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Group clashes with bishop over bells

Stan Christoph of Christoph Paccard Bellfoundries points to a detailed etching on one of the 18 bells some hope will once again ring at St. Dunstan's Basilica in Charlottetown. Guardian photo by Jim Day

Stan Christoph of Christoph Paccard Bellfoundries points to a detailed etching on one of the 18 bells some hope will once again ring at St. Dunstan's Basilica in Charlottetown.

Published on January 24, 2013
Published on January 24, 2013
Teresa Wright  RSS Feed
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Charlottetown church , Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency , The Guardian , Charlottetown , Iceland , France

A group working to get the bells of St. Dunstan’s Basilica reinstalled is now clashing with the bishop of the diocese, who does not believe the bells are a priority.

The group has been raising money in an effort to one day hear the 18 historic bells pealing once again from the steeples of the landmark Charlottetown church, which is also a National Historic Site.

Catherine Hennessey, who is spearheading the fundraising committee, says they are motivated by the cultural enhancements the bells would add to the city.

“The bells would add jubilation to the downtown,” Hennessey said.

But Bishop Richard Grecco of the Diocese of Charlottetown is not on board with the idea.

Despite several appeals from the committee, including a sit-down meeting with Charlottetown businessman Kevin Murphy, who is also part of the pro-bell group, Grecco has remained firm the bells are not a priority for the church.

He maintains that even if they were, diocesan engineers have advised the bells cannot be reinstalled without causing structural damage to the basilica.

That’s why he has placed a notice in church bulletins across the Island, advising parishioners of his concerns over the proposed bell project, calling the committee pushing for it an ‘unauthorized group.’

“These concerns have been explained, yet this unauthorized group persists in their efforts,” the bulletin notice reads.

It further advises the diocese does not support any fundraising campaign for the project, should individuals be solicited for donations.

Grecco said Thursday he is concerned the group fundraising for the bells may interfere with fundraising efforts by the church for other priorities and projects officially identified as important or necessary.

“I’m telling the people please, stick with the priorities of the parish,” Grecco said.

“And if you give monies, you should be aware that they don’t have permission to do it and they don’t have proprietary rights over the bells.”

But Hennessey points out the bells were originally donated to St. Dunstan’s in 1927 by parishioners and members of the community. Inscriptions on the eight largest bells denote this, according to an article in The Guardian dated March 16, 1928, when the bells finally arrived in the city from the Paccard Bell Foundry in France.

Hennessey says her group envisioned this as a potential 2014 project, and was even in talks with ACOA (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency) as a prospective funding partner.

These are not funding sources the church or the diocese would normally be eligible for, so the project would not get in the way of other church fundraising efforts, she said.

“We saw an opportunity for dollars from places the church itself would not be able to access,” Hennessey said.

“We looked at it as a cultural gift to the church and to the community as a whole.”

Her group has been working with the original manufacturers in France, who have a proposal for how the bells could be reinstated within the basilica’s belfries.

Nonetheless, Grecco says he has a report saying the bells had to be removed in the first place because they were jeopardizing the stability of the steeples.

“Even if there were funds for the bells, we can’t put them back in the steeples,” Grecco said.

“Imagine if people started donating and then finding out (the group) didn’t even have authorization from the parish to do it, so we had to clarify.”

Hennessey says there could be other options for the bells than leaving them to gather dust in the basement of St. Dunstan’s parish rectory.

“It is unfortunate we failed to convince the bishop of the contribution the bells would make to our community and his church,” she said.  “But I know the bells will ring again.”

 

twright@theguardian.pe.ca

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  • Username
    concerned islander
    - January 26, 2013 at 00:53:45

    I cannot believe people are so naive to believe what the Bishop is saying....let Bishops be Bishops and take care of their flocks and sermons; and Structural Engineers look after what they are educated and paid to do!!!! We have one of the top engineering marvels of the world right in our back yard - a nine mile bridge to New Brunswick - do you seriously think for one minute that although our Engineers have the intelligence to build a bridge between provinces, that they can't figure out how to hang a few bells ? (and build the supporting structure). Does this ring a bell for anyone ? To all you non-believers, five Hail Marys - AMEN.

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    grumpie
    - January 25, 2013 at 21:26:34

    i think most of you are right, if the steeple isnt safe, accept it move on, for those of you , and i believe if you are or not catholic, we all use to hear those wonderful bells, wouldnt it be better to build another tower, with steel frame to support the bells, the outside could be of wood or stone or a combination of.

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    Rita P
    - January 25, 2013 at 17:09:59

    The Church should not be run by One Head Honcho. The Church belongs to the People. When I was a child many years ago the Church Bells rang at Seven in the evening and that meant I was to go in the house for the rosary.I can still hear those Beautiful Chimes. Bishop Boyle was the Bishop in Charlottetown then and what a Saintly man he was to all the children who would drop in to see him at the Palace after school and of course to get a Holy Card.He always reminded me of Jesus by sitting there with his long gown with children all around him asking us about school and giving us Fatherly advice. Bring Back the Bells and let the Chimes Ring Out for all to enjoy. God Bless

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  • Username
    What?
    - January 25, 2013 at 16:17:38

    Never, in the history of humanity, has one person ever "created division and confusion". Those features are always driven by people, never a person.

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    FM
    - January 25, 2013 at 15:48:43

    This Bishop is not interested in looking at opitons with the parishoners or community. He wants to continue the Church doctrine - "who said the Catholic Church is a democracy!!" Catherine H. - keep up the advocacy.

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  • Username
    SG
    - January 25, 2013 at 14:34:23

    I agree with the idea of building another structure outside the Basilica for the Bells if they would cause structural problems in their original location. The Basilica and the Bells are a part of Island History. The Bells are as much a part of the Basilica and it's History as the Stained Glass Windows. Keep the Bells. There are many Parishoners who listened to the Bells Ring as Children. These Bells for many Charlottetown Residents' were a part of their childhood History. We have a late 18th century Grandfather Clock that doesn't work. We haven't found anyone who can fix it. However it still stands proudly in our home as a part of our Family History and we won't be getting rid of it. Let the Bells Ring! If not Inside then Outside rather than become a Distant Memory! Where do I Donate?

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  • Username
    Power to the parishioners
    - January 25, 2013 at 13:42:39

    It would be a simple matter to have a structural engineer examine the bell tower and it’s foundation. This engineer could also specify any remedies needed to make the structure sufficient to re-accept the bells. The fund raising group could add the cost of repairs to their goal! Don’t give up! These bells have seen a lot of Bishops come and go. This Bishop will also go once his term expires. Better luck next time!

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  • Username
    Where are the engineers ?
    - January 25, 2013 at 12:30:56

    If the people who have the expertise say the bells can be reinstalled, I`m all for it ;if not place them somewhere else.

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  • Username
    lester
    - January 25, 2013 at 12:05:03

    I'm sure with todays technology and engineering the steeples could be made to support the bells. If it was ST Peters Cathedral would they fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Username
    unowho
    - January 25, 2013 at 10:59:46

    The bells at St. Mary's in Montague are outside the front entrance of the church.Love to hear the bells ring.

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  • Username
    catherine is wrong
    - January 25, 2013 at 10:29:48

    I think Catherine hennessey is wrong on this one... she may be good on some things but on this issue she is doing nothing but creating division , confussion and in a very distasteful way....she should just back off.

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  • Username
    Knight
    - January 25, 2013 at 10:18:02

    Wake up people. Kevin Murphy and his committee did this without the backing of the church. It would be like his committee deciding to put a coal yard on your property because there used to be one there. Arrogance personified!! The Bishop has stated the church cannot accept the bells structurally...end of story. If Mr. Murphy wants to raise money for something why doesn't he start to pay the Government back, from what I am told he is far over the amount you are allowed in grants and loans. Maybe he could use his PNP money to put the bells on his properties. Some peoples children.....

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    A concerned parishioner
    - January 25, 2013 at 10:11:56

    I agree with Justwondering. Why could a separate structure not be built on the church grounds to house these beautiful bells. This is a Win - Win situation. The churchs structure is not damaged and the cost is not coming out of the Churches budget (that whould make Bishop Grecco happy) and the people of Charlottetown would get to hear these beautiful bells once again. It is nice to see that there are still people around who deeply care enough about our history to go the extra mile to keep it intact. Arguing and fighting amoung ourselves (supposid Christians) is not the way to go. Personalities, egos and personal agendas should be left at the door before entering the meeting room. Compromise! Come to some solution that would benefit all. The members of the church, the poeple of Charlottetown and the Church itself. Bishop Grecco, you are the Churches leader. You are there to tend and care for your flock. Don't put up a brick wall cutting them off from you and the Church. All involved in this matter should do some seroius praying and soul searching and come up with a solution. May the Lord be with you in your search for a compromise.

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    Frank
    - January 25, 2013 at 10:07:40

    The Steeples held the bells in 1928,Now in 2013 they cannot support the bells something not right here. Glad Bishop Grecco was transfered from Toronto to P,E,I.We had air conditioning installed in our Church last summer maybe if Bishop Grecco was here we whould not have it . Cool Frank....

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    J. Arsenault
    - January 25, 2013 at 09:40:41

    If the building can't structurally hold the bells, why not build them into a bank of stone in the yard near the front of the Basilica. I've seen this someplace else and it looked beautiful and probably less costly.

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    Adolphus
    - January 25, 2013 at 09:16:53

    Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. There is no mention of requiring bells; nor steeples.

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    voter
    - January 25, 2013 at 09:13:48

    if these committee members miss the sound or want to attract customers to the area with the sounds or if it is just historical nostalgia-i suggest a sound track of similar sounding bells on top of the murphy nunnery next door or some of the other murphy buildings near the church - they could charge everyone a dollar and a half just to listen !!!! as far as the Bishop's stance : at least he has a sound reason that installing the bells would cause structural damage

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    Concerned Islander
    - January 25, 2013 at 07:51:26

    Very dissappointed to hear of the Bishops arrogant and bold actions to try to stop a reputable committee of bringing the bells back. I think it is a fabulous idea and would support anyone who asked for financial contributions to make this happen. Church bells have been ringing for centuries in churches worldwide and the Bishop cannot convince me or anyone else that there is not a safe way to make this happen again. Stop this man's arrogance. I hope the Committee continues to push forward. There are priests - including Bishop Grecco - who are residents in the newly renovated St Dunstans place next door. Maybe he is concerned the bells will disturb his afternoon nap! Sometimes i wonder about the Diosese priorities. they areavery rich organization. then there's the Sisters of St Marthas who have dedicated their entire lives to charitable service to the peole of PEI and recently lost their home on Mt edward Road and the remaining sisters are now split up and have been sCattered among modest apartments in Chatlottetown. Where's the respect and honour to all their hard work. I recently heard they have a little spot in the 'basement of St Dunstans place for their meeting - that the place has very little heat and that their pipes froze recently. Where is the gratitude for all their years of charitable service to the people of PEI? ??????? I realize im off topic here but im taking this opportunity to identify other 'concerns' with decisions that have been made. BRING THE BELLS BACK - Catherine Hennessey and Kevin Murphy - thank you for being a voice for who i believe are the majority of Charlottetown and PEI residents who would support this. I certainly believe there is a safe way to make this happen - and using 2014 ACOA funding is a brilliant idea!!!

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    • Username
      The Graduate
      - January 25, 2013 at 09:37:50

      Please get your facts straight on Mount Saint Mary's. The building has not been sold and over 50 nuns live currently at that residents. Are you supporting Hennessey/Murphy in ruining the steeple and maybe the church.

    • Username
      SPOILED CHILDREN
      - January 26, 2013 at 02:07:58

      "CONCERNED ISLANDER" you have a lot to say, seeming to know much, but I never read more hooey coming out of apparent ignorance, especially your "ignorant" (lacking correct knowledge) judging something and someone you know next to nothing about. You sound like a well-meaning but rather spoiled child. We are blessed to have Bishop Grecco in our diocese. Who else would want his responsibilities? -- Also, on a different note, my personal peeve: anyone who uses multiple question marks and exclamation points for emphasis, shows his/her ignorance without needing to say, or write, another word! Bells or no bells, as much as I value and appreciate the endless contributions to PEI Heritage by Catherine Hennessey, I believe the Bishop is right in this case, and he has been given authority in his diocese.

  • Username
    Catholic
    - January 25, 2013 at 07:27:51

    I would suggest the Bishop step back and think about what he is saying, millions of dollars have been wasted paying lawyers to cover up sex scadals and other matters, so drop your view and focus on what this group are trying to do.Would be great to hear the bells ring again, End of story.

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  • Username
    Charlottetown Observer
    - January 25, 2013 at 00:04:20

    Stick those bells where the sun don't shine. Who, in this day and age, needs to hear those bells pealing out the message "come to church" in light of the true history of that organization being opened for all to see? Well, at least those that are not afraid to see. Catherine Hennessey and Kevin Murphy certainly don't speak for me.

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    RUSSELL SMITH
    - January 24, 2013 at 23:45:48

    I agree with the Bishop, that if it would cause damage to the steeple of the church, then we should support our Bishop; maybe and hopefully they can be displayed in another manner, where the public can see and hear the bells to everyone's satisfaction; it seems a shame to let these monumental idems just gather dust and not put out for people to see Much money has been spent on this one church over the years and maybe there are other priorities for the rest of the diocese and if and only if the Bishop agrees maybe a fundraiser can be done to erect something that will be a compromise.

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  • Username
    WE NEED these BELLS
    - January 24, 2013 at 23:27:21

    Let the people have their way..put them some where else on the grounds......they would be an out reach to residents of the city..........lets find a solution here..confrontation in the Catholic church leads to isolation and disunity...... this is not acceptable in today's enviroment........listen to the people........they pay the bills.....

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    Mr Grecco
    - January 24, 2013 at 22:00:45

    The Catholic Church is one of the richest organizations in the world-there has been much cover up and denial in the Catholic church in the past years...let the people raise the money for the Bells.

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    • Username
      Justwondering
      - January 25, 2013 at 04:59:53

      What about installing the bells at ground level? Cheap alternative, structure of the church would not be compromised???? It would be great to hear these bells ring throughout the city!!!

    • Username
      LA
      - January 25, 2013 at 08:31:28

      What does your opinion of their worldwide activities have to do with the fact that this building in Charlottetown is structurally unable to sustain the bells?

  • Username
    UPWESTER
    - January 24, 2013 at 21:55:00

    It is not the Bishops' church.It belongs to the parisoners. They allow him to work out of there.He should have no say in it.

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    Gerard W.
    - January 24, 2013 at 21:54:53

    I agree with the Bishop, if he has documated evidence that placement of the bells could cause damage to the Church structure, just let it rest at that. Maybe there are much lighter bells out there that could be installed that would not damage the structure.

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