think of

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  • Username
    Dufferdon
    - February 1, 2013 at 16:31:08

    Ghiz has got to go, be a man give it up,your not a leader!!

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  • Username
    idiots dont think
    - February 1, 2013 at 15:05:16

    You people who dont like having ei are all idiots i work year round and have the brains to know that ei is a part of pei if you have know one on ei who would cover all the work that is needed for the tourist that would cover all cavendish and many other places on pei who cater to tourist you would have no lobster processing no patato harvesting who would fix the roads when you are crying that their is a pot hole plus this would all equal no tourist on pei what would that mean hunderds of millions of dollers lost you would be made to pay taxas to the hilt to try to recover the millions lost . idiots idiots idots

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    • Username
      SAP
      - February 1, 2013 at 17:38:09

      Well, you can either pay extra taxes, or you can pay EI which you will never collect. What's the difference? Either way, It takes money from one group of people, and give it to others. Without the subsidy that EI gives, perhaps food prices would go up a bit, to allow those workers to make a little more money to last for a whole year, but many people are already paying EI premiums for these workers anyway. Either way, the public is paying, this is not magic money.

  • Username
    Liberals haven't created jobs in PEI
    - February 1, 2013 at 14:26:09

    I find it ridiculous that people are saying "I pay in $1 per year into the EI fund, therefore I should be able to withdraw $12 per year." That's nonsense. It's not fair to other workers that they have to pay into the EI fund off every paycheque simply because you can't find a job. The solution isn't better and longer EI claims, it's better and longer work terms. The provincial Liberals are sitting here blaming the feds but what have they done to create economic growth? How many jobs were created in PEI by the Liberal government in 2012? Did they create any jobs at all? I know they laid a few hundred people off, but did they create even a single job? Meanwhile, the Harper government has been making enormous investments in PEI through ACOA and federal programs designed to create jobs. That's what this is about. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. But to listen to these bellyachers you'd think it was all about EI. Turn to your Liberal MLA and ask them "What are you doing to create new jobs and what are you doing to stimulate economic growth in PEI?" They don't have an answer. Because they aren't doing anything.

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  • Username
    SG
    - February 1, 2013 at 14:13:41

    To all who are complaining about paying their share to the EI Program while never drawing EI - You do the same with your Car, Life, Medical Insurance. Do you want Islanders to stop drawing on those insurances also when they need them because they'll be getting more than they paid into the Program? This is how all Insurance Programs work! Instead of complaining that your not getting to use the contributions you make to EI you should be gratefuil that youj've never had to use the Program and had Employment! If you think EI is such an Undeserved Freebie you should Try It and find out how hard it is to make ends meet on EI. Increasingly more difficult on Welfare! I''ve never had to depend on EI and I'm grateful but I don't criticize, judge and put down others who had no other option or alternative. Yes there are some who will abuse all Programs but there are many more especially on PEI who truly NEED EI not because they dont' want to work but rather because they Can't Find Work. Not all Islanders are able to just pack up and move West! Why Should They Have To? Governments' should be working towards establishing more Business and Corporate Sectors which in turn PROVIDE JOBS for their population and also REVENUES for all Provinces! Don't Paint all people with the same Brush and Don't ASSUME you know what other People/Familes' Circumstances are unless you have a Crystal Ball. Personally I'm more than tired reading the put downs and criticism regarding Islanders' using the EI Program for it's intended purpose! Islanders are getting enough criticism re: Websites on this topic from Canadians Living West of N.B.

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    • Username
      Townie
      - February 1, 2013 at 15:49:37

      Then in that case, if its the same as car insurance, repeat users should have to pay higher premiums.

    • Username
      SAP
      - February 1, 2013 at 17:42:41

      That is not how insurance works. If your house burned down every year, they would quickly stop building you a new one. If you smashed your car every year, how many years in a row do you think they would replace it with a new one? The purpose of insurance is a calculated risk, that you will likely never need it, but if you do, it will be there to help. If you take out more than you put in on a continual basis, you would quickly find yourself uninsurable.

    • Username
      NoFaultInsurance
      - February 1, 2013 at 18:31:14

      You are correct when you mention the other insurances, but you miss one very important part of those insurances...... NO FAULT INSURANCE. If you have car accidents every year, you pay a bigger premium. If you have health issues, the health insurance company charges you a higher premium than those who do not have health issues. And, lastly, if you annually put claims in to your home insurance for damages, you can bet that your premiums will increase....to the point that eventually the insurance company will turn you down for coverage. Social welfare is for those who can not fend for themselves permanently or temporarily. There is nothing wrong with utilizing the social welfare system if it is truly needed. But the employment insurance system exists to help individuals overcome temporary unemployment, not to support a system of dependency. No one should be penalized or shunned for using the EI system when needed, but longterm repeat use begs for another solution, one that is politically difficult to bring forward but needed, just the same.

    • Username
      Rural PEI
      - February 1, 2013 at 18:58:58

      If they used half their efforts they are using to slash EI and cleaned up the WELFARE system on PEI I think they may be surprised at how much money they could save....This is so sickening!! I know so many people that draw welfare that are just as able to work as I am....

  • Username
    peier
    - February 1, 2013 at 13:06:52

    Know what Pat!!! I hae a better idea......have her come in the MANY months when these people are not working and watch them play.....like the fishermen driving around in their new trucks carrying new sno mobiles!!! Or the new big screen TV's that are the focus of attention for most of the year!!! (so long as they are home and not visiting Cuba or DR!!!) When are we going to come to grips that insurance is for those who loose their job through no fault of their own; not for those who plan to lose their jobs!! That is welfare and nothing else!!

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  • Username
    Just Wondering
    - February 1, 2013 at 13:05:17

    Lots of future politicians here today. So all of you screaming just find a job, it's what we do. So how do you all find time to get on here during the work day and spout off about you pay this much, what about me etc...etc. Does your employer let you access online content anytime, do the employers know you all are here posting. I just know in my seasonal job sitting at a desk tinkering on the internet when I should have been working would earn me one strike and you only get three. EI is here for everyone to access and as long as I am allowed to file a claim and use it I will. Would I like to work full time sure, would I like to have a cushy desk job where I could troll the internet all day and get paid...sure. In this day and age I don't think I would ever think any job is safe from the axe and only than would you realize for most of us EI isn't a way of life but a necessity just to get by.....never gonna get rich but just get by.

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  • Username
    Gerry
    - February 1, 2013 at 12:39:40

    I totally support legitimate reasons for claiming EI. However, why would someone choose to remain stuck in the same position year after year without any aspirations of ever seeking year round employment? Is it only beause it has become a lifestyle, or is there a self-imposed/misguided perception that the bar has been raised in terms of unattainable skills/training? It's time for the incessant repeat EI claimants to move over; and allow someone else the opportunity of seasonal employment, e.g. students who are willing to work toward funding their education which will eventually entitle them to sound employment anywhere; aka "investing in oneself."

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  • Username
    Up west er
    - February 1, 2013 at 12:36:42

    I think we should all just say the hell with it and let them take away the Ei that way they can have it all and when we do work let them have all our cheques too this is a disgrace too out province I know this though when election time comes around I know for a facti will never vote again thank you politicians of Canada

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  • Username
    Dundas Sue
    - February 1, 2013 at 12:29:52

    Did you ever think that one of the things the Harper Government wants is to pit neighbour against neighbour. If we are fighting over who gets a bigger piece of the pie we arent fighting to actually improve things, Maybe we need equalization paymnets maybe we dont; raise provincial taxes and lower federal taxes. We all know the "Boston States" were populaed by Maritimers who could not make it at home; this is not new. lets look at positive innovation AND lets look at a Tory defeat next election. Harper does not give two hoots but we do nand we can do it!

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    • Username
      Bertie
      - February 1, 2013 at 13:53:42

      Yeah but the Liberals are no better. They have proven that by backing every dime of tax cuts for the big corps that Harper put forward. And slashing EI bigger than the Tories just did. The Liberals are no tthe answer. And let us not pretend that they are. It is not all about big, bad Harper. There are plenty of wolves in red sheep clothing out there. Let us not fool ourselves.

  • Username
    NoFaultInsurance
    - February 1, 2013 at 12:11:31

    Simple answer... stop this crazy no fault mentality. If you work in a seasonal industry, you and your employer need to pay a much higher EI contribution rate as you (and your employer) 100% know that you will be living off EI in the off months. If you decide to retrain for better (year round) career opportunities or move to another location to better your lot in life, your EI rate should be adjusted accordingly as you have less probability to draw from the fund. Individuals and employers are welcome to continue with the seasonal business, but what comes with that business is not the possibility of seasonal working but the certainty of the seasonality. Pay a EI rate that is appropriate to that certainty, and the market will work itself out.

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  • Username
    rick
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:39:56

    beware of politicians, ---all they want is for you peasants to be grateful to them for mouthing off along with you. ---- as somebody said,- look at what we pay them, and look at their perks and pensions, - and tell me they are in it for us, --- all they want is re-election until they have maxed everything they can get, and then retire on the tit. thanks for nothing.

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  • Username
    How it is...
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:21:10

    Get Finley here so I can at least give her a piece of my mind on the Student Loans privacy breach...

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  • Username
    Snow White
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:18:23

    SAP commenter and others remind me of the for profit groups that get hired by Stephen Harper's Government formally known as the Federal Government which he legally changed the name of (Google it). PEI is a scary place for them and if the rest of Canada was even slightly as adept a part of politics the country woukld never allow a tyrant like Harper to take over!

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    • Username
      SAP
      - February 1, 2013 at 13:32:07

      I am no SH fan, and there are plenty of places government can and should be looking at being more responsible, but let's set that aside. "for profit" is not always a bad thing, if it is done fairly, and leads to responsible spending. You can't spend money you don't make. This is not free money, someone is paying for it, and that is money they no longer have to put towards other things. If you are more successful than your neighbour, would you allow me to take some of what you have, and give it to them? You could certainly always argue that many of the way EI has been abused over the years has been "for profit"

  • Username
    Full timer
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:16:37

    Clearly ,PEI is SEASONAL EMPLOYMENT, so,why is there so many Islanders "drawing POGY" in the summer? ( work cash all summer) but yet, they think that the government is " stealing" from them? Islanders are led to believe that EI is a right, not a privilege....... How many people do you hear say that they just want to work for their POGY? Too many, that's who!!! Which then leads to welfare, another system that PEI really needs "cleaned up"

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  • Username
    Carmen Young McGrattan, Ontario
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:16:19

    so, to Jesus C....taking the Lord's name in vain... because I doubt you are (hey-suse and of spanish decent)...HOW DARE you call people, who "have" to live off EI, LAZY..go work at their jobs and see how long and hard their day is..I've been there... 16 hr/day at herring season, lobster season, scallop season, groudfish season.. April to November or December, depending on Weather, and catches.... so please just keep your opinion to yourself, unless, like they say "you've walked in my Rubber Boots"..I spent 39 years of my life on PEI and about 23 of those, doing every job I could get hired for... and that was many different ones.

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    • Username
      Jesus C
      - February 1, 2013 at 14:03:59

      @Carmen Im walking in your rubber boots right now... except when im not fishing lobster i work rather then sitting on the couch. So dont tell me how "hard" you had it because im there now. Secondly, this is a public form which for the uneducated means that i can post my opinion for all to see and there is nothing you can do about it.

  • Username
    fred
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:11:21

    I think this should be like any other insurance ; Privately run. People should have a choice if they want to pay into it or not . The ones that pay into it ; get e.i. The ones that don;t pay into it / get nothing .That is how my other insurance policies work. That way the gov. don;t get their hands on all the surpluss that is accumulated . They stole 54 billion dollars out of the ei fund a few years ago .

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  • Username
    Mr. DressUp
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:04:43

    A Youtube channel with finger puppets representing all the different characters of the Harper government actually saying something that has not been scripted by Harper. Maybe we can control his puppets for a change and have them speaking our script like they are supposed to for a change.

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  • Username
    Clifford Smith
    - February 1, 2013 at 11:00:21

    Gail Shea the Harper hand puppet is not smart enough to realize that all small business will be hit hard by cutting Islanders off EI.

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  • Username
    Jesus C
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:50:38

    Im sick of the same people collecting the money that I pay in EI. I dont mind supporting people who need it but when you collect EI the same time every year, that means your LAZY.

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    • Username
      Lloyd
      - February 1, 2013 at 12:47:26

      Torn on this one simply because some change is necessary. It is not reasonable to expect a living on 14 weeks work year after year. On the other side of the ledger we don't want to leave rural PEI without a workforce. Perhaps offering incentive for improvement rather than punishment. Certainly if all the 14 week workers became 44 week workers that would be a good thing for them, local businesses and the public at large. I really don't believe most people are lazy they survive the best way they know how.

  • Username
    Quick to Judge
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:47:34

    You people are quick to assume everyone on EI is a seasonal employee to lazy to work for the rest of the year. What about the students that are trying to improve their job prospects and use EI to help with that. These changes are effecting them as well. It is making it more difficult for them to take the time off they need to improve themselves so they can stop going on EI and contribute to society by getting better jobs and higher wages.

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  • Username
    SAP
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:40:56

    Not all of this is the problem of the workers either, many "entrepreneurs" have used the EI system as a way to subsidize their labour, so they didn't have to try and figure out a way to pay people a wage that they could stretch over a year, or find another way to keep them employed. There are some farmers I know who find work for their employees year round to ensure they have good people available year after year. They are not as busy in the winter, but they find things for them to do.

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  • Username
    SAP
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:27:53

    I still can't get my head around the idea of taking out 4-5 times what you pay in, year after year, and still thinking it is "your" money. There are people who pay in and never or almost never take out, and if they do do, they have to work longer to get i, just because of where they live. Do they not have some say how "their" money is used?

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    • Username
      Tired Out
      - February 1, 2013 at 11:09:05

      I worked for over 40 years and could have chosen part time or seasonal, but did what I had to do to get fulltime work. In all those years, I never once drew EI, but I did pay into it every two weeks for those 40+ years. I feel sorry for people who lose their jobs and am happy that our country cares enough to help them through a rough spot. I look back to the years when fishers and their crews found other things to keep them in their homes and they had plenty to eat. I look back to the work the women did in the fish plants, and still found ways to make it through the winter. I am not saying it was easy, but those people appreciated Romeo LeBlanc's new legislation that enabled fishers as self-employed people to have the same benefits as those employed by others in other industries. Suddenly, EI became an industry of its own. Entire families on boats, rather than a captain and a helper. They put in the exact number of hours or weeks to qualify for benefits and then draw benefits for months. Who do they think is funding all of this? It is the steady guy (or gal) who makes a living 12 months of the year. They are funding the EI program. Let's not forget what it costs the employers also. I know that not all people who are seasonal workers are fishers, and I know the tourist and farming industries are a huge part of PEI economy, but people can and did survive before those programs existed. Have we generated a culture of entitlement amongst those who came from proud hard-working Islanders? I would hate to see anyone go without food or shelter, but it is hard to see why none of the people with so much time on their hands not find ways of becoming self-sufficient. I am sure there are a lot of very intelligent workers out there who could do well with some funding to upgrade education or to use programs already in place to try their hand at self-employment. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper to pay for training and/or financial support to start a business than to pay the same healthy workers annually to stay home and complain that their rights are violated.

    • Username
      Truth
      - February 1, 2013 at 14:29:24

      Exactly. It's like dropping a bucket of water into the ocean and then saying "Hey, back off, the Pacific is mine now."

  • Username
    spud
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:22:54

    Take all the politicians that were at the meeting and add up what they are going to draw for a pension and then ask your self do they really care about me!!!!!!! i think not.

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  • Username
    not happy
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:18:56

    All I have to say is GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! instaed of complaining and complaining why don't people be proactive and find another seasonal winter job OH by the way the money in EI is my money too becuase of us who work full or do what it takes to have a roof over my head my EI contributions finance you to sit home all winter I don't believe that is fair either There are jobs out there might not be what you are looking for or as much as you want but at least it is work and you never know where that job can lead to. Just saying

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  • Username
    Chucker
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:13:21

    Do not trust Sonny Gallant, Lawrence MacAulay or any Liberal with EI or anything about we lesser thans. They did far worse with EI a decade ago and under Justin they will be even more two faced.

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  • Bill Kays
    Bill Kays
    - February 1, 2013 at 10:03:28

    It is obvious that we have absolutely no say or influence whatsoever in our own destinies. ALL POLITICAL STRIPES means everyone here. It is time to get off the federal tit and go it alone. Government takes most of what we earn as we make it or spend it. A few times a year they make us feel good about everything by issuing tax rebate cheques or income tax refunds for overpayment. WELFARE is no good, but that is what trhis province has signed onto when we accepted the equalization payment scheme. Once the feds got us dependant on them (equalization payments is such a "warm friendly and just" term) then they knew they could incrementally control every aspect of our lives because we have little or no recourse of action. Like a drug dealer controlling his buyers behaviors so does the federal government control us, not govern us. Big difference between control and governance. Expect things to get much much worse fairly soon. Some people tell me I have a negative outlook on things, but I disagree. I see things as they truly are. Ask Wayne Easter how many walls and road blocks he runs into just trying to do the right thing? Why is it so hard to help people anymore? Why does government make it harder instead of easier to help out your neighbor? Almost all legislation passed these days is to protect the interests or profits of a particular interest or monopoly, in one way or another. It is very sad.

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