Province releases PNP recipients

Teresa Wright
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The list of P.E.I. companies that received PNP funds tops 1,354.

After four years of controversy, the P.E.I. government has finally released the list of 1,354 companies that received PNP funds.

But with no dollar amounts attached to the names on this list, questions remain about how many investment units some companies may have received and whether some businesses received more than the maximum number of investments allowed under the program's rules.

CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE FULL PNP LIST

The province issued a news release late in the day Tuesday, saying it was complying with the Supreme Court ruling late last week that said the list of Provincial Nominee Program beneficiaries should be released.

The complete list is now available on the P.E.I. government website. The Guardian will also print the full list in Wednesday's print edition of the newspaper and provide a PDF download copy of the list on its website.

Innovation Minister Allen Roach could not be reached for comment.

But in a news release issued Tuesday, he said he released the list in compliance with the Supreme Court decision.

"The businesses listed account for about one-quarter of all Island businesses," Roach said.

"The (PNP) is an economic program used by all provinces and territories to boost a province's economy and support local businesses. More than 1,300 Island businesses received investment through the Provincial Nominee Program, who in turn invest in the Island economy."

On Friday, Supreme Court Justice Wayne Cheverie overturned a decision of the province's former privacy commissioner, who denied the CBC a Freedom of Information request asking for the list of PNP beneficiaries. But in the same ruling, Cheverie upheld the commissioner's decision not to release the number of investment units each company received, as this could reveal information about those companies' finances and assets.

Opposition Leader Olive Crane has led the charge in trying to shed light on the controversies that have plagued government over the way this program was administered, especially in the final weeks before it was shut down by Ottawa.

She said Tuesday her concern has always been the "preferential treatment" some people and companies received in getting PNP investment funds, notably government officials and their family members.

"The (PNP) is an economic program used by all provinces and territories to boost a province's economy and support local businesses. More than 1,300 Island businesses received investment through the Provincial Nominee Program, who in turn invest in the Island economy," Innovation Minister Allen Roach

"There's clear guidelines for ministers and senior government staff that we cannot put ourselves in positions where we can take advantage of programs when other people can't," Crane said in an interview.

"A lot of the lines of questions that I asked for years through the public accounts and the legislature means this list will certainly generate more questions."

The Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) offered Canadian visas to immigrants who invested between $120,000 and $200,000 on P.E.I., some of which went into an Island company. It was established to encourage immigration to the province.

The federal government shut down P.E.I.'s program in 2008 after it discovered the province was allowing immigrants to invest in companies in which they had no active involvement.

P.E.I.'s auditor general launched an investigation into the program in 2009 and found the government broke rules, changed rules without proper approval and approved businesses for PNP investments that didn't qualify.

Several sitting and former MLAs received PNP money for their personal businesses.

Three deputy ministers and some of their spouses also received immigrant investment units for their companies, including Brooke MacMillan, who was the deputy minister in charge of the program when the feds flagged it as problematic.

MacMillan also approved changes to the PNP that made his own business eligible to receive funds. His wife also received PNP money. Premier Robert Ghiz ordered MacMillan to pay the money back and he did.

The RCMP is close to being ready to release its findings on a preliminary investigation launched last year into allegations of fraud and bribery involving this program that were sent to Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

The Canada Border Services Agency also investigated these allegations, but closed its probe due to lack of evidence.

 

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  • Joe WHo
    November 08, 2012 - 01:11

    In the beginning....only those who got the nod literally in an office dwtn got any money. Insider Libs,Conservatives, and yes NDP had a private club sponsored by Legal/Accounting Czars going and Pnp was a well kept secret. Then when Harper made changes Ghiz opened the flood gates and things became more public in the rush to the deadline. When greed reaches a certain point political party afflication dissolves and they all had their hand in the PnP cookie jar. To be fair not everyone had the means to create a real or shell corporation to tap into the Great Canadian Citizenship sell off game called PnP.

  • NDP Bob
    November 07, 2012 - 21:17

    One NDP member is reporting that 130 companies that got money made over 220 thousand in donations to the Fiberals and Crooked Cons. I think its time we forget these two parties even exist.

    • Amused
      November 08, 2012 - 01:01

      After reading all the commentary about the scandal of the PNP and how these unethical businesses scammed money from the poor Chinese immigrants I have just a few observations: 1.) the people of PEI have lived off the tax payers of other provinces since confederation and through UI scammed millions from the poor of other parts of Canada 2.) you need to stop being so condescending to the Chinese people who have come to Canada, and in many cases are well educated and business owners themselves. They will only contribute to our economy.3.) And finally, If your business did not get a PNP - don't be so smug - you did not qualify!

  • Specialist
    November 07, 2012 - 20:20

    This entire mess started under the federal Progressive Conservative government when the concept of basically selling Canadian passports got started. At the time, many people in Hong Kong were concerned about the return of the 99-year lease to the United Kingdom by China. At that time there was already plenty of corruption to go around, with claims of immigration officials getting payoffs, and dubious projects like the Dynasty Spa in Summerside getting underway. Fast forward a few years and the concept morphed into the system which Prince Edward Island milked under two different governments, Progressive Conservative, then Liberal. As with most things involving politics on Prince Edward Island, a small cadre of lawyers - and accountants/consultants - ramped up this programme and long-time friends were first to take advantage. Once it became obvious that it was very easy for the 'professionals' to make extraordinarily large fees for very little work, and for the politicians to play winners and losers by helping a steady stream of businesses seeking financial assistance to tap 'Asian money' instead of government funds, it was off to the races. But then the insiders thought they should get a bit more, and soon friends and family were going into business for the only purpose of extracting 'free' money from the magic cash machine. It became so egregious that the federal government started to take note of the situation and warned the Province of Prince Edward Island that changes would have to be made, at which point the current government put the pedal to the metal so as to vacuum up every last cent it could find. At one level it is the story of killing the goose that laid the golden egg, but it is really about the torrents of greed, and an electorate which got the government it deserved. Neither major political party deserves the honour of serving the people of Prince Edward Island, and come the next election if the public does not act accordingly, it will have no right to say another word on the subject.

    • Joe Who
      November 07, 2012 - 21:12

      Ha....the list is not even complete. There are more than 1,354 on the "real" list and some people have been left off this list much to their delight. Coincidentally, big fans of the Ghiz regime. CBC was close but got duped.

  • Problems with the named businesses
    November 07, 2012 - 17:16

    There are major problems trying to track down some of these businesses. And the program was to give money in return for the immigrant taking part in the business, but that has been lost on many. Does anyone know anything about FREEDOM ORTHODONTICS CORPORATION? The business and director has the same address. But, when I put the address in the search engine, Murray murphy's name and address comes up. According to the information, it appears that it is his company?? It says it manufactures orthodontic equipment at this site, but it is a residential neighborhood.

  • James Petrie
    November 07, 2012 - 17:11

    Don't you see what they are doing? They went to a large number of businesses and gave them a small amount of PNP money so that they would say that they received money; in order to make it more difficult for you to identify the real crooks which took more than a million. I moved off of PEI, with my unconnected business and set up in North Carolina. No one gave me money, and I didn't steal anyone's money, so as a result I built my business without corporate welfare. My business is doing great, and it can stand on its own without stealing via scams and citizen's taxes. Your government and their connected friend will always need a crutch to survive. The only solution I see it to stop going to the polls for either side of government and vote for anyone who is not the main line party - Liberal or Conservative and do it in every election until you get all new people.

    • Chet
      November 08, 2012 - 07:58

      Voted for Binns. Voted for Ghiz. Not really a a left winger and have my own business ( refused PNP) but going NDP next time. For sure. The old parties have gotten so bad that it is worth giving those not yet corrupted a chance. I absolutely agree. 90% of the people on this list got some cash to cover for those who took millions- Ghiz's father in law, bunch of lawyers and accountants, two dudes in Teresa's story of today, etc. Out of self respect I will not ignore what was done here. No way.

    • Good point
      November 09, 2012 - 19:59

      The corruption has infested the entire society, no longer a good place for anyone or good business deals. Both the tories and liberals have sunk to unimaginable lows and could never vote for either ever again. The pnp was started by tories and continued with the liberals. Both misused the program! The liberal party is out of touch with the ordinary person and the tories are too busy trying to backstab their leader in the most disgusting underhanded manner- shows their lack of any morality and what they will sink to when they do not want to follow the democratic way. For the first time in my life, I will go with the Green or NDP- but they too need to get their acts together and become strong parties. This is their one chance to gain power and get elected. If they don't, then the Island will be left to the new immigrants to run it. I can never see any sane person voting for tories or liberals. Such a sad situation, an entire society (province) lost due to greed, corruption, lack of morality, lack of ethics, sleazy ways.

  • Non Ferengi
    November 07, 2012 - 16:27

    We don;t necessarily begrudge small needy business from receiving small amounts. And John Jeffrey of CBC is the only one we have ever seen who publicly stated he got PNP money. We think that was a wise move. At least he did that upfront which looks like he had zero to hide. On the other hand there are many who have plenty of money and material goods who can never seem to have enough. Like feeding a hungry and sick addiction. They may have bigger and deeper issues,..

  • Disgusted
    November 07, 2012 - 15:15

    Corruption seems to rule. When we talk about how corrupt business is in other countries - we only have to look to the end of our own arms. This entire PNP program is disgustingly correopt. Thank you to the CBC for doing some proper investigation to expose this mess. It is only the tip of the iceberg.

  • it's true
    November 07, 2012 - 14:43

    I guess the old saying is really true by the lookes of some of the names on that list the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer its a backwards robin hood

  • FYI
    November 07, 2012 - 14:16

    Like I said in an earlier comment, most of the businesses who received the money early on haven't done anything wrong. I would be more suspicious of the hastily formed numbered companies that were founded in the last couple of years of the programme. You can check the shareholders, officers, etc by going to www.gov.pe.ca/corporations/index.php. I would also comment that the huge amounts taken off the immigrants by the accountants and other "enablers" is also very suspicious. Among the "professionals" who creamed off a huge cut for "services" were Arsenault Best Cameron Ellis/ABCE Consulting - Irwin Ellis is Ghizzie's father-in-law. Also many other MLA's & their relatives own companies on this list - check out Atlantic Hyspan, E.B.Brown's Transport/Crane Services, 101074 PEI Inc, Maczak Holdings Ltd, Fairholm Holdings Ltd, Little Mac Pizza, Jackson Holdings, The Stone Depot, Marine Woodcraft Boatbuilders, Pat's Retail Inc, Mid-Isles Farms (Holdings), Food Trust 2008 Ltd, Four Seas Inc., Padinox & 6937942 Canada Inc.

  • RICHOFFPNP
    November 07, 2012 - 13:37

    I love this program. Keep it up Bobby! MAKE MONEY MONEY TAKE MONEY MONEY MONEYYY

  • Color blind
    November 07, 2012 - 12:25

    Theres something to be said now for big box companies! I guess we will spend money with them as much as we can,. And should we ever hear one person from these PNP receivers companies utter one racial, bigoted word we will speak up! And loudly. Some of you may rail on immigrants yet their cash is white enough to take.

  • Joe
    November 07, 2012 - 12:09

    You guys are all very nieve, and ignorant on the subject. You are all the people that didnt get to benefit from PNP because you were all hiding under a rock. Its funny how the everyone is all ragging on the business on the list for recieving all this money, when in fact they are not the ones that had the most to gain with PNP. The people who had most to gain with the PNP program where the same people that let these companies know about it. The Accountants, and lawayers! Thats right, ABC company had 4 PNP 'Investments' which combines a total of $200,000. That is $50,000 for each one(which is the amount each business recieved). Now if you take a look at this story, where it says that for a price of $120 - 200,000 an imigrant can buy there visa. Now, say an imigrant has to pay $200,000. well only $50,000 went into the business, leaving 150,000 in the hands of lawyers and the accountants. Also, a business could recieve multiple PNP investement, depending on the size and scale of the company. The example above was from a real company that was included on the list. And is one of the smaller ones. Now you know......

  • Frightened
    November 07, 2012 - 11:33

    How does this list compare to the massive political donor lists - LIberal and PC- published in the Eastern Graphic back in August? How many of these will make a killing from the HST rebates????? How do we control this??? NDP..please help.... most of us are still out there looking for work or holding two jobs to keep what we got...help..help..help...

  • NB er
    November 07, 2012 - 11:25

    Guardian - now please publish the names of those "shareholders" connected with the numbered companies,

  • Hard-working Islander
    November 07, 2012 - 11:15

    The company I work for, does $10's of millions in business each year.( $50+ million) They were on the list. The owner lives the life of a king. This company runs a monolopy on PEI.(No competition) How the heck would they qualify for investor funds???

  • Bobbi
    November 07, 2012 - 11:09

    THE COMMENTS POSTED HERE SHOW US EXACTLY WHY THE BUSINESSES DESERVED TO HAVE THEIR NAMES CONCEALED - MANY OF YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED WITH YOUR INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS AND SAD CASE OF THE GREEN-EYED MONSTER - all net investment after costs and agreements between the parties, and hence cash that ended up in the hands of the businesses, were to be used for purposes agreed upon in advance. Companies were subject to review/audit and required to keep good records of how it was used. Lawyers and accountants would have advised companies in this way. Instead of acting as childish as everyone seems to be acting, let's accept and hope that those that misused the program are brought to task and let's support the many fine businesses listed on that list. They don't deserve to all be ill-branded, chastised and abused by the likes of a segment of the population that is full of greed, envy and complete disregard for the hard work carried out by those persons who operate these small businesses. They complied with their agreements and deserve a lot more respect - they do their best in trying times and trying economic surroundings to keep people employed and contribute to YOUR COMMUNITY - I'd rather spend my money at many of these businesses than spend my money supporting some international outfit out of China that dumps its vastly inferior product in some Cdn version of a US chain store!

    • Theft and sleaziness
      November 08, 2012 - 17:22

      OMG- The pnp program was abused in order for businesses, some only existed on paper- to STEAL money from immigrants. They took the money BUT did NOT do what they were supposed to do- they did not honor their committment to the immigrants and that is how they sleazed and stole money from immigrants. Disgraceful, shameful and even fraud!! Some immigrants never even met these businesses that they were supposed to be involved with-- and as for jobs...where are all these jobs that were supposed to be created Where are the immigrants and their roles in these companies??-that was the program Even the federal gov't came down hard on Islanders who misused this program for their individual selfish, corrupt and arrogant goals Also, the whistleblowers site has excellent articles on this corrupted abuse, also the Kings Cashing in site has details of the corrupted and disgusting ways these businesses took advantage of immigrants and DID NOT do what they were supposed to do.. It is people like you Bobbi, who support such unethical behavior that the Island will continue to get a bad name and allow such corruption to spill over into our society -which is has- . Shame on you for defending such unethical and corrupt ways that harmed so many people and furthermore, only further corrupts Island society.

  • Resident
    November 07, 2012 - 10:39

    Administrators of PNP program collected a fee in the amount of 15-45% of the investment. It's not The List that needs to be investigated, but a few locally-owned Legal and Accounting firms who ripped the public and investors of hundreds of millions in PNP money. These people are responsible for abusing the program and actively promoting the idea of free money to business owners. Don't get distracted by the list.

  • PROUD ISLANDER ???
    November 07, 2012 - 10:38

    Yeay, the Island way. Get gov't money any way you can.

    • Not government money
      November 07, 2012 - 17:55

      It was not government money, although many people FROM both governments received lots of money. The money came from the immigrants It was a scandal and stopped because they misued the program and the immigrants who gave the money, did not get what they were supposed to for payment of their money.

  • PROUD ISLANDER???
    November 07, 2012 - 10:08

    Yeay, the Island way. Get gov't money any way you can.

  • dave
    November 07, 2012 - 09:21

    Yep just what i thought companies that i know and work for never hired or helped immigrants all they did was pocket the money. some of them went out of business or sold out and they should now pay back the money that the government lost. What no money seize all there properties and assets. Make an example them hopefully the rcmp does there job

  • Fact
    November 07, 2012 - 08:12

    This is not the complete list of PNP cash recipients. Far from it. This will be widely understood by the end of the day. I can't believe they did this. I just cannot believe it.

  • AMAZED
    November 07, 2012 - 07:51

    I know for certain this list is incomplete because the names of the local connected boobs are not here.People who have publicly stated they received units are also not on here.Is this just those winners from the previous Binn's government?That can't be complete either because there are some well known Tories missing.Curiouser and curiouser.

  • Checker
    November 07, 2012 - 07:47

    Great start!! Now, what time period exactly does this cover? Where are the names like Dumville, Docherty, Webster, Ghiz etc? How does this list compare with that posted by the School of Journalism at Kings college.? This is not a witch hunt but rather a wake up call to political parties that the tax payer demands transparency and openness. Politicians cannot continue to rule in the best interest of the party. Governance is about the best public policy for the greater good. This has been nothing but greed, deception and outright lies.

  • body of evidence for Breach of trust on MacMillan
    November 07, 2012 - 07:37

    There is a substantial body of evidence for Breach of Trust by Brooke MacMillan and why are charges not pursued? Thats the way we do it down here does not cut it. Breach of Trust is a criminal offence. We need to install faith with the voters that the elected and the Deputy's do not have immunity for criminal actions. Montreal Mayor resigned over much less money and less patronage than PEI.

  • MFH
    November 07, 2012 - 07:35

    If anybody is interested in identifying the numbered companies, you can Google the number and in most cases the owner will be identified. You must type the complete number in this form.- 000000 P.E.I Inc.

  • dj
    November 07, 2012 - 07:33

    Its a real shame to see all the company's that recieved that money, what a scam, some of the wealthiest companys on the island, people that own two or three companys got money, and all they had to do was sign a piece of paper. Wow while people are starving here, the gov and these companys should be held accountable, it would be nice to know what they used the money for,,, FORGET THE LITTLE PEOPLE.

  • CRA INVESTIGATION
    November 07, 2012 - 07:04

    Now that this greedy grabbers list has finally been published the public needs to use it every time they look to purchase any service on PEI. The money was used in many cases to buy personal toys like camper buses,harleys and corvettes and boats . Not to mention the lawyers that live in florida now because of this scam. The CRA needs to investigate how all of the PNP funds were used considering that it was " fee for service" and not ever used for capital investment in any of these shamefull companys.

  • Spill the beans
    November 07, 2012 - 07:03

    Entity Name: 100936 P.E.I. INC. Reg Number: 14477 Business Type: Business Corporation Reg Date: 09-Aug-2007 Status: Active Last Return: 31-Aug-2011 Juris. of Incorp: Prince Edward Island End Date: Amalgamated Name: Former Name: Bus In: Holding company Bus Out: n/a Address: 24A Garfield Street Charlottetown, PE C1A 6A5 Officers Name Position Share Holder Director Officer Mary Rose President X X X

  • Spill the beans
    November 07, 2012 - 07:02

    Entity Name: 100506 P.E.I. INC. Reg Number: 12882 Business Type: Business Corporation Reg Date: 22-Mar-2004 Status: Active Last Return: 31-Mar-2012 Juris. of Incorp: Prince Edward Island End Date: Amalgamated Name: Former Name: Bus In: Manufacturer of dental products Bus Out: Manufacturer of dental products Address: 24A Garfield Street Charlottetown, PE C1A 6A5 Officers Name Position Share Holder Director Officer Mary Rose President X X X Michael Rose X Millie MacWilliams X Li Hongmin X Liu Bin X 100936 PEI Inc. X

  • Spill the beans
    November 07, 2012 - 06:55

    Entity Name: 100589 P.E.I. INC. Reg Number: 13418 Business Type: Business Corporation Reg Date: 11-Aug-2005 Status: Active Last Return: 31-Dec-2007 Juris. of Incorp: Prince Edward Island End Date: Amalgamated Name: Former Name: Bus In: Amusement park Bus Out: Address: 135 Parkside Drive Port-Moody, BC V3H 4X5

  • Numbered Ones
    November 07, 2012 - 06:18

    http://www.gov.pe.ca/corporations/index.php is a link to the site you can use to get the names of those people involved in the "numbered companies"

  • remind Mr. Ghiz that democracy matters.
    November 07, 2012 - 06:17

    It takes a Supreme Court decision to open a small peep hole in a government that calls itself transparent? At even that, Islanders can sense that this government even resents the "peep hole" - imagine what we'd know if the door was really open? If you care about all this, and what the future should look like for your children and grandchildren, consider being at the legislature Monday, November 12th at 2:00. Regardless of what party you hold dear (I voted Liberal) - it's time to remind Mr. Ghiz that democracy matters.

  • Roy Shea
    November 07, 2012 - 05:26

    Greed is the name of the game!!! Seems like a third world country! I see even a funeral home is on the list!!! Dead people spending money!!!

  • Quite a list
    November 07, 2012 - 02:14

    There weren't too many companies that missed out on this sweet deal...I am baffled because the PNP was kept private how did these companies find out about it? It sure as heck wasn't advertised in the paper unless it was word of mouth and who you know....and for so many companies that had the advantage of obtaining the funding I didn't see too many jobs available to the people as a result of it....by the way....the numbers that are listed stand for what? Is it a cover up for companies that don't want to be exposed or is it for all the bonuses that were given to the MLA's and staff....can anyone elaborate on these numbers listed? Just curious....

    • Pete
      November 07, 2012 - 11:38

      Quite A List says: "I am baffled because the PNP was kept private how did these companies find out about it? It sure as heck wasn't advertised in the paper unless it was word of mouth and who you know...." Bet you also didn't know that there are currently 125 federal and provincial programs available to businesses on PEI, but if it was your business to know (or even knew how to use Google) I'm sure you would have known that. Same thing with PNP. It wasn't kept private. It was a program that had existed for years. Companies were advised of the PNP program by their accountants whose job is to know what programs are available to businesses. Quite A list says: "by the way....the numbers that are listed stand for what? Is it a cover up for companies that don't want to be exposed or is it for all the bonuses that were given to the MLA's and staff....can anyone elaborate on these numbers listed?" I take it that you didn't read any of the comments made before yours that explained this? :-)

  • doneright
    November 07, 2012 - 00:30

    so,,, based on that list, where do we start exposing the crooked tories, or grits. Lol all the same doesnt matter

  • dm
    November 07, 2012 - 00:08

    so why didn't t they just say every company on p.e.i

  • Charley
    November 07, 2012 - 00:02

    So, almost every business on PEI participated in PNP? Numbers should be verified with name of business and people. If these people cannot afford to be in business without foreign investment, then maybe they need to think about a new career/job? By the way, can anyone tell me who now owns the Island? Is it China or the Middle East? It would be interesting to know. Why are we selling our Island and changing values and life styles to please foreign investors. And government ponders why tourism is going down. Tourists are not seeking a foreign experience, they are seeking a unique PEIsland experience. Why have we been voting in such incredible non-creative people the past 12 years or more? Perhaps an impeachment is a proper route to go? Just give us a new election and please find some honest, hardworking, caring and creative people to run our precious PEI.

  • Joey
    November 06, 2012 - 23:36

    Over half of these companys don't exist. Pay your fee's to register a company and collect PNP units, with no real business. The people who has done that should be charged with Fraud along with the Gov running it.

    • AGREED
      November 08, 2012 - 16:56

      It is amazing that these non-existent companies who collected pnp are not being charged. I agree Joey! One company had a name but when you checked the address another prominent name appears- one from the legal community . It is fraud!! Why is the government(s) not making fraud charges. If anyone did the same thing, but did not have connections or power they would be charged immediately and tried in court -doomed for the rest of their life. Such a corrupt system and corrupt society when those in power are doing this...they are out of control, abuse their offices, abuse their power. These abuses and arrogance has infested our society where everything is unjust and just so corrupt it is blatently done so- thrown in people's faces. Now, there is blatent fraud and they are not even accountable.....the future looks bleak when a society is run by this mindset and corrupted power and behavior Charges of fraud needed, jail time if necessary, of all people, lawyers should realize this.

  • Shirley
    November 06, 2012 - 23:23

    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! who did not receive this???????

  • whats the diffrence
    November 06, 2012 - 22:35

    What is the diffrence if all the names come out and we find thay were money that went were it should not have went what are we going to do about it nothing what can be done about it nothing do you think thay are going to be made give it back lol the island is doomed we are getting screwed every day and what is being done about that nothing.

  • Islander
    November 06, 2012 - 22:28

    Oh my god the PNP list, every Islander’s life is going to drastically change now that we finally have the list. Give me a break! I really don’t see what the big deal about this list, it looks like almost every company on PEI got at least 1 investor unit which tells me this was one hell of a great opportunity and initiative for the Island. I don’t own a business and never got any units but if we as Islanders are annoyed about anything it should be with the current Fed. Cons. who completely out of the blue decided to get political with the immigration program in Canada and told the new Prov. Libs in 2007 that they were going to have a couple months left before they were going to shut the program down even though the former Prov. Cons. had the run of it for about 7 years. I don’t care what political party is in power on the Island but I do applaud the current Libs for pushing as many units through as they could while they had the chance. When was the last time PEI had that kind of economic activity that was not generated from Ottawa sending us down a big cheque for something. I’m not sure but I’d probably say never. I just hope that another tremendous opportunity like this comes our way again.

    • really
      November 07, 2012 - 10:24

      Islander - if it was so great for the Island as a whole how come we're in such a mess financially????? Or don't you live in the real world here?

  • Independat
    November 06, 2012 - 22:01

    WOW 29 pages of pnp Recipients . There will be more Chinese here than white people WOW The demographics will change big time in the next 20 years.

  • Sully
    November 06, 2012 - 21:49

    it is awesome to see people say they want to see the real list after the list has been released. they cant find this name or that. I wonder if Elvis serves these people at Green Gables when they are buying their pull tabs and do they share with Elvis the real truth on how they get caramel in caramilk bar.

  • more info
    November 06, 2012 - 21:42

    Most of the businesses who received the money early on haven't done anything wrong. I would be more suspicious of the hastily formed numbered companies that were founded in the last couple of years of the programme. You can check the shareholders, officers, etc by going to http://www.gov.pe.ca/corporations/index.php. I would also comment that the huge amounts taken off the immigrants by the accountants and other "enablers" is also very suspicious - the PNP was not supposed to have been administered like this and it certainly isn't done like this in other provinces. Immigrants' deposit monies should be HELD IN FULL IN TRUSTuntil the immigrant receives his/her visa, then the money is released and the immigrant must invest it in a business as per the agreement with the province when the immigrant was first accepted into its PNP. It is the immigrant's money to be invested in a business, not a "gift" to buy a visa. I'm surprised that the federal government allowed PEI to carry on this crooked charade for as long as they did.

  • Steven
    November 06, 2012 - 21:14

    Lol, google "pei business lookup" then imput just the numbers of the numbered businesses at the end of the document, especially #100589, its registered address is in British Columbia and has chinease presidents, thats ironic!!!!

    • We have answers, now where's the questions?
      November 07, 2012 - 07:23

      Yikes . . . the first of many questions. Now the challenge, who is going to ask more questions, and who will provide a common sense interpretation of the answers? Where are the economists, journalists and other professionals when we need them? We don't need conspiracy theorists or wonky left/right analysis - we need the truth. And we sure ain't getting it from those we elected to represent our interests!

    • Jennifer Mackay
      November 07, 2012 - 10:16

      Steven , Apparently the registry is NOT working anymore for the PNP businesses only!!! I have tried businesses THAT DIDN'T receive and it comes up with who they are!!!!! hmmmmm........ interesting!!! They must of blocked them so us tax payers can't see who they are!!!!

  • BOb
    November 06, 2012 - 20:39

    First of all its not government money, This PNP started when Pc's were in To me its non of anybody business who got what Bob

    • Garth Staples
      November 07, 2012 - 06:30

      As I understand it the Govt administered the programme therefore is responsible for meeting administrative guidelines/rules etc. If that is correct then it is the peoples' business. No?

    • Chucker
      November 07, 2012 - 08:33

      You are wrong Bob. PNP is a government program and by effect he monies involved are public monies. That is what the judge determined. If it were private the government would not have had to produce the list, incomplete as it is. Government determined eligibilty and approved all recipients. This mess is still not clear and you wil hear and see much more Bob. Much, much more.

    • Huh
      November 07, 2012 - 08:46

      Any money the government (federal or provincial) has is taxpayer's money in one way or another.

  • Jean
    November 06, 2012 - 20:23

    For anyone who is interested, go the the gov't of PEI website, click on the left side "For Business" click on "Corporation/Business Name Registry". Type in name of corporation under "Business Name". This will tell you who the shareholders of these companies are.

  • I am one of the Guilty ones.
    November 06, 2012 - 20:16

    I am one of the Guilty ones. My company is on the list. I'd like to feel that I am one of the honest ones. I am also a small Shareholder on an other company that received money but this didn't show on the list. Not sure why. Could it be because it was just after the Liberals got in and they only released names before they took power. I sure as hell hope not or there will really be a which hunt on when Olive takes power.

  • PnP Islander
    November 06, 2012 - 20:15

    All taxable and few paid taxes. What a windfall for CRA who ruled it is taxable. NOW....CBSA gave up ???? Come on did they ever get around to veting the immigrants properly which the PEI Gov was supposed to have neglected in the rush to process claims.

  • by the way
    November 06, 2012 - 19:57

    By the way...just where is premier Robert Ghiz. He only seems to show up in the donation photo op section of the Guardian now and then. Even Wes Sheridan, who was in the newspaper a lot the past year seems to have disappeared. Have they been abducted by aliens.

  • Joe Blow
    November 06, 2012 - 19:48

    This list is a crock!!! Its a created list with almost every business on PEI on it and I don't see Ghiz's father inlaws accounting firm on there....ABCE accounting!! I want to see the detailed list with the number of units each company received and how much money in total those companies received. Also I want to know everybody involved in each company....only then will we be able to see how many MLA's are wrongly attached to all these businesses.

  • Question
    November 06, 2012 - 19:46

    There was supposed to be a review of each company with 2 years to see if they used the funds appropriately. No one will ask the question...who got reviewed and who didn't? Did the govt even check?

  • Katie
    November 06, 2012 - 19:39

    If you know anything about corporate registry - numbered companies are not a sign of anything. Commonly used - has been for decades - so why the conspiracies? Looks like a list of PEI businesses. So what?

  • jay gaudet
    November 06, 2012 - 19:26

    This list includes many businesses that legitimately went through the process the legal & proper way. Before the liberals handed it out to made up companies and ruined it for everyone.

  • charles doyle
    November 06, 2012 - 19:05

    Could someone please tell me who on P.E.I did not recieve PNP money.I don't know why it was such a big secret,because by the size of this list it looks like everyone one on P.E.I.got a piece of this action.It looks like only the immigrants didn't get apiece of the action.

  • abnntuvw
    November 06, 2012 - 19:05

    I don't have enough ink in my printer to print this list! I am on EI, which has been clawed back, and there are no jobs left on PEI, could someone print for me!!

  • Sully
    November 06, 2012 - 18:59

    Looks like the yellow pages. Every Company in PEI is there. so I dont hear the business community crying about this program. Seems the noise makers maybe the minority who dont understand business.

  • It's not a tumor, it's cancer
    November 06, 2012 - 18:58

    Where is Handy Andy?? Likely in one of the numbered companies. I would love to see some of the start dates for some of these companies. NDP people, NDP.

  • Ad Hoc
    November 06, 2012 - 18:50

    Not government; they are private numbered companies, easily verified. The number is preceded by the place in which it is registered.

  • Darrin Deveau
    November 06, 2012 - 18:46

    I am a business owner and happy I was not blinded by greed to participate in the PNP scandal... However, I do want to know exactly whom scammed the system as I would prefer not to do business with them and I do want to know the lawyers and accountants involved. The list is smoke and mirrors.We all want to know who the crooks are!..and we all know some today.

  • Keep going
    November 06, 2012 - 18:31

    This is one quarter, where are the rest?

  • james mcgoo
    November 06, 2012 - 18:15

    What is more interesting is those receipients with a number and pei or canada designation. Given the sudden rush to put placements through before end of program - makes one wonder why hide behind a designation that can not be understood. Gentlemen, please clarify.

  • Piet Hein
    November 06, 2012 - 18:14

    Let loose the conspiracy theories!!

  • corrupt
    November 06, 2012 - 18:09

    The Gentle Crooked Island.

  • star
    November 06, 2012 - 18:06

    I feel like I now live in China town! Wondering why our children cannot get jobs! I did believe in immigration, but enough! Headlines yesterday! Man living under bridge!!!! Does this not say anything, so many Islanders need help, but Gov. is busy helping fill their own pockets! Sad!

    • nitpicker
      November 06, 2012 - 19:11

      Islanders need help? Government is filling there own pockets? There are 29 pages, upwards of 1000 companies listed here! As mentioned in a previous post, it might have been easier to list who DIDN'T cash in on PNP!

    • star
      November 07, 2012 - 07:02

      YES! Islanders need help, those lined up at food banks, those on EI, cause there are no jobs to be had, those that are homeless, NOT! the Ghiz's, Casey's or Macmillians of PEI, or those in Ghiz's pocket! True Islanders middle class and the poor. Why do you think our unemployment rate is riseing, because our population has risen, not enough jobs to go around. These companies which got money, from hair shops to the construction trade, did they not have to hire PNP donors! Someone correct me if I am wrong. Has anyone else noticed all the brand new SUV's on island roads now..

  • Smoke and mirrors list at best
    November 06, 2012 - 17:46

    The list is companies involved years before Ghiz got in and they all had to pay all the money plus interest back to the investor............The Ghiz team ramped up 200 applications in the dying days and that was when the frenzy was on for the big tuna..Nobody cares about a company getting a unit if they were deserving but they were selected by Brooke MacMillan ad many got 30 units....The partial information released by Cheveries limp decision will cause all business to get the tarred brush and it will be a witch hunt. If you thought the Tory's were divisive just watch this mess of Robert Ghiz's unfold. Rob McEachern

  • No Money
    November 06, 2012 - 17:44

    Wish my name was "Andrews" how many times did I read that name. Cut EI, health care, etc... but pass out money randomly "or not"! Anyone with half a brain, would take this money, under a number account! What a joke, tarnished most businnes, but protect the real greedy behind numbers. PEI be ashamed! PS! Is there still a Dandy Duds!!

    • Shawn
      November 06, 2012 - 18:32

      To clarify - the government did not hand out any money to any companies on PEI. The money all came from foreign investors. The investor had to pay an application fee to the province to be accepted into the program. Many people have numbered companies for many reasons. Anyone can use the corporate registery to determine who owns a numbered company, so your claim that people are trying to hide is incorrect.

  • Sylvia
    November 06, 2012 - 17:41

    I'd like to know who the companies are that are listed with numbers - P.E.I. Inc. and Canada Inc. Obviously they're government. Would anyone have any idea what these companies are?

    • Shawn
      November 06, 2012 - 18:28

      Your observations are obviousily incorrect. Numbered companies are not government companies. Anyone can form a numbered company - either a federal corporation or a corporation from their province. A numbered company is simply a cheaper alternative to a named corporation. With a simple search of the corporate registery you can see who owns any corporation on PEI.

    • Islander
      November 06, 2012 - 19:34

      Not necessarily. Lots of businesses are registered this way.

    • investigator
      November 06, 2012 - 20:06

      It's a cheap method of registering a company. Some are govt, some are accomodations, restaurants etc. What is interesting is the amount of share holders a bed and breakfast cand have. 6 on one of them. Some names repeat. They will surface. If you want to know, google is a fine tool

    • JThomas
      November 06, 2012 - 21:19

      Sylvia, the companies are not necessarily affiliated with government. The "PEI Inc." and "Canada Inc." refer to whether the corporation was incorporated under the Canada Business Corporations Act or the PEI Companies Act. The person or persons are free to incorporate their business under either act.

    • Islander
      November 07, 2012 - 14:50

      If you want to see who owns these companies go to: http://www.gov.pe.ca/corporations/index.php put the number in the business name field and hit search

  • A Riculous Decision
    November 06, 2012 - 17:09

    The PNP program had hundreds of participants who followed the rules, and a few cheats (Liberal & Conservative) who abused the program for personal enrichment. The decision to release the names without the details has tarred them all with the same brush. This has turned into a witch hunt.

  • Unemployed and Broke
    November 06, 2012 - 16:25

    Perhaps you should post only the names of business that have NOT received PNP money. 39 pages of names. Just incredible... PS - And which lawyers and accountants have taken care of the funds?

    • yup
      November 06, 2012 - 17:58

      agreed!

  • Buddy
    November 06, 2012 - 15:44

    So it looks like every business on PEI.

    • Uggggggg
      November 07, 2012 - 07:39

      It's sickening to see so many names, yet they have since SOLD THEIR BUISNESS since receiving PNP money!!!! Also, a certain construction out fit received 10 units and gets alot of work STILL from gov, and never up for tender, just given to one certain island BUISNESS! CROOKED BEYOND BEILEF!!!!! One gov is as bad as the other!!!!! Wait and see how many units each one got.........

    • Kate
      November 07, 2012 - 08:12

      This list is a lot different from the list I saw a couple of years ago... seems to be a lot of names missing.... just sayin'