Support continues to slide for Ghiz Liberals: poll

Teresa Wright
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A majority of Islanders are dissatisfied with the Robert Ghiz government, according to the latest Corporate Research Associates poll.

Over one-half of Islanders polled in August expressed dissatisfaction with the provincial government.

This is the second consecutive quarterly poll showing unrest with the current administration and comes as the Liberal Party itself also shows a steady decline in support over the last year.

Poor economic conditions, unpopular budget cuts, civil service reductions and the announcement last spring of the HST coming to P.E.I. are all factors that have played into the Liberal government's continued decline, says Don Mills, chairman and CEO of CRA.

"More than half of the people in P.E.I. are currently dissatisfied with the government. When that happens over a couple of quarters, you tend to lose voter support," Mills said in an interview.

Premier Robert Ghiz’s personal popularity has also weakened. While it remained steady this quarter Ghiz has dropped 13 points compared to August of last year.

But those disenchanted with the Ghiz Liberals do not appear to be turning to the Opposition Tories.

While PC Leader Olive Crane is the only leader to see an increase in personal support in this poll, overall this year Crane has not significantly grown her popularity.

Her Progressive Conservative Party did see a bump in support this quarter with an increase of six points.

But Mills pointed to the fact the PC Party numbers were 'unusually down' last quarter. 

"If you look at the last year for the Progressive Conservatives, the highest they've ever been is 34 per cent and that was in November, right after the election. So they really haven't improved on the situation since the election," Mills said.

Don Desserud, dean of arts at UPEI and a longtime political analyst, said this poll is bad news for the Conservatives.

He did not lay the blame on Crane’s leadership, but said others likely will. Opposition parties are notoriously hard on their leaders, he said.

“It’s not so much that people blame the leader as they say, ‘A new leader will solve all our problems,’” Desserud said.

“It’s a simple solution, it gets people excited but it avoids questions that they might not want to face that their policies aren’t as popular or as coherent… so I think people are going to look at those numbers and it’s going to make Ms. Crane’s job very difficult.”

“It’s not so much that people blame the leader as they say, ‘A new leader will solve all our problems,’” Don Desserud, dean of arts at UPEI

Meanwhile, the NDP, who experienced a surge in support in the last quarterly poll, maintained their newfound strength. Eighteen per cent of Islanders polled said they would vote NDP, a number unchanged since the last poll despite the fact the party is currently leaderless. A leadership convention is planned for next month.

Mills said support for the NDP is growing across the region. And with P.E.I.'s party jumping from seven per cent support to 18 since August of last year, this represents a notable shift.

"A certain portion of the population are disaffected with the traditional parties in power - either the Conservatives or the Liberals - and they're willing now, because of the lack of progress that they've seen, to consider a third option," Mills said.

"I think we might be seeing the very beginning of a true third party system across Atlantic Canada."

Desserud said it will be interesting to watch what happens with the NDP’s support levels once a new leader is elected.

“I think that support is based on an excitement about the NDP on the national level and still probably some coat tails from Jack Layton himself, but you put a new leader in there and the focus changes,” Desserud said.

He said he believes it’s not necessarily the case that Islanders are turning from Liberal to NDP. He said actual vote counts during last year’s election indicate former Liberal supporters did not switch allegiance but rather refrained from voting.

“That seems to be more of the way in which people are dealing with issues these days – when they don’t like a party, rather than switching parties they simply will not vote at all.”

Support for the Green Party of P.E.I. and interim Green Leader Darcie Lanthier remained unchanged at 8 per cent and five per cent respectively.

The Island Party dropped from one per cent to zero for party support and, although former leader Billy Cann left the party to join the NDP last month, support for the Island Party leader remained at one per cent.

The poll results are based on a sample of 300 Islanders, conducted from between Aug. 10 and Aug. 31, 2012 with overall results accurate to within plus or minus 5.7 percentage points, 95 times out of 100.

 

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  • Analyst
    September 09, 2012 - 06:27

    The Liberals have lost almost one third of their support in less than a year.The trend will be interesting over the next few quarters. I doubt the trajectory will be so sharply downwwad. However overall the trend does appear to be one going to basement type figures. 33% is a shockingly low number for a Premier that was so gloriously and definitively re-elected less than a year ago. This could be the new Liberal baseline and if that is the case then definitely we have a multi-party sytem type contest emerging, at least for the coming election. The Liberals could still cling to a minority government with 33% but this number clearly seems achievable for the PCs and possibly even the NDP at 18% without leader at this time. Even the Green numbers are strong enough to affect results in some districts.

  • LIVED WITH NDP GOVERNMENTS
    September 08, 2012 - 14:27

    ISLANDERS ARE "NOT"HAPPY....WITH PENDING TAXES INCREASING ON 2013-04-01..JUST SO THE PROV GOVT CAN SAY WE BALANCED THE BOOKS,TO PLAN B AND THE STATE OF OUR DEBT........WILL THE NDP DO BETTER...I BEG TO DIFFER...THEY WILL JUST PUT "THEIR" CRONIES AT THE TOP OF THE FINANCIAL HEAP TO PASS OUT THE GOODIES TO THEIR FOLLOWERS!!!

  • nina bryll
    September 07, 2012 - 13:24

    I notice with interest some very intelligent notes here, promoting the NDP. This is something not seen before, and may indicate we have some enligthned thinking going on. Some substance, - but a word of warning, --- don't start spouting socialisme or you will be dead in the water. If you can muster a leader that may bear the NDP name, but who can strike an intelligent, caring and commons sense campaign, you can probably look to geat success. For those you want Olive out of the way, -- don't be fooled, the 'leader-savior' of the Conservatives maybe a clone of Ghiz. One not willing to spend the time in opposition, but ready to step forward and take the golden ring. I will give the party a chance that make a commitment, that the first order of business will be powerful re-call legislation.

    • Lemon-ade anyone?
      September 07, 2012 - 15:19

      Much (most?) of our legislation is derived from other provinces - given our limitations, that's not a bad thing at all. In fact, our Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act is almost word for word from Alberta. (Some would argue that the "words" removed only weaken the PEI Act.) British Columbia has re-call legislation. To read it just Google RECALL AND INITIATIVE ACT [RSBC 1996] CHAPTER 398. Yeah, it could be done . . . and it may be the only good thing that's happened as a result of this government.

  • voter too
    September 07, 2012 - 12:45

    VOTER is absolutely right, -- the money people have their feet in every camp, if you don't think for a minute that for example AMP is not donating to both parties, you can think again, the same with Irvings, the law firms etc. That is why the brass in the Tory party don't like Olive, she IS too honest, - and the sophisticated Islanders are eating it up, - let's dump on Olive, - she is this and she is that and comes November the BIG TORRY GUYS will have it all ready, one they will OWN will vie for the leadership, --- and again the 'sophisticated' membership, will agree, AND ON ROLLS THE SAME PATRONAGE CIRCUS BUT WITH DIFFERENT CLOWNS IN THE ARENA. wonder how long time it would take for the NDP to fall into that trap, ----maybe we should give them a chance to show us, -----------

  • I am surprised
    September 07, 2012 - 11:11

    I am surprised at these poll numbers. 42% of voters are satisfied with the Ghiz government? I dread to think what kind of a mess it would take for a lesser percentage to be satisfied. Time for the 42% to give their heads a shake methinks. This government is out of control, spending money on worthless projects that don't have the public's support (plan B, the Borden Hills, backing the Homburg Hotel, etc. etc) and bringing in a hideous HST to make the voters pay for their foolishness. The PCs would do no better as has proven to be the case in the past. The NDP are coming on strong and with a new leader, more of the 42% will see the light. Bring it on.

  • ANDRE C
    September 07, 2012 - 10:44

    Even if the provincial government balances the books every year from now on and records a $20,000,000 surplus for each year, it would take roughly 200 years to wipe out the accumulated provincial debt. That's how big the mess is folks!

  • voter
    September 07, 2012 - 09:03

    after a half century of watching closely i suggest these liberals are very representative of MOST politicians of ANY colour or stripe !!!!!!! do you think for a minute that the rich and powerful are going to let these part time puppets do any more than respond to the commands of those who control the wealth ?????????????????????

  • peter
    September 07, 2012 - 08:09

    HMR lists a number of wastful projects, I concur. I can testify to the incompetense of Dept. of Innovation, right from the start, - total pie in the sky with no idea of how to handle the day to day operation. I schutter to think of the impression these guys left on business people, they came to negotiate with. Between the Premier's right hand man, Chris something or other, the 'company lawyer', and we all know who that is, Billy something or others, (both with their own agenda) and a deputy scientist who had no clue about administration of anything, - the money out the window was staggering.

  • Gerard
    September 07, 2012 - 07:47

    Come on Islanders, stop voting as your parents did, Liberal or Conservative. Time to wake up and smell the roses. This Liberal government is NOW unofficially Bankrupt. They don't have a clu how to run the province. Time to bring on the N. D. P.

  • its a nosedive free fall rather than a slide
    September 07, 2012 - 07:44

    So soon as a leader thumbs his nose at the electorate, he goes into a nosedive which is more severe and irreparable than a "slide". Maybe a general lack of self confidence drives the leader into hiding withe the disgust among the voters. There is much nose diving on the fifth floor from the limp team it houses. thanks eh

  • itolduso
    September 07, 2012 - 07:40

    I think it is time we Islanders take a stand and demand there be a law passed that the people can call for a vote on Governments like this one and or laws like the change in the Tax system (HST) or Bad government projects like Plan B or the PNP mismanagement. We cannot afford to not have a way to keep future PEI Governments in check. We need a law that would give us back the democracy we should have in this great country. This Idea should also be made applicable to the Federal Level of government. It sickens me to think of the leadership we voted in because we Islanders think we couldn’t vote for anyone but a lib or con. I think now that any other party OTHER THEN the PEI liberals or PEI Conservatives should be given a chance to show what they can do. After the Ghiz government anyone can do better. You would have to really scrape the bottom of the scummiest barrel to find a worse government. I would also like to see Proportional Representation looked at again before the next election. We need changes to the system that is in place now.

    • Ad Hoc
      September 07, 2012 - 21:23

      We reached the bottom of the scummiest barrel on the day of the last P.E.I. provincial election. We are now looking under the barrel, where the earwigs live.

  • Quiet Observer
    September 07, 2012 - 07:36

    The sad part is, Ghiz and the boys will spend the last few years of their term sucking up to island voters, and if the Conservatives don't get a more popular leader, Islanders will vote the Liberals right back in again. Oh, and it won't be Ghiz. He is planning already for his exit before the next election.

  • Gregg
    September 07, 2012 - 07:11

    it is about time people see this but there should be away to stop a runaway premier when he knows he going out the door from making a total mess of our province and then no one will be able to fix it.

  • don
    September 07, 2012 - 06:59

    Garth Staples i can see where the liberals are in 3rd place now i can see them in 4th in canada as they will NO seats anywhere but PEI as islanders are to dumb to get him out. NB was smart theyt put the liberals out after the 1st term. WAKE UP ISLANDERS before PEI gets nothing from ottawa.

  • Amazed at NDP growth
    September 07, 2012 - 06:50

    It's pretty clear that the trend is away from the Liberals and the Tories are stuck at low levels. The NDP has jumped 11 per cent in a year and seem to be holding that support. With two credible candidates for leadership that party will likely make a break through in the next election. The only party truly spooking Canadians is the Harper Conservatives and that likely spills over to Olive Crane and the local Conservative Party.

  • John W.A. Curtis
    September 07, 2012 - 03:48

    The Liberals tampered with the election act to kep their second string club in power and they can't run the province. People are realizing there won't be a balanced budget in a couple of years and the Island's credit rating will suffer.

  • Bill
    September 07, 2012 - 01:44

    These goons simply disgust me, if only the Conservatives had a stronger leader, they may actually have a chance. Islanders will never give the NDP a chance,it seems. It really blows my mind that Ghiz actually got another term, it made me want to have a look at the way votes are counted on PEI. Perhaps, some day, we will find a government that truly reflects the needs and wishes of Islanders.

    • Haves and Have Nots
      September 08, 2012 - 06:01

      I absolutely agree with you that it is a mind blower to have seen Ghiz re-elected so wholeheartedly by so many people last year. It does not matter what leader the conseratives pick. Both those parties are run by back roomers of fund raisers and operators with their own private agnendas. Plan B is as much a Tory thing as it is a Liberal thing. Islanders can and willl elect NDP MPs and MLAs. A new young organization is working very hard. There are lots of new volunteers. A new leader will be in place in one month's time. I sincerely believe PEI is collapsing into a society of haves and have nots like we have not seen for many generations. The NDP will work hard to re-balance things. Everything is out of control now. Consider giving the NDP a chance.

  • don
    September 06, 2012 - 21:43

    where is dizzy ? he has droped on the face of the planet. but i guess he is hiding after his failures in the past 4.5 years plus his wife in trouble. but as i have said many times. what goes around comes around and he is getting his.

  • Trish
    September 06, 2012 - 21:31

    PEI needs to get RID of Ghiz!! Then perhaps the many many islanders that don't live at home anymore, might feel more welcomed in their own home. Ghiz is ruining PEI as a whole...and as an Islander myself who hasn't lived at home for a year, I'm sick of it!

  • ricknessman
    September 06, 2012 - 20:48

    If Ghiz uis not around, maybe we can do without him. Maybe he can do without us, - so please regsign and get it over with. With a steady decline, he should recognize where he would be in 3 yeasr time, - screw your 'handlers' , leave with a bit of pride left, - go now and let us get on with repairing the damage , -

  • Mitch
    September 06, 2012 - 19:37

    This is no surprise to me....it is about time that Islanders woke up and smelled the roses! I just hope that we all stay awake and remeber this when it comes time to vote again. Robert Ghiz will go down in history as THE WORST PREMIER in PEI history and for good reason too. His arrogance, lies, stealing, patronage, mis-spending and lack of compassion for ALL Islanders has been the worst Islanders have seen for decades. Pat Binns might have made some mistakes, but at least he listened to Islanders and tried to save industries on PEI....Ghiz and his snobs have done nothing but ignore taxpayers and turned their backs on us all. I just hope that everybody makes the right decisions when it comes time to vote and don't give Ghiz and his crooked government a single seat!

  • PEI is better than Rob-it Ghiz
    September 06, 2012 - 19:25

    Time for Crane to make a deal. It's a little thing called "you need me outta the way to win, here's what I want to be appointed after the victory." She's always wanted to be in cabinet and this is the only leverage she's got left. If she waits to be forced out the party will give her the old Pat Mella handshake. It's actually more of a foot than a hand. And it's really more of a kick in the rear than a shake. Your move, Olive.

    • Maybe yes, maybe no . . .
      September 07, 2012 - 11:05

      I'm not saying you're right or wrong. Why don't you give us a list of Olive's pro's and con's / strengths and weaknesses? It would be interesting to start being a little more clear about your often expressed opinion.

  • Logic Please
    September 06, 2012 - 19:09

    I wish that someone would truthfully explain the logic (financial and otherwise) that went into the hills of Borden, and also the hills of Bonshaw. I'm not convinced that either of these expenditures have a sufficient payback for Island taxpayers.

    • More Logic
      September 07, 2012 - 19:44

      Even though many don"t perceive Olive to make a great leader (or Premier), perhaps it would seem logical to give her a chance. If she would gather a group of good and honest people around her for guidance and assistance, and bring island decision making back to some kind of acceptable reality, it would be a welcome change. Shame on the Liberal bunch who don't come clean on decision making. Granted, previous governments got arrogant after a term in office also. I helped put the Liberals in power, but now I'm disappointed in what I see -Borden hills, Bonshaw hills etc. We don't need a leader so much as a group of wise leaders who will use some logic, and level with us, the taxpayers..

  • Nor'easter
    September 06, 2012 - 18:43

    so where is the big surprise wirh a bunch of knumb-skulls like that .....I voted Liberal all my life , but not last time. I'm guessing not next time either...lol

  • Tim
    September 06, 2012 - 18:31

    42% of the popular vote would still win a majority.

    • TIM - Your warning is terrifying . . .
      September 07, 2012 - 14:37

      TIM, thank-you for your warning. If it were not for the rate of decline, the situation would be terrifying. However, you're right . . . even based on the rate of decline, Islanders cannot depend on the Liberals slipping below 10% - 20% by the next election. If only the media would be more diligent in shedding light on what's really happening maybe we could demand an impeachment or recall or common sense! The real question may be: Why must Islanders wait for another election?

  • LC
    September 06, 2012 - 18:31

    HST...hated sales tax has really done them in. There may not be anyone left to vote in the next election, we will all have to move to be able to have any standard of living. The shoppers who now come because of the absence of provincial sales tax on clothing and footwear will stop coming and tourism dollars will be down. HST is a Huge, Stupid, Tenacious mistake and voters will make it known in the next election

  • W.Wilkins
    September 06, 2012 - 18:14

    As a long time Liberal, I was able to put HST, PNP, bootleg tourism contracts and much more aside. Stuff happens. But, Plan B was the kicker for me; not only because of the road itself, but because of what it represents: the opposite of liberalism. One of the necessary features of liberalism is being included in the decision making process. Unless one thinks that "being told" is the same as "being involved" Plan B represents the opposite of that fundamental liberal ideal. Inclusion? There is no evidence of inclusion. The sound of petitions, citizen plebiscites, countless letters, unanswered questions, opinion pieces and public protests is the sound of banging on a closed door, not the sound of conversation. Yet, as ludicrous as the position is, this government still maintains there was sufficient involvement in the decision making process. Manufacturing a sense of futility by wearing people down is not being included. It's not being a Liberal - it's being a bully. A political philosopher once said that "soft despotism" happens when authorities use power not to destroy, but to "enervate, extinguish, and stupefy a people.'' Well, I had to look up the word "enervates" and I found out it meant: Cause someone to feel drained of energy. Yeah, Plan B represents what this government does best - it tries to put us to sleep. One of my biggest fears is that it's working . . .

    • We've lost much more then we know.
      September 07, 2012 - 18:56

      Sufficient involvement in the decision making process? As this sentence is being read, homes are being torn down. And this is happening before the results of the last "input" meeting have even been read. (Yes, Vessey shamelessly still calls them input meetings.) There has to be a stronger term than "bullying" for this one; it really is repulsive.

    • Ad Hoc
      September 07, 2012 - 21:17

      Well said! Best post in this thread.

  • Fed Up
    September 06, 2012 - 18:01

    Has anyone realized that once a government is elected for the second time, they don't care WHAT they do to "their" people....or if they get in for the 3rd time or not? They get 90% of their FULL PENSION.........so why worry what they do??? They can sit back and draw in big money - and not do a thing! SO Ghiz and his government can do what they want......then draw their big pensions.....so I wouldn't care either, would you??? They all have big incomes - and most of their wives do too...they certainly don't care about those of us who have small salaries OR NONE AT ALL - or how many are driving miles and miles to and from work.....who cares if someone gets killed? Certainly not our provincial government. They will leave being noted for HST, (which they say won't hurt anyone? FIVE families in a shoestore last week - from Nova Scotia...say they shop here to beat the tax......but won't next year! Don't forget funerals going up 9%...I "think" this affects "little people" as well as the rich? And other provinces are laughing at us....universities off Island call us "The Round-about Island"......something for us to be proud of...eh McKinley?

  • johnthames
    September 06, 2012 - 17:33

    Only two liberal governments left in Canada folks. Let's be sure and get rid of PEI's disgrace next time around, and get a few NDP members in the House to keep em honest. PNP, HST, Plan B, Health PEI and the list goes on and on. Maybe the RCMP will do it for us before 2015, but if not, it's over soon Ghiz, and you will go down as the very worst of a bad bunch. Makes me want Pat Binns back, and that takes quite a bit I'm afraid to say!

  • John W.A.Curtis
    September 06, 2012 - 16:53

    There is no referundum on the HST, We have no Provincial Ombudsman, the Liberals changed the election act to suppress opposition, P.E.I. is getting pounded with the PNP, there is no right to recall politicians . Islanders are realizing patronage is beginning to smell

  • Mark
    September 06, 2012 - 16:06

    When most people see CRA, they associate that with the Canada Revenue Agency. So, shouldn't the Corporate Research Associates Poll take the acronym CRAP???

    • they were first
      September 06, 2012 - 20:08

      Corporate Research Associates has been around for decades and has used the CRA acronym a long time before the Department of National Revenue, later Revenue Canada, was renamed to Canada Revenue Agency. You obviously are a Liberal or PC supporter and are dissatisfied with the poll results, since both parties fared very poorly. That doesn't mean that you have any right to slander a 3rd party polling company. If you don't like the results, work to fix them. Obviously a growing number of Islanders are not connecting with the 2 old parties and are looking at change.

    • Marie
      September 07, 2012 - 07:34

      Oh Mark....too funny, but it kind of smells CRAP either way LOL

  • HMR
    September 06, 2012 - 15:41

    It is a surprise that the support of the Lieberal government is so high! This Ghiz government is as stated below is one of the worst governments in PEI history! Ghiz is in the first real job in his life; and is in away over his head from a summer patronage job of a golf course marshal. His idea of creating jobs on PEI, is to move Depatrments from Charlottetown to Summerside,Montague, Kensington and Tignish, with resulting excessive duplication and cost. He promised to get rid of patronage; but he is setting new records of patronage! Just yesterday; he hired a new Depuy Minister,, who was a senior advisor to the Lieberal party, and a leading accountant for the PNP file. The huge debt that his government has created through issuing millions of taxpayer dollars to foreign companies to build those large empty buildings in Kings couty, at Upton Park and several other areas of the Island. It is no wonder that he has gone under ground, and is not been seen or heard from for weeks!

  • Retrospective
    September 06, 2012 - 15:23

    I think many have been a little disillusioned at the fact that this apple may have fallen a little further from the tree than they had hoped. Joe reached out to help a lot of different groups of people when in power - even farmers (which incidentally used to be the #1 industry in this province), but the latter aren't even on this administration's radar. It may have to do with the fact that he was young, inexperienced and had to make a lot of promises to big business in order to get his foot in the door. I think the majority of the electorate is looking for a lot of things in a leader especially in these economic times, but more than anything - integrity, a listening ear and the earnestness to make life better for all, not a select few - a champion for all islanders instead of cowtowing to the powers that be. Is Danny Williams coming out of retirement?

  • alfredd
    September 06, 2012 - 14:13

    Wilkl be interesting to see the polls once we get the HST and once they start tearing up the land around Bonshaw. I for one detest this government for its lies and deceit and arrogance. But where is Ghiz, out looking for an other job? Or why is he off Island for a while? Hiding? Why did he not come out and hold a public meeting on Plan B, explain himself, talk to us, hear us, --- no he is too good to spend time with the peasants, -- the King of the Castle - The Emperor without brains oh, I mean clothes, I guess it was.

  • isargent
    September 06, 2012 - 13:20

    The biggest handicap faced by Islanders is the absolute lack of competent and honest governance. The second biggest handicap is an `entrenched and powerful bureaucracy with nobody but themselves to answer to.

  • Sbear
    September 06, 2012 - 12:16

    Being dissatisfied with government will be the same for whatever party is in until they learn how to spend our dollars. Just because they get more dollars from taxes etc, does not mean we the public want them to spend it especially on items to please a few people. We want our government to take a strong stand on our finances and spend our money on needs not wants. It is so insulting to us as tax payers to see our taxes wasted.

  • josh macintyre
    September 06, 2012 - 12:08

    Finally people are waking up to the fact that Ghiz is useless and in I-OWE-YOUs up over his ears. The Civil Service is dysfuntional, you can't do business anywhere in the Government in one day, since nobody are at their desks, and all you get is an answering machine. Ghiz has no clue that you cannot keep decipline and standards when those you should to keep to standards are the ones you golf with every Friday afternoon. That is why the deputy minister of tourism that screwed up with untendered contracts were promoted to be deputy minister of Innovation , -- how could he fire someone he dallies around with on the greens. An other example is the Deputy of Innovation , the Boi Science Park genius, now spreading his incompetense at Dept of Education. This is what happens when you elect a person who hs never lived in the 'real' world. His promoters however are rubbing their hands with glee as they manipulate this poor boy to ruin the Bonshaw area, - probably the same ones thaty concoted the Borden Hills project- some people call them 'fund raisers'. The tragic part of all this is that we cannot get rid of him right away, but have to endure the destruction of this most beutiful area. -- One silver lining, the road will b e there forever and will remind us every time of what we lost and who did it to us, and forever preventing 'the destroyer' from getting elected anywhere to anything.

  • don
    September 06, 2012 - 11:17

    well dizzy really does not care. they all get there pensions now thanks to liberal voters. so suffer you put him in. you knew they lied after the 1st election but islanders were dumb enough to put him back in. but he thinks you will put them all back in next time.but thats ok by the time he is done our great great great great grandkids will still be paying of the money he gave away.

  • Michael
    September 06, 2012 - 11:16

    Is this really breaking news i don't think so we all know that the support for ghiz has been declining

  • kirk
    September 06, 2012 - 11:14

    OK.... Robert Ghiz has to do whatever the majority government tells him to do and the majority government is where Crane resides. So "Islanders" think! Who are going to vote for now. I know that I'm not fooled by it. Neither will get my support. One won't stand up to Harper and his regime and the other just has to point fingers at him. I'm not saying I will vote for NDP or the Green Party but both look good compared to the other two right now!

  • Sylvia
    September 06, 2012 - 11:08

    This government is the worst government we've ever had in P.E.I. We're not living in a democracy, we're living in a dictatorship. If you agree with what this government says and does, then they will listen. If you disagree, they turn a deaf ear. Robert Ghiz is the worst premier ever and I didn't vote for him in 2007 or 2011. I hope he'll be gone in 2015.

  • Garth Staples
    September 06, 2012 - 11:05

    The Liberal Party in Canada is slowly being replaced by the NDP. By May of next year there will only be 1 Liberal Govt in Canada, PEI! The stars are lining up as PM Harper has planned. More and more Liberals, spooked by the NDP's socialism, are turning to the Conservative Party.

    • Captain Canuck
      September 06, 2012 - 16:24

      Nothing wrong with socialism there, Garthey Boy. But then again, Ghiz is no socialist. In fact, I don't think he has any politics at all!

    • Not by the Numbers
      September 07, 2012 - 08:03

      This post stands out for its bizarreness. Here is what is really happening in PEI politics. The New Democrats, yet to confirm a new leader but enlivened with a very enthusiastic group of supporters, have established a substantial polling base over two quarters now. 18% is higher than I can ever remember for the NDP on PEI. It is higher than the 16% that the NDP got Island wide in the last federal election. It is solid brand support waiting to get behind a new leader and new candidates. In the year since the provincial election, the NDP has taken about seven or eight points from each of the Liberals and the Conservatives. It seems rather even in terms of the drift from each of the old mainstream parties to the NDP. As this pattern unfolds there will be a very competitive three party system in PEI within a year or so, The Greens will continue to do quite well also. Even with these last two polls we see 26%- over one quarter- of islanders indicating support for these two smaller parties. This also is a hitherto unforeseen trend on PEI. Following the emerging pattern the NDP will continue to siphon support from each of the Liberals and the Conservatives in similar proportions and share with the Greens the overwhelming majority of new, young voters coming on the scene. No young person has a single reason to support either the Liberals or the Conservatives. These trends have little do with the 1950s red scare fear mongery of the kooky post above but derive from informed, open and objective relaization of the two old red and blue parties as incompetent, corrupt, opportunistic and not interested in confronting the challenges of the day nor our future. This is not argumentation. It is evidence based via the public record of the full range of federal and provincial policies and decisions we see before us today. The attempted derision of the 'socialism' comments are contradicted by polling numbers and seem ro be influenced by a wayward, knee jerk US Tea Party delusionality. The way out there post above seems to have little to do with the political culture of PEI or of Canada. It relates to none of the numbers we see before us in polling. I heard the CRA exec indicate that the third party system is clearly emerging across Atlantic Canada but that PEI may be last to manifest the change. I disagree for specific reasons to do with PEI politics today. Compared to 2007 the current disappointment of young people with Robert Ghiz is staggering. A young leader has come across as quite ' old' in his thinking and actions. The specific failures of Robert Ghiz as anti-democratic, anti-human rights, anti-immigrant, anti-environmentalist, and anti-transparent haves left a huge pent up demand for political leadership amongst young people and progressive thinking people on PEI. The most likely world view of the new voter today is to group the Robert Ghizzes and Garth Stapleses of this world as part of a common package of redundant and oudated political values. Your old Tory and Liberal fights were contrived sporting distractions that have kept us from dealing with the real issues of income, employment, education, health and the environment for far too long. It is time for the old two party sideshow to shape up or fade away. We need a real debate on real issues in this our very real world. Not the paltry labels and hackings of leftover partisans from a previous century. That is what the last two quarters of CRA polling for PEI are suggesting.

  • John G
    September 06, 2012 - 10:56

    What would happen if the NDP ever got a really credible leader?

    • Joe Martell
      September 06, 2012 - 13:10

      A 'credible' leader? What difference does it make? The LIEberals took 23 seats last time, and take a long, hard look at who their leader is! Credible? It doesn't matter in PEI.

  • Steven Wakelin
    September 06, 2012 - 10:40

    The Ghiz government is so far out the door, Robert Ghiz does not have a chance to escape this mess he made. It's going to be hard times for the islanders with the HST Ghiz sold us out for and the drought pushing the cost of food high and higher.

  • My Guess is,,,,
    September 06, 2012 - 10:40

    My guess is you will now see someone like Sheridan jump ship....a rat always abandones a sinking ship!