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P.E.I doctors make less than the rest in Canada

P.E.I. doctors earned on average $236,000 in 2010-2011. Photo special to The Guardian.

P.E.I. doctors earned on average $236,000 in 2010-2011.

Published on January 23, 2013
Published on January 23, 2013
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Canadian Institute for Health Information , Canada , Prince Edward Island , Nova Scotia

Doctors on P.E.I. make less on average than all their counterparts right across the country.

The average gross clinical payment in 2010–2011 was more than $307,000 per physician, according to a new report by the Canadian Institute for Health Information. At 3.1%, this was the smallest increase in the last five years.

At the provincial level, average earnings ranged from lows of $236,000 in Prince Edward Island and $250,000 in Nova Scotia to highs of $340,000 in Ontario and $350,000 in Alberta. The averages were not adjusted to account for provincial variations in the number of part-time physicians, locums or visiting specialists.

Payments to physicians in Canada for clinical services exceeded $20 billion in 2010–2011.

CIHI reports that payments for these services grew by six percent in 2010–2011, less than the growth seen in 2008–2009 (9.7%) and 2009–2010 (7.9%).

Spending on physicians remains the third-largest source of health care spending, behind hospitals and drugs.

For the first time, this year’s annual report on physician compensation, National Physician Database, 2010–2011, presents the average gross clinical payment per physician, including fee-for-service payments and alternative payments (including salaries, contracts, payments per hour and payments based on the number of patients in a physician’s practice). This provides a more comprehensive picture of how much doctors are paid. Previously, CIHI’s average payment indicators were based on fee-for-service payments only.

“The new metric provides a much clearer picture of physician compensation in Canada,” says CIHI’s Jean-Marie Berthelot, Vice President, Programs. “This information will support governments and physicians in discussions about compensation.”

 Canadian physicians across the country delivered more than 245 million services—ranging from annual physicals and diagnostic tests to surgical procedures—that were paid for through fee-for-service billings. While nearly three-quarters of the services provided by physicians were for consultations and visits, these services accounted for only about two-thirds of total clinical payments.

The average fee-for-service payment was $54 (5.3% increase over last year). This was a smaller increase than the previous two annual increases (7.1% in 2009–2010 and 6.8% in 2008–2009). Family physicians billed an average of $40 (3.6% increase), while specialists billed $74 (6.8% increase) per service.

 

 

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  • Username
    TO SPARTICUS sic
    - January 24, 2013 at 21:26:11

    Why would you actually visit this place that you imply is so inferior -and all potatoes? If you can't find beauty here in a place like this gem of an Island, what makes you think you would recognize good cuisine fare-- even good potatoes? Next time you are in our neighbourhood, do you realize you are contradicting yourself? Thanks for the laugh SpartAcus. Oenomaus

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    TO SPARTACUS
    - January 24, 2013 at 13:48:42

    Just take a leisurely drive from one end of PEI to the other in spring, summer or autumn, and open your eyes! ... and as for down-home cooking we're not talking restaurant or take out, packaged or canned whatevers! We're talking Mom's and Dad's pantry and kitchen stove, Mom's and Dad's cooking and baking, and helped by Junior and Missy. This is PEI!

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    • Username
      SPARTICUS
      - January 24, 2013 at 18:11:03

      So, can you post your adress here so the next time I'm in your neighbourhood I will drop in for some down home cooking?

  • Username
    merge the maritimes
    - January 23, 2013 at 23:32:12

    Maritime Union..... one single health care system for this region. One health card that can be used anywhere in the region. If you have a health issue requiring a specialist and you live in PEI, you just go to that specialist in Halifax or Moncton or Saint John without having to beg borrow and plead with some hick political flunkie in Charlottetown. You just GO and you flash your Province of the Maritimes health card and you get your service. And doctors working in PEI, Bathurst, Port Hawkesbury, St Stephen or Yarmouth would all get paid the same level. None of this inter-regional difference. Maritime Union would solve a lot of our health care issues in PEI.

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      SAP
      - January 24, 2013 at 10:34:47

      I agree a MU would be a great idea, but the time for it has passed. It should have been done long ago. Now, it cannot work, due to NB bilingual policy, which makes no sense in the other two provinces based on population, as well as financially, NS, while not exactly rolling in money, is still better off than the other two, and I doubt they would be interested in taking on the extra burden of helping PEI with their financial mess. An almost $50 toll would have to be discussed as well, and highest power rates, because surely that would keep islanders at a disadvantage, even if we were part of the "same province" And lets not forget about islanders "identity" good luck overcoming that.

  • Username
    so
    - January 23, 2013 at 19:58:09

    so does every other profession outside two law firms,We all pay the highest taxes and have the lowest wages.Wes only talks of the Alantic average when he wants tax revenue.....NEVER when it comes to wages,,,,,Never when it comes to Income Tax deductions.

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  • Username
    YES BUT
    - January 23, 2013 at 18:49:59

    Many of those doctors who make more in other provinces can't wait to get to PEI to spend their vacations, to get beauty, rest and relaxation, peace and quiet and real down-home meals and hospitality. Lots of good wholesome entertainment, and more. Visitors, especially doctors, spend lots of hours golfing and sailing, what more could they wish for, not only for themselves but also for their families, young children especially. It's all here!

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    • Username
      SPARTACUS
      - January 24, 2013 at 12:30:19

      That can all be done in any province, and a lot more. Stop deluding yourself into thinking PEI is this great province. You shoul get out a bit more and visit any province. In 50 words or less, tell me why PEI is the prettiest province in Canada. Once you have seen one potato field, you've seen them all. What do you consider down home cooking, french fries with the works?

  • Username
    too bad
    - January 23, 2013 at 18:12:05

    AWW those poor doctors, trying to live on 236,000 a year, when the minimum wage per year is only a little over 20,000 . Maybe the gov should invest in helping out the people of PEI instead.

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      SAP
      - January 23, 2013 at 20:58:52

      You DO realize how much work they have put in to being a doctor, right? They can get employment anywhere they want, so why would they go somewhere they will make less money? Maybe the people of PEi should do something to help themselves out. I think the government is totally wasteful, but with the demands people make regarding healthcare, this is one area most would not like to see them slash.

  • Username
    Professional groups
    - January 23, 2013 at 18:08:18

    It is no surprise that physicians are payed less than those in other provinces. It is known that other professional groups are under paid. That is the price paid for working in PEI.

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  • Username
    Because Ghiz promised he would get doctors
    - January 23, 2013 at 17:58:39

    @Davmacd..............Ghiz promised to come up with Doctors to get elected and while I agree PEI tends to be at the lower end of the pay scale but certainly not for accountants and lawyers who ghiz has hired by the busload. Stewart McKelvey just charged 256,000 for ten hours in court and 3 hours prep time. The rates the immigrants paid is ten times the Toronto rate. Doctors are in bigger demand and we must be competitive or stay short suited as we were when Ghiz made the "PROMISE". dear DavMac we need accountability on election PROMISES. dig it

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    Peter Llewellyn
    - January 23, 2013 at 16:58:06

    " The averages were not adjusted to account for provincial variations in the number of part-time physicians, locums or visiting specialists" We use a lot of Locums on PEI and many of our specialists come from Moncton or Halifax, which would seem to increase the number of Doctors in the survey which would reduce the AVERAGE salary on paper .I would like to see the adjusted numbers and find out if we are paying enough to attract Doctors ??

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  • Username
    Why
    - January 23, 2013 at 16:33:44

    Why should they be any different than anyone else? How many jobs on PEI are equal or above the national average?

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  • Username
    Nucky
    - January 23, 2013 at 16:25:40

    We have to pay for the unnecessary bureaucracy of Health PEI. And the political agendas of dudes like Ghiz and Currie. And still we have one of the worst health systems in the country. Everything screwed up at once. Truly amazing.

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  • Username
    just an opinion
    - January 23, 2013 at 15:34:35

    A doctor in a heavily populated urban area like Toronto or the very large cities may be very well entitled to make more. They deal with many other factors than Drs may see here, are exposed to modern and newest equipment and procedures etc. They must be up on it. They earn their keep and to be an effective doctor must keep up on the very latest.They see a wider variety of people and conditions due to the odds in a heavily populated market. Not to begrudge a doctor here a fair salary. Many occupation in the very large cities deserve more, police officers too, for example.

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      LONGTIME PATIENTS
      - January 23, 2013 at 20:10:03

      Our family doctor certainly earns every bit of his pay. The amount of money he receives will never outweigh the good he has done for our family, and we're only one! I'd be happy if he would receive double his present pay. He's worth a lot more than those highly paid hockey players, for example. Our doctor can do more for the common good than they ever can.

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    sheepstack
    - January 23, 2013 at 15:05:53

    Those poor doctors. How on earth can anyone be expected to survive these days on $236,000?

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    Dave MacD
    - January 23, 2013 at 13:49:40

    But is that not an incentive to see more patients? Would that not lead to longer waits in the clinic and dr's wanting you to come back every 30 days for prescription refills for no good reason. I question if that policy benefits patients.

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    Captain Canuck
    - January 23, 2013 at 13:40:32

    Well I wouldn't work in PEI for only a quarter of a million a year.

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    SG
    - January 23, 2013 at 13:13:32

    IMO the problem is we have too many Rural Hospitals and Clinics on PEI. If we can't Stafff our two main Hospitals re: Specialists, Doctors, Nurses, LPNs and other needed services and technology why would Doctors want to practice on PEI for a lesser Salary and longer hours? IMO Islanders are creating their own fate re: Health Care and Hospital Services.

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    SG
    - January 23, 2013 at 13:03:13

    Could this be the reason PEI can't find Doctors, Specialists and another Oncologist desperately needed for our Cancer Centre? I also doubt this Headline will do much to entice Doctors working in larger Centers to apply for positions on PEI.

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    Dave MacD
    - January 23, 2013 at 12:35:41

    As I read this there are 3 comments are 2 blame Ghiz; how is it his fault? It is very clear that Islanders do not want to reduce access to health care and every tiny community wants a clinic/hospital/emergency room, seriously, where does it end? Some veryhard and unpopular choices need to be made with Island health care, and many Islanders need to be more realistic. With the status quo, how can PEI be anywhere but at the bottom of the Canadian pay scale?

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  • Username
    Quiet Observer
    - January 23, 2013 at 11:38:29

    Trouble attracting new doctors to PEI - do we need to wonder why? Nope, it's right here in print.

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    Dufferdon
    - January 23, 2013 at 10:58:20

    Now there is an incentive to attract Doctors.It seems we are at the bottom of anything that is good for the Island population. And the top of the negative list, great job Premier.

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    S. Meyers
    - January 23, 2013 at 10:52:51

    I am not surprised that these numbers are now being floated out there. The last time I looked at the date we are now in the year of 2013. Most of this data is not what is being paid today. What should be posted is how many salaried doctors that are on PEI as opposed to fee for service doctors. It should be noted that these salaries that are published now is the base pay and does not include the extra fees that they receive and most of the time those fees are higher than these base salaries. If I sound like I am against doctors you may be right but just the lazy ones, who are sucking the system dry and don't see as many people at all . If you take a look at the number full time doctors that work at the hospital in Ch"town and how many people they see ever day you will no what I mean.If the Minister of health Doug Currie was serious about his position he would eliminate salary doctors and have fee for service doctors here on PEI. But it is quite clear that Doug is not going to rock the golden goose because he doesn't want to loose his profolio . BC has done that boy dig the cost go done but the number of people go up with the end result BC got rid of the lazy doctors and the taxpayers receive better care.

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  • Username
    just another failure by Ghiz clown show
    - January 23, 2013 at 10:16:23

    So all the money that Ghiz "says" he is saving on drug purchases should go to funding Health Care so maybe Ghiz could find some doctors. This article will cut in half the doctors who even look at PEI.

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      UPWESTER
      - January 23, 2013 at 12:01:32

      So now you know why all these doctors are opting to open walk in clinics...fee for service, a licence to print money. In order to come up with the extra money, they are closing rural hospitals and ERs.

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