City ready to design airport roundabout

Dave Stewart
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Construction won't begin until more infrastructure money comes in, and is No. 2 priority after Brackley Point Road roundabout

Charlottetown Mayor Clifford Lee listens as Roy Main, Chief Administrative Officer, reads a motion during the city's recent monthly council meeting.

The city moved a step closer to putting in a roundabout at the Charlottetown Airport.

Council voted 7-3 in favour of paying CBCL Ltd. $25,000 to start redesigning the Brackley Point Road-Sherwood Road intersection.

Couns. Jason Coady, Mitchell Tweel and Danny Redmond voted against the resolution.

Just to be clear, that redesign will happen on paper. Work isn't likely to start on the project until the federal government pumps more infrastructure money to the provinces in 2014.

Coun. Terry Bernard, chair of public works, said the airport roundabout is the city's No. 2 priority. The so-called Vogue Optical intersection remains at the top of the list. That project is in the final design phase.

The city had engineers look at whether a roundabout would be possible at the airport.

"They did a preliminary design that showed us a roundabout would fit there so now we're going to design so we'll be shovel-ready when funding comes down the pipe,'' Bernard said.

Coady tried defer spending the $25,000, which was seconded by Tweel and Redmond, until the 2013 budget process is completed, but that attempt was quashed by a 7-3 vote. Coady, Tweel and Redmond then opposed the original resolution.

Bernard said it will take CBCL the winter to complete the design work.

The two roundabouts - at the airport and at Vogue Optical - will be cost-shared by the province, federal government and the city, with each paying a third of the cost.

The Vogue Optical roundabout is pegged at $2.5 million while the one at the airport is expected to cost $1.5 million.

The city won't know how it moves forward in either case until the feds announce how much money each province is getting. In theory, both projects could begin in 2014.

"It depends on the funding arrangements . . . but it is a possibility,'' Bernard said.

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Geographic location: Brackley Point Road

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  • geronimo
    November 19, 2012 - 10:14

    The better thing to do would be shut down the Charlottetown airport and the Summerside airports - expensive wastes of money. Think of the land development we could have on those properties instead of the half dozen planes a day landing there. I have not flown out of Charlottetown since before the Fixed Link opened. Halifax International all the way baby!

  • Dick Pendeyn
    November 19, 2012 - 08:34

    OK so roundabouts are the in thing. Would it not be better to educate drivers on how to use roundabouts in a responsible manner, before pepper-potting Charlottetown with them, like slow down, do not tailgate the vehicle in front when on the roundabout and it is not equivalent to a stop sign, it is not necessary to stop when there are no vehicles in visual sight, this causes the vehicle behind to break unnecessarily. For the designers of roundabouts, placing a pedestrian crossing on the roundabout is not a safe thing to do, if pedestrian traffic is that high then a pedestrian foot bridge should be present.

  • Robot Gizz
    November 19, 2012 - 01:31

    Funny how in the country they can't spend fast enough to STRAIGHTEN the roads but in the city all they want us to do is drive round in CIRCLES!! Save that money and put over passes in on the bypass(like it should have had from the start.)Could save some lives there for sure.

  • peter pan scam
    November 18, 2012 - 22:17

    So now council is going ahead with a roundabout at the ''top of a hill''. Yet only a few short years ago they claimed that they couldn't put a roundabout at the Peter Pan intersection because it was at the ''top of a hill''.... We all know that council lied about this - they were caving to public pressure from the half dozen ninnie drivers out there who were afraid of roundabouts. Instead we got an acre of asphalt at the corner of Malpeque, Capital and Spencer. But wow! Now we suddenly get the go-ahead for a top of the hill roundabout at Sherwood & Brackley Point.... Either council has become a bit smarter or the engineering standards (that's an oxymoron in PEI) have changed, or both..... And what's with CBCL getting all these contracts? Don't we have engineers on staff that can do this type of thing? Real cities on the mainland have their own engineers do all the design work. No need to pay top dollar to these consulting firms.

  • Martinez
    November 18, 2012 - 17:03

    Um why is CBCL being awarded this without going to tender?

    • Stratford Resident
      November 19, 2012 - 14:48

      There was a request for proposals.

  • SG
    November 18, 2012 - 14:25

    @ GS Absolutely NOTHING would surprise me 2014 can't come soon enough.

  • SG
    November 18, 2012 - 14:16

    UPWESTER: If you haven't seen a traffic problem at the entrance to the Ch'town Airport you must be using a route that tax payers from Ch'town and surrounding areas are not using. I also agree if Traffic Lights will solve the problem then use them we don't need any more Roundabouts. Islanders will soon need medications for dizziness just to be able to drive in Ch'town. One idea doesn't need to be repeated at every busy intersection from one end of the city to the other. Also if our City would Synchronize the Traffic Lights like they do in every other Canadian City Traffic wouldn't be such a hassel in Charlottetown!

  • SG
    November 18, 2012 - 10:00

    To Bewildered: I'm referring to the #2 Highway. I take the Sherwood Rd. (West Royalty) to the #2 Highway when travelling to the Airport. To cross the #2 Highway from the Sherwood Rd. is a suicide mission. And like I stated previously it is just a matter of time before someone is killed. I don't know if Traffic Lights would provide much safety there. But something has to be done and the sooner the better whether Coady, Tweel or Redmond agree or not I feel it should take priority over the Vogue Optical Roundabout!

    • Just Wondering
      November 18, 2012 - 17:01

      To SG - Maybe you should have a look at a map. Not only does the TCH not intersect with the Sherwood Road, but the last time I checked there already are traffic lights at the intersection of Hwy. #2 and the Sherwood Road. Have a look at a map so you can see where you are going. Could it be the Brackley Pt. Road instead of the #2?

    • know your roads
      November 18, 2012 - 22:12

      #2 highway is not the TCH. The TCH is the #1 highway (Wood Islands to Borden). #2 highway (Souris to Tignish) does not go in front of the airport. #15 highway (Brackley Point Rd) does. Sherwood Rd is a short connecting road that runs from #15 highway to #236 highway (Lower Malpeque Rd). Since traffic lights were put at intersection of Sherwood Rd & #2 highway there has been no problem.

    • Bewildered
      November 19, 2012 - 08:10

      I think you're geographically challenged. There are traffic lights at the Sherwood Road - Route 2 intersection, therefore crossing Route 2 (presumably on a green light) should be routine.. The airport is on Brackley Point Road, which is busy June through October - I know this because I live on it..

  • parnell kelly
    November 18, 2012 - 09:52

    Whats up with Tweel , Coady and Redmond. It looks like that they would vote against SUNSHINE . Its time to start voting for things that are good for that people that elected you.

  • What the ?
    November 18, 2012 - 09:46

    I travel Brackly Pt Rd. everyday at rush hours, I do not think we need to spend 1.5 Million on this. The costs to build a roundabout is ridiculous. The $4M being spent on these could be used in our health care or education systems. The costs do not seem to way out the benefits.

  • Karen
    November 18, 2012 - 09:22

    Isn't it cheaper and quicker just to put some traffic lights at that intersection? Something that should have been done years ago. Where is all that money coming from to design and build roundabouts on PEI?????

    • Townie
      November 19, 2012 - 07:25

      Yes, a lot cheaper. But then you won't be able to line your buddies pockets with lots of money that way.

  • rocketpeople
    November 18, 2012 - 09:14

    I sure hope there was not any money paid to a consulting firm to rank the vogue intersection ahead of the airport. Then again if it was council who did this ranking I wonder is there no common sense on council. Wake up City of Charlottetown the airport intersection is a horrific accident waiting to happen. You should defenitely rethink this one!

  • Marie
    November 18, 2012 - 08:33

    OK you guys, take the circle drawing away from the engineer designing PEI roads these days. Give him/her back a straight ruler and teach him what the hanging things are at intersections. The Brackley Point/Sherwood Rd. should have had LIGHTS installed years ago. Remember guys...those funny yellow boxes hanging overhead with yellow,green and RED lights in them....slows traffic...lets cars and people cross safely...new concept to you??? Get off the tight circles...so tight that tractors can't go with a car??!!??. Last time I flew home, I stayed on the plane and went back to Halifax...thought the aliens had crop circled the Island hahaha

  • Plan B and Roundabout - there lies the difference.
    November 18, 2012 - 07:28

    I'm one of "those" Islanders vehemently against Plan B but I'd support this Airport Roundabout. While I think it's still important for the public to have a larger discussion about the degree of pubic funds being allocated to traffic control, at least this project appears to have some merit. And there lies the difference . . .

    • UPWESTER
      November 18, 2012 - 11:25

      This province has gone absolutely crazy with these round abouts. It's going to cost taxpayers $ 4 Million Dollars to have 2 round abouts three blocks apart. What is wrong with putting up 2 stoplights if they are needed? What on earth would Charlottetown ever became a real city?Next they will be putting speed bumps on the TCH. I go to the airport quite often and have never seen a traffic problem yet.

  • Wow
    November 18, 2012 - 07:04

    Finally! You take your life into your own hands when you are heading to or from that airport! Putting up a set of lights would solve the problem instead of going through the huge expense of make a round about. Whichever the case I am happy they are finally going to fix this "accident waiting to happen" problem.

  • Bill.B
    November 18, 2012 - 02:31

    I totally agree with "Nor'Easter" here, are every one of the so-called "civil engineers" that work for the city that un-informed that they can't design a simple circle? Why are we continually getting ripped on all of these round-a bouts? While they are looking at the airport, how about getting the "powers that be" look into equipping our only airport with a Jet Bridge so we can portray ourselves as a civilized community here on our absolutely beautiful island? I don't know how many times I heard the gasps and expressions of surprise at the requirement to walk down steps in the freezing cold and puddles of water to get off the airplane. We have a very very beautiful place here to visit, as well as have Summer homes, but we absolutely need to update our airport. One would think that they are either going back 30 years in time, or going into the wilderness judging by the first couple of steps from the airplane.

    • Observer
      November 18, 2012 - 09:52

      I have never heard gasps or expressions of surprise on any of the 100 or more times I have flown into Charlottetown. Further at airports around Canada and the U S I have many times been on aircraft that load directly onto the Tarmac. It is not that unusual.

  • SG
    November 17, 2012 - 22:23

    In my opinion the Vogue intersection is not as dangerous or life threatening as the Entrance and Exit to the Airport from the Sherwood Rd. Some one is Going to be Killed trying to cross the TCH from the Sherwood Rd. to enter the Airport or someone exiting the Airport onto the TCH. It is just a matter of time given the number of Tractor Trailers/Semis whizzing along that TCH 24/7. I witnessed an accident while waiting on the Sherwood Rd. to cross the Highway to the Airport. Traffic was held up for 30 mins. Did someone miss a Flight as a result? I don't know.

    • Bewildered
      November 18, 2012 - 07:33

      When did the Sherwood Road come in contact with the TCH???????????????????

    • PEI Driver
      November 18, 2012 - 09:57

      To SG: I assume TCH means Trans-Canada-Highway to you. If it does, well get your map checked. The TCH is not anywhere near the Sherwood Road or the Charlottetown Airport. As for the "Vogue intersection"....... it should be #1 as planned. Traffic there is much more heavier (quantity, not weight) and constant than at the airport. Have a great day.

    • gs
      November 18, 2012 - 10:42

      @ SG Didn't you hear? Robert Ghiz has changed plan B to plan C. The TCH is now being realigned from Borden right to Charlottetown and will go right to the airport before swinging downtown. He plans to tear down West Royalty and Sherwood to make it happen. You heard it here first.....

  • Nor'easter
    November 17, 2012 - 21:35

    CBCL ,are you crazy, Give me a geometry set and $500 bucks and I'll do all the measurements for you. You gues ar getting screwed from all the PROS all the time.Eh???