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Fight for PNP list cost taxpayers over $256K

The CBC won an appealed of a decision of P.E.I.'s freedom of information and protection of privacy commissioner that would have kept secret the names of those who received money through the Provincial Nominee Program, also known as PNP Guardian photo

The CBC won an appealed of a decision of P.E.I.'s freedom of information and protection of privacy commissioner that would have kept secret the names of those who received money through the Provincial Nominee Program, also known as PNP

Published on December 11, 2012
Published on December 11, 2012
Teresa Wright  RSS Feed
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Innovation Department , CBC , Supreme Court , P.E.I. , Iceland , Canada

The P.E.I. government spent over $256,000 in legal fees trying to keep the list of companies that received PNP immigrant investor payments private.

The Guardian filed an access to information request asking for this figure last month after the list of Provincial Nominee Program recipient companies was finally released.

The Innovation Department released the information to The Guardian this week via routine disclosure. It shows costs incurred from 2008 to the present associated with Freedom of Information requests asking for the list of PNP companies — including lawyer, court, consultant and administrative fees — totals $256,203.

Opposition innovation critic Hal Perry said he believes spending this amount to keep the list of PNP recipients private was a misuse of taxpayers’ money.

“We want to know what did the government have to hide in going to the extent of hiding the information from the Island public?” he said.

“Islanders wanted to know and we were really concerned that this government was not upfront about their mismanagement of the Provincial Nominee Program, and those issues continue to arise.”

The list was first requested through Freedom of Information requests filed by several parties back in 2009.

The department at that time received legal advice saying it should notify the recipient companies, asking whether they would give their permission to have their names included in a list for release.

No one was made available for an interview from Innovation Tuesday, but an emailed statement from the department said the decision was made to withhold the list after receiving feedback from the PNP companies.

“Following consultation with hundreds of third parties, government upheld its statutory responsibility outlined in section 15.1 of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act which states, ‘The head of a public body shall refuse to disclose personal information to an applicant if the disclosure would be an unreasonable invasion of a third party’s personal privacy.’”

This was appealed to the privacy commissioner of the day, Judy Haldemann. In 2010, she upheld government’s decision to withhold the names of PNP businesses.

But the CBC appealed this ruling via a judicial review, arguing Haldemann erred on several points in her decision including the assumption harm would be incurred by the PNP businesses in being identified as beneficiaries of the program.

Supreme Court Justice Wayne Cheverie agreed with CBC.

“I find (Haldemann’s) decision to uphold IIDI’s refusal to disclose the corporate names indefensible upon the facts of law and therefore not reasonable,” Cheverie wrote in his decision.

The fact government’s arguments were ultimately were struck down by Canada’s highest court shows that the money spent fighting requests for the PNP list could have been put to better use, Perry said.

“Two-hundred and fifty-six thousand dollars is a huge amount of money,” he said.

“That money could have gone a long way in supporting the small and medium sized businesses here in P.E.I.”

Nonetheless, the department argues it had an obligation to follow the processes laid out in the Freedom of Information Act.

“The decision (to withhold the list of PNP companies) was appealed first to the FOIPP Commissioner, and then to the courts. These processes were followed as prescribed by law,” the department email stated.

twright@theguardian.pe.ca

Comments

  • Username
    James Petrie
    - December 17, 2012 at 15:17:54

    Take it from an experienced Professional Investigator who competes with the world’s best. The list is worthless without knowing how much money each company received, how long the companies existed before the money was handed out and if the money went into personal bank accounts. Did the businesses have employees and actually do business with anyone, but the PNP? Did they have an office? A business license is for a business not just for the collection of government handouts: That, amounts to a criminal offence. Did members of the R.C.M.P. get units of PNP money? If they did they cannot be the investigators. If PEI lets this one go, each one of you will suffer many more like it. Each unconnected citizen of PEI has lost their future when there is no fair competition because all the benefits go to people with corrupt connections. How will your business compete if your competition gets several free units as its doors open, for the first, on the other side of Water Street? If it's a Pizza business, they could give their pizzas away for free until your business goes bankrupt.

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  • Username
    Time For Change
    - December 12, 2012 at 17:52:44

    I cannot believe what I'm reading. How long can we go on with these crooks ruining the Island? The next election should be six months earlier not later. We cannot live through more of this nonsense.

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    • Username
      Twiggy
      - December 13, 2012 at 12:52:06

      Vote NDP!!!!

  • Username
    Chet
    - December 12, 2012 at 17:26:26

    I am stil stuck back with the RCMP statement suggesting that rules can be broken with no charges laid. This blown quarter mil should be a crime but what is a crime when the rules do not matter. Cheverie's ruling means they never had acase to hold the list back in the first place.

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    I.P.Nightly
    - December 12, 2012 at 15:38:14

    Hello, what in the h@ll is wrong with this picture, we, the taxpayer is on the hook for $250,000. , just to find out what we should know, what will happen when these immigrants want their deposit back, so that is back on us again. I think it is time to purge this gov't, they are costing me way, way too much.

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  • Username
    SG
    - December 12, 2012 at 13:42:57

    Maybe instead of moving our Provincial Election forward by six months we should have an Election Now ? Thank you Supreme Court Justice Wayne Cheverie and CBC.

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  • Username
    Blatant, calculated lies . . .
    - December 12, 2012 at 12:10:55

    That, "the department argues it had an obligation to follow the processes laid out in the Freedom of Information Act." is a blatant lie. The FOIPP Act is crystal clear that the department could have released the data as routine disclosure. Since the original records may have had to sever some information, there may have been small cost. However, it should have cost the tax-payer no more than $1000.00. In this, as with so many things, this government has planb'd Islanders once again.

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  • Username
    Lbh
    - December 12, 2012 at 11:57:08

    How is there spin on spending quarter million on lawyers?

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  • Username
    Islanders deserve that, don't we?
    - December 12, 2012 at 11:52:09

    Since re-elected to represent Islanders, the Liberals have been accountable, transparent, fair and balanced. This government has identified, prioritized and addressed our most pressing problems. Also, to meet the requirements of Islanders most in need, our elected officials have placed corporate and even their own personal interests aside. Finally, this government has provided Islanders with a model of inclusive democracy, a model that consistently teaches our children what civility and positive social interaction looks like. We should be thankful, we should be proud. We should be. Islanders deserve that, don't we?

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  • Username
    Star
    - December 12, 2012 at 11:45:59

    And Ghiz is still leading in the polls! All you winers on here, tell me WHY??

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  • Username
    Marie
    - December 12, 2012 at 11:35:54

    The choosen few lied and stole, not only from Islanders, but from the people it was offering our Island to. ALL in the name of our government which is in place to serve the people. Yet those same people can't get an answer from these elected officials unless we take them to court using more money and the same crew of lawyers we're fighting about. Keep racking up the bills for these lies ghiz. My name's not Harper, but I don't want to talk to you either. STOP DESTOYING THE ISLAND ECONOMY WITH THIS INSANE COVER-UP. Tell the truth, the whole truth, and stop punishing the little guy trying to pay for tonights' dinner while you're eating steaks suppied by....well damn it...the little guys!!!

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  • Username
    don
    - December 12, 2012 at 11:29:59

    i wonder how many out of canada bank accounts are they?

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  • Username
    don
    - December 12, 2012 at 11:26:41

    i can see the next election with the NDP 1st, PC 2nd, green party 3rd, lib 4th.

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  • Username
    NDP is the way forward
    - December 12, 2012 at 11:08:44

    Haldemann was wrong in the original decision and one did not have to be a lawyer or judge to see that. All you had to be able to do was read. People on this site provided the info and the Opposition folk were just as welcome to read it as they are today. Haldemann used an irrelevant part of the legislation- third parties- that had nothing to do with PNP payment recipients. The " prescribed by law" reference by government in this story is bogus. No wonder these guys run up such legal costs. They are paying for bad legal advice. They had no legal obligation to anybody except the public. That was the case then as it is now. They could have released the list in contradiction to her flawed ruiling. What she or CBC had to say did not matter. The government simply could have released the list and saved all of these wasted thousands of bucks. Resistance appears to have been politically motivated and we all paid for it, with our taxes. Justice Cheverie did what he had to do as required by law and that is what the government should have done in the first place.

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  • Username
    thefullstoryplease
    - December 12, 2012 at 10:34:47

    I have a very strong opinion about this whole PNP thing however what I do not appreciate is unbalanced news reports. Ms. Wright has been covering this story for too long and her alliances are showing. Talk aout spin!

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    • Username
      PNP Follower
      - December 12, 2012 at 14:49:14

      @thefullstoryplease...are you commenting from your glass house that PNP built? It would seem so! TW is doing a masterfull job at peeling back the layers of deceipt laid on by those that want this story buried. Trust me, the story is NOT going away, and the mighty will fall...along with their glass houses.

  • Username
    What has happened to our Island
    - December 12, 2012 at 10:29:34

    There was a time when I felt so good about being an Islander. We had a unique way of life, which I loved. We chose to raise our kids here so that they could experience it too. We were able to make a comfortable life here. Lately, though, I feel sad about what this place is coming too. Greed seems to motivate all decisions, and our premier has an elitist attitude where he doesn't care about the commoners. I am sickened by the fact that my children and grandchildren are burdened by a heavy provincial debt. Things have to change or the province will go bankrupt. It is too bad that it has come to this point because of governments spending like drunken sailors, and the people who benefit from this spending encouraging them to do so. Sadly, it is seldom the average person who benefits from such spending. The rich keep getting richer. That's my rant for the day.

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    • Username
      Voter
      - December 12, 2012 at 22:36:17

      I do not know who 'what has happend to our island' is, but I would vote for this person in a heartbeat. Obviously this person loves our Island and the kind of people we were proud to be. I too feel terrible about the growing debt created by this administration. Shame on them, particularly since most of it is not needed or wanted.

  • Username
    Chris Columbus
    - December 12, 2012 at 09:45:25

    Wait now folks, all these government mistakes, cover-ups, deceit ,lies and tom-foolery will be fixed whenever the "premier" shuffles his "cabinet".

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  • Username
    PLEASE CLARIFY
    - December 12, 2012 at 09:26:17

    to ISLAND VOTER - yes, the whole story would be AWESOME... like how the PNP money was spent and did the recipients honour their contract of use of PNP funds... how did the intermediaries, accountants, lawyers justify their costs... and BTW - THE COURTS determined YOU and I had the RIGHT to know who received PNP units! Thank goodness the CBC fought for our RIGHTS! This is the price the public has been FORCED to pay when their government is evasive and lacks transparency and accountability... SHAME on them!!

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  • Username
    ATV
    - December 12, 2012 at 09:13:23

    Isn't CBC funded by tax dollars? So tax dollars fighing tax dollars in court which is payed with tax dollars.......wise, real wise the whole damn bunch.....CBC is a farce

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  • Username
    Enough
    - December 12, 2012 at 09:07:43

    Show us the numbered companies - Ghiz and his cronies should all be in jail. Steal a toonie out of a parked car or steal millions from immigrants - fellow stealing the toonie is in jail but 'Premier Ghiz' walks around like he's something! Absolutely unbelievable!

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  • Username
    Pete
    - December 12, 2012 at 09:07:08

    "The fact government’s arguments were ultimately were struck down by Canada’s highest court shows that the money spent fighting requests for the PNP list could have been put to better use, Perry said" ......... Mr. Perry believes that the Supreme Court of PEI is Canada's highest court? Really?

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  • Username
    Island voter
    - December 12, 2012 at 08:53:47

    This is not the whole story. How much did the CBC pay to lose this ruling, then appeal to the courts. I think we are also entitled to know these costs as it's taxpayers money that suppliments the CBC. Common Guardian, if, the story is about money spent, lets get the whole story.

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  • Username
    ST.
    - December 12, 2012 at 08:48:19

    Yes I agree with freedom of information and the right to privacy- however, when ones actions and morals are in question then being upfront and cooperative is the best means to the issue. This just looks like guilt - even though some cases may not be as guilty as others- it looks like a coverup at the expense of many others in PEI. The womans shelter closing, the parks schools hospital...etc People involved need to start coming forward and talking to the RCMP and if they have nothing to hide then fine and if they do, it just may be easier on them criminally

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  • Username
    THE SCAM
    - December 12, 2012 at 08:26:42

    When are the names going to be released for the numbered companies. the people of pei should toss these clowns out of office.GHIZ HAS TO GO

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      Onlooker
      - December 12, 2012 at 14:42:45

      If it is really a big deal to you the numbered companies can be easily searched on the government website for Environment, Labour & Justice under the Corporate/Business Names Registry search, if you're that concerned over it you may want to spend some time looking around there...

  • Username
    hmatthewl
    - December 12, 2012 at 08:26:13

    So sad, and we wonder why we have a deficit, but the Minister's drive nice cars !!

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  • Username
    Adolphus
    - December 12, 2012 at 08:15:32

    $256,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the $16,000,000 our generous government gave the Homburg Hotel.

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  • Username
    PNP FOLLOWER
    - December 12, 2012 at 08:10:40

    I question the timing of this legal mess, why was this not exposed in the house recently. Again we see our legal profession is driving the bus so to speak, stall, stall, stall and of course some lawyer making a bundle. Can one just imagine over $250000 dollars for that little bit of cover up. Where was Innovation Minister Roach on this cover up? and why other than to hide the truth and protect more Lawyers and Accountants. There will be an end to all of you soon

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  • Username
    Bill o'Reilly
    - December 12, 2012 at 08:02:39

    That's about right isn't it. I can't believe that this government got re-elected.

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  • Username
    ATV
    - December 12, 2012 at 07:43:49

    And here is CBC a Federally Sponsored Organization wasting more taxpayers money.......What business does a federally sponsored agency have to stick their nose in a private business. Maybe Harper is right and the CBC should be allowed to die a very quick death. The the federal debt would be fixed.........

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  • Username
    Garth Staples
    - December 12, 2012 at 07:34:31

    Thank you Hal for your comments and thank you Guardian for the evolving story. Seems like taxpayers just keep on giving. What a blight on a Govts record.

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  • Username
    sad indeed
    - December 12, 2012 at 07:14:13

    money well spent.........not

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  • Username
    John W.A.Curtis
    - December 12, 2012 at 07:13:52

    The minister gets a new car, PNP misuse 256,000 in legal fees and we the taxpayer get rippedoff ,tell the minister to walk.

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  • Username
    Karl Proude
    - December 12, 2012 at 06:59:18

    Thus as taxpayers monies,should we not be able to see also where and to whom this money was paid, and for what.Maybe a detailed list of costs..Need we say more?

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  • Username
    grampie
    - December 12, 2012 at 05:58:27

    When will Governments realize that taxpayers have the right to know to who and where tax money is being spent? Trying to hide this is a complete waste of money, only lawyers benefits.

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  • Username
    ten hours of court time for how much
    - December 12, 2012 at 00:38:17

    256,000.00 dollars for ten hours in court????????WTF?

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  • Username
    math clairity
    - December 12, 2012 at 00:29:11

    I'm not a math expert but I have a fact I created that I hope someone clarify. PEI has roughly 146,000 ppl, roughly 113,000 are over 19 therefore significant tax payers. So with our province spending about $256,000 in legal fees, each tax payer spends about $2,25 per person on this legal bill. This seems unfair. Is my math inaccurate? am I missing something here?

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  • Username
    Wow
    - December 11, 2012 at 23:14:54

    You mean to tell me that 1 of the law firms that made millions on the PNP couldn't do this pro-bono? Common Billy, how much money can 1 lawyer spend?

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  • Username
    Please Clarify
    - December 11, 2012 at 23:04:39

    SHAME SHAME SHAME on the government and anyone of any party for trying to hide this information - there can be no price on knowing the truth, however.

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  • Username
    IF
    - December 11, 2012 at 22:49:33

    If this government was open and shared public knowledge why should it cost us taxpayers this kind of money-I am a hard working single parent trying to put food on our table and this is how the government spends our money-horrible

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  • Username
    James Macgoo Lakeside
    - December 11, 2012 at 22:41:44

    I think it may be more interesting to learn the names of attorneys and consultants who received the $256,203.

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  • Username
    Stewart McKelvey advised argued and lost badly
    - December 11, 2012 at 22:22:28

    Is that how much Stewart McKelvey got for losing. There are many lawsuits underway right now because of Ghiz and his friends firms are scalping the province. Parasites and Patronage costs with Ghiz are high and Harper never talks to him since this PNP rip off.

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  • Username
    the list offered defies court order
    - December 11, 2012 at 22:18:10

    The companies in question were during 2008 bonanza, but the list provided in response to court order includes companies from years previous. During the bonanza identified by the Auditor about 300 companies received 120 million in grants which cost 140 million in fees to handpicked intermediaries. Since this betrayal of Canada by PEI Ghiz team; PEI has endured increased Federal job cuts on a per capita basis, no financing for cable and Harper does not talk to Ghiz.....The costs of the PNP stealing is an emasculated Premier hiding the excessive fees and denying the innumerable Conflicts of Interest and Breach of Trust. The extra costs are just beginning and will be hundreds of millions. PNP was about stealing and selling phoney investments which do not meet the definition of investment. All the accountants and lawyers hope its over soon but it is just beginning. thanks eh?

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  • Username
    don
    - December 11, 2012 at 21:15:46

    Supreme Court Justice Wayne Cheverie. right now i want to thank you for a good job letting the tax payers know who was on the PNP list.at least you had the back bone to be honest.

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