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Time for new thinking on P.E.I., says Calgary mayor

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi Submitted photo

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi

Published on August 15, 2012
Published on August 15, 2012
Nigel Armstrong  RSS Feed
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University of Prince Edward Island.The , Calgary , Atlantic Canada , Alberta

The Mayor of Calgary has some startling advice for Prince Edward Island.

Naheed Nenshi  is on the Island to deliver the keynote address at the third annual Palmer conference at the University of Prince Edward Island.

The conference is devoted to excellence in public administration and this year is focused on immigration.

Nenshi does not like the lobster-pot observation that Islanders never like to see anyone succeed. Like lobsters nearing the top of the pot, others will be there to drag them down, the folk lore says.

"Here in this part of the country you will call it the lobster in the pot," said Nenshi Wednesday. "In the prairies we might call it the tallest sunflower gets cut down.

"I don't think we can afford to do that in a global economy," he said. "I think we need to be creating Canadian businesses and people who are champions globally. If that means we have to support them to be champions we have to learn how to do that and I think that is something that all Canadians could choose to learn from.

"We should start with understanding that immigration is un-ambiguously good for Canada," said Nenshi.

"We need it, we have to have it and in addition, we have to be very, very thoughtful about cultivating it.

"One of the challenges that Atlantic Canada will continue to face is the whole come-from-away attitude.

"Do we think about people differently and treat people differently if they haven't been here for a really long time and what does that mean for our future prosperity?"

Calgary and Alberta is full of smart, talented, successful people who came from Atlantic Canada, said Nenshi. He often hears them say they don't believe their talents and energy would have been appreciated back in Atlantic Canada "because they weren't from the right clique or the right name or the right background," said Nenshi.

"I don't know how true that is but certainly if people in the west are saying it, then it's something that we here in the east probably need to think about," he said.

"I always say the same thing, that Calgary is successful precisely because nobody cares what your last name is, nobody cares who your Daddy was, and nobody cares where you went to school.

"What they care about is, do you have good ideas, are you willing to work hard and what do you bring to the table.

"That was how I was able to be so successful there. Nobody batted an eye when I was elected mayor as a first-generation Calgarian, the son of immigrants from a minority faith community.

"People just sort of said, 'Seems smart. Has good things to say about transit, let's give him a chance.'

"To me that is one of the core, core facets of success to this whole country and it's something that we should embrace.

"The smallest province can benefit from it, just as much as the largest province can," said Nenshi.

As for new thinking at a personal level, Nenshi might be doing just that here on the Island.

During post-election interviews on national media in 2010, Neshi said he never does back-to-nature vacations or camping. He said he likes cities and he vacations in cities and cities are the vital engine of society.

On P.E.I. he's staying at the Morrison Cottage in Stanhope.

"This is so weird for me," said Nenshi. "I'm saying 'where is the fast Internet?' but I went to the theatre last night, doe's that count?

"I spent most of the day on a beach today," he said Wednesday. "I didn't know what to do. Does one go in the water? Is there public transit to explore? How do we manage the urban issues here?

"We went in the water," he said, laughing.

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    NextGenIslander
    - October 1, 2012 at 00:52:21

    It's troubling how many commenters can't seem to grasp that PEI is just delayed in everything; culture, globalism, opportunities, etc. I am a fulltime university student and I have the internet so nowadays I can be apart of online communities and contribute to ideas just like any other Canadian who has the internet but I am prepared to have to move away as there will always be greater opportunities out there. Sure I am born with cultural influences but I feel that there is a decent (but growing, especially in my generation) number of people here, like me, who have an open mind about everything, especially race which makes me think a lot of you haven't actually been here lately? For example the UPEI campus, I could boldly estimate, has I'd say around 20-25% enrolled students and faculty who are "minorities" and it is something that takes a little bit to get used to but it would be the same if a community of Islanders inhabited a city in Pakistan or Malaysia, right. I couldn't care less where my fellow students are from in a "hindering" sense, and I see that most students share this feeling. In contract, I always try ask where people are from and learn about different places. Moral of the story: the future is bright! As an aside, a nice woman from the Bahamas in my biology lab the other night heard my Islander accent and thought I was from the Southern U.S which I found both funny but interesting (I guess the hick-ish sound haha)....

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    Betty
    - August 22, 2012 at 20:52:19

    All of the reasons for the way of thinking on PEI would make sense and would support my experiences on the Island when I attended school there. There is 19th century mindset towards females. Females are disrespected, bullied, harassed, targetted and there is nothing that will be done to stop it. (although like others mentioned here, there are lots of laws and policies in place- all look good on paper, but none are followed. Would never recommend that any female attempt to go to school on PEI. It was a very negative experience and one I have not experienced at any other school or place!

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    Twiggy
    - August 20, 2012 at 11:38:11

    I offer a differing perspective from the Islander vs. CFA or Us vs. Them argumentation thread of the comments on this story. Nenshi has part of the answer here but there is much more. To fully understand the situation we must look at how things are actually really done here on PEI. The birthright ideology is not about excluding people based solely on xenophobia. Some suggest it is simply culturally engrained. There is much more to it than this. The ruling elite- through both their Liberal and Conservative managers- does not mind new people especially retirees as long as they are quiet, conservative types. They do, however, despise people who do not go along with the status quo, whether the offenders are born here or not. The real issue is the insistence that nothing on PEI change- no access to abortion services, no concern if laws or policies consider human rights, the unhindered pollution and destruction of the environment, arbitrary deals and funding for projects and contracts without tenders nor processes, and the general back room style of unaccountable government. People who exploit government for their own wealth creation do not want anything to change on PEI, and they use several Christians, many property owners, the offspring of past leaders and community figures and yes even many public servants to retain the status quo. The ruling, permanment elite recruits Islanders to serve their purposes. Islanders are manipulated to think that the elite is protecting them from outside forces. But, in truth, this is all about maintaining the overall status quo. The ruling elites despise vocal Islanders as much as they do potential CFA upstarts. I have always been upfront with my political criticisms in relation to MLAs, Liberal and Conservative. I do not genuflect to elites. I hav eked out a living as an advocate for people in need. I care about policies not about family pedigree. Many elites and their partisan representatives would not care if I , and a number of others, left the Island and would never return. In fact a few would quietly applaud. And I was born and raised here. Nenshi's intervention is a necessary message for us to hear but only if we understood the full context, a reality which all adults on PEI clealry know to be true already. The issue is not only about discouraging people from moving or living here. It is not just about high skill levels though that is part of it for sure. The central goal of the ruling elite is to allow only the changes they see as in their own interests. Behind every prevailing prejudice there is a purpose and it is usually about these powerful people getting what they want. To fully understand PEI Nenshi would have to consider the difference betweeen the new resource rich West and the older, more controlled East. His region has competititon over benefits of oil and other minerals, and a generally real political debate on ideological grounds about the future. On PEI we have a non-competing elite divvying up the benefits of a government system- funded half by Ottawa. We only have land, people and a government system that is consitently manipulated for wealth creation for the few. We have a mushy and shallow political centre and no substantive political debate. Government is manipulated for the benefit of the few and old prejudices can be used to fuel the politcal strategy. The Ghiz government's handling of PNP is a classic, large scale example of this hard reality on PEI. Many millions of dollars have been transferred in an accountable manner. As today's Guardian story on the Yu family demonstrates few immigrants were retained here through PNP. The Liberals splashed the cash around for political support and had a well funded re-election campaign. Most Liberal activits ( or Tory ones for that matter) have not been lamenting the departure of the PNP immigrants who were supposed to be settled in businesses and communities here. I have not heard them complaining very much and I suspect the all powerful behind the scenes rulers are very comfortable wiht the result as well. If prejudices- they bloody well got their visas and therefore they can go to blazes- diffused the PNP scandal and fueled the Liberal re-election then I do not think I see too many people worked up about it. PNP is the case study for my argument as my articulated here. And a lot of educated and powerful people know exactly what I am talking about. Resitance to both new people and change to governance go hand in hand in this little island in the sea.

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      Left Island ways
      - August 20, 2012 at 18:50:59

      Twiggy: After living on the island, your explanation makes sense. I had lived both in several countries and provinces before moving to PEI. Living on the island was full of extremely bad experiences due to people not following rules, extreme unethical behavior, bullying behavior beyond anything I had ever seen in my life, to name a few. I hope I never experience this horrible behavior ever again as I have left PEI. Silencing victims is huge on PEI. The way in which people behaved, especially those who were educated, was always confusing to witness and experience. However, Twiggy's explanation makes sense of what I had experienced while living on the Island. The immigration scandal is seen as horrendous in other parts of Canada; as well as. other countries. As well, this scandal speaks volumes about one of the many negative aspect's of life on the island.

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      Jane
      - August 20, 2012 at 22:06:09

      Twiggy gives a clear explanation of why things happen the way they do on the island. It is now understandable why I was threatened so much when I reported fraud and abuse. I was not one of the quiet ones who would go along with such highly unethical and atrocious behavior. No one dares challenges the status quo even if it is harmful, unethical, and promotes wrongdoing. It explains why laws and policies are not followed and why government offices and/ or institutions do not follow written protocol and why there is no real compliant process. It explains the problems with the human rights office, education and health, for example. It also explains why I was told to leave the island if I refused to be quiet (I was challenging the status quo). If I were to expose this, I was told the multitude of ways they would have to make me move off the island while discrediting me. It was frightening with what I was threatened with. So, I was forced into leaving . It also explains why people outside the island are more outraged and upset with the way the PnP program was handled.

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    Ex PEI Kings County Guy
    - August 20, 2012 at 00:22:34

    I left PEI for Alberta over 50 years ago, because there were opportunies available out there. Staying in PEI I thought would provide me only with just enough income and a living to get by but not allow me to be all that I could be, because that to me was the mindset on the Island at the time. However it's a beautiful place but not a place you want to live in all year round, and the winter climate does'nt help. Alberta is cold in winter but it's a considerably drier climate. I and my family were able to make a sucess of life here, and could never return to the unfortunate negative attitudes of Islander's, at least the attitudes of that time. Nenshi is our mayor here but time will tell at to how effective he will be! Look to the south now, Obama is proving he is not what he was orginally cracked up to be.

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    cattassetum
    - August 19, 2012 at 15:05:07

    Mr Nenshi had the guts to bring this topic up in a straight forward way. Smart guy speaking his mind... An asset for Canada.

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    defmn
    - August 19, 2012 at 11:50:15

    As interesting as the article was the comments about it are clearly more entertaining and educational. My wife and I just bought a house in Charlottetown and plan to move there in the next few weeks. I am more curious than ever now as to how that decision will work out.

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    From away and left island
    - August 19, 2012 at 00:09:05

    For those who say, if outsiders don’t like it here then leave; well, we do leave because we are harassed, abused, violated, slandered and totally destroyed as a human being. The issue is not about leaving after this occurs, as people do leave. The issue is the deceitful manner in which the island lures people to move to the island due to the opportunities to go to school, retire, start business and so on. What is not told is that no one follows policies or rules that they claim they follow as written as rules and regulations. There are major violations of human rights, basic rights, that all Canadians have in this country. But, if your human rights are violated by any institution associated with government, then you do not have any rights. There are biases and further violations of one’s rights with Human Rights. Appalling and shocking that this would occur in any province in Canada. All policies, rules, regulations, protections are on paper only. They are not followed and if one makes a complaint then they will be destroyed. Yes, destroyed! So, when luring people to the island, the least one would expect is a bit of honesty. State that all rules and regulations are in writing only and not followed so come at your own risk. State that there are major human rights violations and nothing will be done about it, except to be further violated when one makes a complaint. State that people are not only harmed, abused, violated but totally destroyed as a result of trying to live on the island. State that unethical behavior is the norm and if one does not conform then they will be destroyed. Be honest with what you do with people “from away”! When luring people “from away” be honest when promoting people “from away” to come here to study, work or retire. You ultimately destroy them!!!

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    Anthony N. Chandler
    - August 18, 2012 at 00:45:08

    Sadly, he has no idea what he speaks of. To understand the complexities of a culture that has been ingrained in peculiar paths is not so simple as coming in from the West with big ideas from the runaway economy. Islanders resist change because they need to hold on for dear life to what they have. There are no opportunities. Resources are weak. Big families control the system to a degree, but those families are the only solid source of employment. Yes, I would love for the Island to change deeply enough for me to be able to return with the chance to raise a family there, but the reality is that unless oil is discovered by the mayor of Calgary, then his meandering opinions are worthless. Talk to Islanders about their condition, and it is dire, but they do not want to live in Calgary, Toronto or Vancouver. That is why they stay, and why others leave. Transit is not the Island Way. Their buses are empty. Why ride a bus when Jimmy will drive you, and then you can connect with him about his night? What the mayor should do is speak to Mayor Ford...that man needs information because it might actually improve our way of life in Toronto. Leave Prince Edward island to its unique holding position in lieu of attempting to improve it in a misinformed way from an inapplicable paradigm.

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    LeftDueToAbuse
    - August 17, 2012 at 16:25:31

    Great that he spoke at UPEI, hope there was a high attendance from those at the school as they could learn a great deal from this speaker! The worst behavior and disgusting mindset came from those who were supposedly educated. That is what was so shocking as one would not expect such disgusting, abusive, narrow minded actions from those who are being educated and those with PhDs.

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    Janet Gaudet
    - August 17, 2012 at 10:17:17

    I was born in Charlottetown, lived in Moncton for 14 years when my Dad was transferred with C.N.R., lived in Toronto 1958-59, have spent most of my life in P.E.I. Mayor Nenshi is a smart man with good ideas. His phrase "nobody cares who your daddy was" sums up what the problem is in P.E.I. It's exactly why we got stuck with the leadership we have. There's too much emphasis here on "who was your father". A person can have the finest father and mother and still turn out to be a poor excuse for a human being or a person can have a rotten father and mother and turn out to be an exceptional human being. It's time to stop electing people because of their family background, their social contacts, where they were born. We need people who really care about the future of this province and if we don't stop losing young people to western provinces, we're going to be in much more serious trouble, if possible, than we are now.

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    intobed
    - August 16, 2012 at 22:53:39

    I wonder why Alberta's masters, the oil companies, allowed the mayor of Calgary to come to PEI. And what kind of report he will file with them.

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    nina bryll
    - August 16, 2012 at 21:11:48

    TO LA: No I am not superior, I am lost, I can't fathom why people can vote for such blatantly shallow, there was every evidence that Mr. Ghiz was not up to the task, everybody witness the unethical treatment of the woman who went to the RCMP regarding the PNP. The Ethics Commissioner is still looking into that , --- and we will never get the answer, it has been burried. Thius is just one example of the evidence of ineptness if not down right dishonesty before everybody when they went to the poles. -- No I am not superior, - I honestly can't understand the mindset that could re-elect such a government. I am sorry and reluctant that rather than improving after being elected it became worse, - plan B, HST, spending our hard earned money on silly notions and loans to buddies, a celebration in 2014 to the tune of 75 mill dollars -- a new convention centre, the Kays building, and now proposing a new building for the MLA's ---- we have a headless rider.

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    The C-Town Heist Gang
    - August 16, 2012 at 17:43:11

    People need to change on PEI as you can see news is travelling. I saw him speak on compass, one of your main industies is tourism. Not going to help if people are saying PEI has alot of nice people, but my god they are paranoid and full of narcsists, and treat many people like crap. Use your heads. I'm 34 and lived here since I was one, ONE, and you don't want to know how I've been treated, including by the so called cops. I lived in Banff and travelled to Calgary many time, it's full of nice down to earth people. And he's right, the office jobs that support the oil industry could be ANYWHERE including here with the internet and all. I work in an office where most of the clients we service are from all over Canada, including BC. I hope this guys speech makes some of you think the next time you decide to go on a rampage of idiocy

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    Andrew
    - August 16, 2012 at 17:38:47

    Bruce Macwen, thanks for not wasting our time, we don't want you. I could go on with the obvious reasons but why bother. When you stop taking my tax dollars in equalization payments, I will be pleased to listen to your drivel. Till then - well, you know!!

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    peiGuy
    - August 16, 2012 at 16:55:02

    What a breath of fresh air ... any chance we could talk this man into staying awhile?!

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    johnthames
    - August 16, 2012 at 15:41:30

    "I always say the same thing, that Calgary is successful precisely because nobody cares what your last name is, nobody cares who your Daddy was, and nobody cares where you went to school. Yes indeed. Anyone with brains got hired by the Fed or left years ago. They sure weren't hired by the province that's for sure. Ghiz perpetuates this mentality through patronage, its offshoot.

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    X Business owner
    - August 16, 2012 at 15:09:36

    Fyi for anyone trying to start a business here from real life experience. You will come under attack from people you dont even know like "Random" audits (Thats what the tax department calls em if someone calls in). Fabricating rumors of poor work ,moral or ethical choices. Its really incredible that so many people seem to be able to do nothing all day but stir the pot of deception. Readers Digest (R) had a story about psychopaths a few months back and i now know ive met more than my fair share on PEI trying to do business.

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      THANK-YOU Mr Nenshi
      - August 16, 2012 at 17:03:56

      You nailed it 110 % THANK-YOU Mr Nenshi ! * * * Unless YOU have had YOUR Head stuck up Your BeHind for all of Your life YOU DO KNOW what this intelligent Gentleman says is 110% + CORRECT. What Mr. NENSHI said is 'spot on.' YOU Know It, I Know It, We ALL Know it. * * * The Time Has Come, long overdue for Prince Edward Island to 'grow-up,' for Islanders to get better educated, in touch with "The Real World of TODAY, 2012-2013." Just in this past decade All of Us have seen, some made Victims of of because of Who You're Daddy/Mommy is. ANTIQUATED - FAVORITISM PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND HAS GOT TO CHANGE OR Continue to live like a 3rd world, backward country, an Enbaressment to Yourselves and the rest of Canada which already views You'all as a pack of Hillbilly Jokes. (FYI - THE jokes that use to be about Newfoundlanders, NOW Are - How many P.E.ISLANDERS does it take to screw in a light bulb? etc.) IMO-PREDJUDICE & DISCRIMINATION + FAVORITISME = PEI

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    wow
    - August 16, 2012 at 13:24:40

    You know why Connaughton got high praise?One good reason is he did the right thing. How refreshing and lost that act has become. Maybe we should all try it on and make it a fad, maybe it will even stick. That would be a much better world.Be honest. Take responsibility, think of others. Be true to yourself with dignity and set an example............have integrity.

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    concerned islander
    - August 16, 2012 at 12:32:40

    does naheed nenshi realize how shallow the gene pool is in government and the justice department on PEI. and does he realize that canada was formed by a sneak the one and only John A. MacDonald. canada has never been a real country. how do you think the atlantic provinces stole the barley off the westeren grain farmers for 70 years and pissed it up against the wall with UI wellfare. this corruption goes deep in the roots of canada. pal if you think your speach is going to change the atlantic provinces you need to seriously talk to somebody or get some kinda help.

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      Amanda
      - August 16, 2012 at 13:08:52

      So, what you're trying to say, spelling errors and all, is that there is no hope for change of any sort when people speak up. By that logic, when no-one speaks up, there should be a boat load of change. Sounds great. I'm thinking you need some help and maybe a little more education.

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      Garth Staples
      - August 16, 2012 at 15:56:32

      Amanda-------me thinks someone else needs to rethink their attitude. Sounds like you could use a little edumacation yourself!

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    Bill Jones
    - August 16, 2012 at 12:17:00

    He's right about the petty jealous and victorian era worldview that are almost like castes. But its laughable that Calgary is successful because of this veritable 'lightness of being' where no classism exists. Of course it is, because everyone is doing well! And why? because you discovered lottery tickets below the ground. PEI and NS bailed the Alberta treasury out in the dust bowl drought- i wonder how open, accepting and cool Calgary was back then when ten of thousands were riding the rails. He's smart, but needs to do a bit more travel and talking to people.

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      Of Course
      - August 16, 2012 at 15:52:50

      Another disgruntled Islander, who is complacent in life...bi$ching and moaning about everything and everyone and who will do nothing about it either way. And I don't mean Nenshi, Mr. Jones.

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    PJones
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:53:02

    Unfortunately, the reality that needs to interrupt the fantasy, is that for the most part modern immigration does not equal incredibly skilled innovators coming here and re-invigorating our country with their fresh ideas. It involves scores and scores of unskilled laborers doing their 'innovating' at McDonalds and call centers, low income housing exploding all over the landscape, and increases in crime rates. The more 'innovated with fresh ideas' a Maritime city becomes (coughHalifaxcough) the further away it goes from being like Atlantic Canada and the closer it moves to being like the rest of the world. I like my Atlantic Canada just fine the way it is. If our culture and social contract is maintained by being exclusionary, than as sad as that is, so be it. I'd rather maintain our culture at the expense of some people's feelings than make everyone happy and slowly move towards being Detroit with lobsters.

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      gonegonegone
      - August 16, 2012 at 18:51:46

      PJones - quit being delusional. How do you propose Atlantic Canada survive in its own bubble, unique and untouched from the rest of the world. You are most definitely part of the problem with the east coast.

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      Life-long Charlottetown Resident
      - August 16, 2012 at 20:35:25

      Well said, PJONES!!!!! I suspect most of the comments on here, are from immigrants (people outside Canada) or imports from other provinces. If you don't like whats offered to you here, by all means, move on! We ( citizens from here ) like our complacement ways just fine!

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    George
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:50:37

    As a Calgarian, I agree Nenshi should be very careful in making any statements that could be seen as lecturing from afar. He is generally a modest and warm individual. I hope he hasn't come across an arrogant guy from a big city. His comments on not knowing what to do on the beach were funny. Typical of him. He's very different, a real nerd but very likeable and extremely hard working.

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      Yes, George
      - August 16, 2012 at 18:25:16

      He is likely a great fellow; however, to real islanders, he is just another CFA with too much to say

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    voter from away too
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:43:24

    all of you who are saying """ real islanders think something about someone""" else should be aware that if you really knew how seldom people thought about you and your origins you would realize how out of proportion your thoughts are--paranoia comes to mind !!!!--people are not going to fall all over you after you have been here a week or two and why should they ?? they are busy with their way of life and probably never think of you !!! get used to it !! if you are fragile enogh to listen to the comments of a few .then grow up !!this is life and not everyone will like you !!HARD TO BELIEVE---isn't it !!!

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    Islander
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:31:13

    Allelulah! Couldn't have said it better. This is a story that should be on the front page, because it so painfully true that it is earth-shaking. I am an Islander born and bred, and I love it more than anything, but I am sick and tired of the way things work here. For us, it is time to leave. Things have not changed here as far as attitudes go in the past 50 years (or more), as much as we all claim to be enlightened.

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    islander
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:04:52

    Mayor Nenshi hit the nail on the head re. the mentality that PEI and the Maritimes suffers from. I used to live in Calgary. The biggest mistake I ever made was returning ''home'' to PEI. What a waste of money that was! What PEI really should do is merge into Nova Scotia .

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      brian williams
      - August 16, 2012 at 22:29:57

      No,No, not Nova Scotia--they have no $$$ and high,high taxes--how about Newfoundland ?

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    tammy
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:02:59

    As a former resident of P.E.I and now reside in Ontario. Well the conversation about bringing people in the country that have money we up here don't like we are wanted. They over power us and take our work and do it for alot less so believe me be careful what some of you are wishing for. Ask anyone from Ontario

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    robert
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:02:27

    There is only one thing islanders dont like. change My wife and i were cfas.After 3 and a half years we left pei. I have never seen people so afraid to stand up for what is right. what a shame. In case you didnt notice the new generation of islanders have moved away.

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    intobed
    - August 16, 2012 at 11:00:10

    When I lived in both Calgary and Edmonton, the people I got to know who were born and bred in Alberta were some of the most closed minded and arrogant people I have ever met, and I have met a lot of people. When asked if they had ever been east (since they certainly had negative opinions of us) they would indignantly reply "My parents took me to Winnipeg when I was ten!". Their idea of world travel was a two week trip to Cancun in the winter. They didn't care about people, MONEY was their only God.

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    Quiet Observer
    - August 16, 2012 at 10:31:12

    Scarey when the mayor of calgary undestands more about the PEI mentality and it's detriments to this province moving forward than most Islanders do. Islanders seem to live with our heads in the sand not recognizing the damage that our patronage (political and cultural) does.

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    voter from away
    - August 16, 2012 at 10:29:25

    try going to another area and calling the natives down !!!!! see what you get !!!!! when you are an accomplished student of island life ,mr mayor, please read this article and see how biased you sound !!!

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    Nor'easter
    - August 16, 2012 at 10:26:16

    Naheed is right on the money. Most of the time when someone moves here they are always outsiders, I've heard it from many people whom have moved here, weather it be a wife, bussiness or doctor, always treated as an outsider and god forbid you be succesful and do real well for yourself. Oh their family had lots of money before they came here or they got all their money from the government to set up their success, is all you hear about the (come from away folks). People are pretty closed minded here and alot are not too willing to help others. We are missing out alot by being this way

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    nina bryll
    - August 16, 2012 at 09:13:01

    As a come from away, I have this to say: Some Islanders are open minded and I have some Islanders as friends. However at election time I feel like a totally outsider. I cannot fathom how Islanders can vote for the candidates they do. That Ghiz was elected bogled my mind. The notion that you can't turf a government after one term no matter how arrogant and ineffective they are, goes byond reason. I can't get my head around their (Islanders) thinking. That is when i feel I don't belong. That is when I say, where are their heads, - why can't they think straight.

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      Janet Gaudet
      - August 16, 2012 at 10:08:53

      Nina, I was born here and have lived here most of my life and I don't understand the way Islanders vote. It's almost like a religion in some families. Several generations in that family have voted the same way so god forbid that someone in that family should vote differently. They might get ex-communicated. I've said it over and over, there are 5 parties on the ballot, not just 2. I get very frustrated at the narrow view some people have when they mark their ballots. There is no question in my mind that Robert Ghiz got elected simply because his father was a premier. It shouldn't be that way and I hope that's going to change in the next election. I think there's too much navel gazing in P.E.I.

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      LA
      - August 16, 2012 at 11:43:44

      Well, good news! I've identified your problem for you. Your feeling of not belonging is entirely self-generated because you feel that since you don't understand a certain thought process, the rest of us can't think straight and you are superior. It's that condescention that naturally earns you dislike and sets you apart. You even said it yourself.

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    Leaving
    - August 16, 2012 at 09:01:59

    The CFA mentality is not an in-your-face agenda. It's something that is ingrained and happens whether people realize it or not. We prefer our little neighbourhood and regions and anyone else is foreign, a tourist, a walking wallet. We want them to bring their piggy banks to PEI, but we would prefer they just ship them here, and not even come at all. Many Islanders have a bloated concept of business loyalty and avoid new-coming businesses: our fathers did business with each other, and so will we. We don't really need fat wallets on PEI, but they are welcome. What we need is a higher level of education and reliable but affordable infrastructure, Island-wide, which will produce creative new business owners as well as a low-overhead and talented-workforce that will attract international businesses. What we don't need is more cigar-smoking "buds" out to make money off the rest of the Island.

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    bob from cardigan
    - August 16, 2012 at 08:52:20

    Here we go again. Another elite who think they know what's best. The answer is not that simple.

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    Janet Gaudet
    - August 16, 2012 at 08:50:17

    Few months ago I heard Mayor Nenshi speaking on radio and what stuck in my mind was when he said "nobody cares who your daddy was". Right away I thought of Robert Ghiz and how he became premier simply because his father was premier. Mayor Nenshi is absolutely right. There's too much of that mindset in P.E.I. I was born here, have lived here most of my life, and I can see it very clearly. I can also understand why so many young people are leaving and going west.

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      intobed
      - August 16, 2012 at 16:38:51

      Janet, Robert Ghiz was elected because his political party had more votes than any other party. To say that was solely because his father was premier before him is foolish. And to lump the whole Island into this mindset is like saying "all blonds are dumb", just a stereotype.

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    Donnie
    - August 16, 2012 at 08:40:42

    "Calgary is successful precisely because nobody cares what your last name is". The reason Calgary, and Alberta are sucessfull is oil, otherwise Calgary would be exactly the same as Regina or Winnipeg, and Alberta would be the same as Saskatchewan and Manitoba. The reason Eastern Canadians excel there is the job oportunities the oil provides directly or indirectly. Nothing to do with what mayor or premier they have, it's very hard to screw up a government that has more than adequate funds coming in to pay for everything, which Alberta does, because of oil.....not it's politicians.....in fact they have so much money coming in from what the oil companies create, they don't even need a provincial tax....let alone being forced into the HST.....

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    Summersider
    - August 16, 2012 at 08:08:27

    Here in Summerside, there seems to be the opposite mentality. People from away (other countries or just the mainland) are embraced and given the best jobs especially at city hall. And look where this is getting us ... declining growth. This "schadenfreude" (German term for taking pleasure in others' failure) that the mayor of Calgary speaks about applies to multigenerational Summersiders not multicultural ones.

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    Rick packing now for the west P.E.I.
    - August 16, 2012 at 07:56:06

    You nailed it 110 % thank you Mr Nenshi. This is why I left P.E.I. for Toronto in the early 90s and the exact same reason I am leaving for the west for good now. I have outworked my business competition and made a living here but always from the wrong side of politics,religion and my honor will not allow me to kiss butt and milk the goverment teet like my competitors. When I lived and did business in Ontario it was a level playing field. So long backwards Island.

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    Domino
    - August 16, 2012 at 07:05:52

    The story in the print version today is much better than this web story. It has much better quotes from Calgary Mayor Nenshi including--- " I always say the same thing, that Calgary is successful precisely because nobody cares about what your last name is, nobody cares about who your daddy was, and nobody cares about where you went to school." The first lesson for Islanders is to stop buying into political leaders and candidates because of their parentage, the unmitigated chaos of the Robert Ghiz government being the case study for the ages. I notice that Nenshsi did not offer any b.s. about PEI's imagined immigration successes. He knows the difference obviously. I also note from the Palmer Conference agenda that there is no rep from the PEI government speaking at this conference held on PEI and focused on immigration. No big offering on our immigration policies? No bragging about PNP? This silence screams!!!

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    vick
    - August 16, 2012 at 07:03:23

    Bring imigrants in that have money to invest in your country and are able and want to work! Not those that want to have many many babies and strap our system even more! Enjoy your city life bye bye!

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    From Away
    - August 16, 2012 at 06:11:25

    I have seen many people who moved to the Island and then destroyed simply because they were "from away" (not born on the island). Islanders do not accept these people, especially if they excel. They will be the first to be bullied, harassed and ousted off the Island. There will be many people skirming in the audience when he speaks! But, in other areas where there have seen successes and progress, especially in this economic downturn, this does not occur. Hopefully, Islanders will begin to change this destructive habit.

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    Albertalover
    - August 16, 2012 at 05:49:51

    If PEI had someone like Naheed as PEI's premier, this province would turn into a glory of success and a lot of VERY happy islanders. I support Naheed 100%. This article is like a true breath of fresh air! Naheed said everything I wish I could say to PEI.

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    Dan
    - August 16, 2012 at 00:36:54

    He often hears them say they don't believe their talents and energy would have been appreciated back in Atlantic Canada "because they weren't from the right clique or the right name or the right background," No, its because we have had generations of useless governments who cater to Toronto and Quebec,, so, anyone with half a brain LEAVES..... people go where the jobs are!

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    bruce macewen
    - August 16, 2012 at 00:29:14

    Well,sounds a little different and refreshing than King Ralph Klein's attitude a few years ago about us being "Eastern creeps and bums." Could Mayor Nenshi be doing a little damage control? If he is,it's "too little - too late" for me. I'll never forget the story of a drunk "Premier" Ralph Klein going downtown in his limosine,entering a homeless man's shelter,giving them a drunken lecture about getting jobs,firing a few dollars on the floor,then hopping back in the limo to return to his castle.Ever since then,I said it would be a dark day before I ever darkened Alberta's door and I haven't yet.They can have their capitol driven system that's been referred to as a sick society,I want no part of it!

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    Jimbo Johnson
    - August 16, 2012 at 00:15:23

    The mayor may be onto something, but comparing Calgary to PEI is a little off base. I have a brother living in Calgary and he doesn't even know his neighbors. There are more people living in 2 city blocks in Calgary than there are in the entire Province of PEI!!! The concept of it doesn't matter what your name is but what your contributions will be work perfectly in larger centers. In a small populated province like PEI, what you know will never matter.................who you know will get you ahead of the pack. Government unions protect ineffective and incompetent staff from being fired and private industry just does not pay enough in these parts. Therefore the exodus of intelligent PEI talent to Calgary will continue for decades to come.

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      without a T
      - August 17, 2012 at 16:20:47

      Jimbo, I couldn't agree more with your Statement," in a small populated province like PEI " WHAT you Know will NEVER Matter.....WHO YOU KNOW will get you AHEAD OF THE PACK." It's definitely , more than time that the NEPOTISM , rampant throughout our island was swept away and replaced by an attitude that VALUES WHAT a person KNOWS!!!

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    WeAreSoSpineless
    - August 15, 2012 at 23:37:58

    This fear of "come from aways" doesn't exist anymore. No one cares where you're from anymore, that generation is retired or about to retire. The percentage of people who dislike having CFAs as part of their community is simply not what these people think. Individually, people are accepted here like anyone else. If anything, Islanders are more unfriendly with each other, not the CFAs. Muslims may very well be unfairly scrutinized, but this isn't an Island phenomenon. Of any culture coming to Canada, it just so happens that the Muslim community clashes the most. People are apprehensive, not ignorant. We see Muslim women submitting to restrictions that women here in the West have fought for generations to escape, we see random gang beatings in Ottawa by Somali teens screaming "Allahu Akbar", we see parts of Paris and London overrun and ruled by Sharia law, and I needn't mention the rabid anti-Semitism. What I just mentioned is of course not the typical Muslim influence, but it's an influence all the same. We aren't seeing a huge deficit of Muslim immigrants on PEI because we're ignorant, we're seeing it because our capital city has lots of remedial jobs for 5-6 months of the year, then the cold, grey winter sets in and there's nothing. Ask the hundreds of Indian immigrants who came, saw and left after their first winter. We're still a have-not province, and no matter how many immigrants we welcome in, we can only sustain tourists and farming for a few months. If you want to fill a call centre, software development studio or health clinic up with immigrants, by all means, do so. Our CFA attitude won't slow you down one bit.

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      LA
      - August 16, 2012 at 11:50:41

      You are quite right on all points. The only "CFA"s I've seen have problems in recent years are those who come with a chip on their shoulder and an attitude that they are superior for having come from a larger population density, and that we must immediately become Mini-Toronto to suit them. In short, those who want their cake and eat it too. You can't have a safe rural community and mini-Toronto at the same time. It doesn't work that way. I think we have come to terms long ago with a balance between a functioning true community and inclusion of outsiders. It's the economy that drives young people away these days. I see it all the time. Many don't want to leave but have to. We should be catering to them instead of shoving them out the door while bringing new people in to fill their gap. That's silly.

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