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ATV joyriders fuel concerns of Island farmers

Bertha Campbell, chair of the Federation of Agriculture Guardian photo by Mary MacKay

Bertha Campbell, chair of the Federation of Agriculture

Published on February 9, 2012
Published on February 9, 2012
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Compensation sought if farmlands taken for highway projects

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Federation of Agriculture , Trans Canada , Canada Revenue Agency , Iceland , Queens

Island farmers want the province to beef up enforcement against ATV joyriders who have caused serious damages to crops and property and provide compensation for farm lands taken out of production for construction and development projects.

The two points of interest were part of a list resolutions approved by the Federation of Agriculture during its recent annual meeting.

The issue of farmland use focuses heavily on the proposals for changing the route of the Trans Canada highway through Crapaud and Tryon.

“We’re talking about unauthorized people using all terrain vehicles on farmers’ private property,’’ says Bertha Campbell, chair of the federation. “Several farmers have had crops; livestock and property severely damaged by ATVs and in many cases were unable to find out the identity of the operator.”

Campbell said the word ‘unauthorized’ is important because farmers, as well as their families and staff, use ATVs at times.

“The problem arises with trespassers driving through without permission,’’ she explained, noting government should increase the enforcement of the Trespass Act and Off Highway Vehicle Act to prevent more damage on private farms.

The issue of compensation for farmland is a hot topic because of the proposed changes to the TCH through Queens County regions.

The motion stated that if projects do impact agricultural land, a new policy should allow for “timely advance notice” and “fair compensation” for both renters and users of the land.

“We’re just asking that every possible effort to protect agricultural land be taken when projects such as new roads are being considered,’’ she said. “Agricultural land must be seen as the precious and finite resource it is…a necessity for feeding people.”

The federation is also intending to lobby the Canada Revenue Agency to have wind turbines qualify for an investment tax credit under the Income Tax Act. Many farmers have invested heavily in wind energy to provide electrical power as well as generating additional income on farms.

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  • Username
    sleepless in NB
    - April 22, 2012 at 17:02:32

    It's saddening to hear that the PEI government doesn't take the rights of home-owners seriously. We moved across the globe from a mega-city in Europe exactly to ESCAPE noise pollution, and unfortunately the "country home" in NB we purchased turned out to be located in a hot-bed of ATV activity. NOISE POLLUTION!! NB government funds an ATV society but doesnt require them to PUBLISH the location of trails. Naturally the real estate agents and sellers of the home lied to us - assuring us it was a peaceful and quiet neighbourhood. SO (now understanding that Canada is not as universally civilized as we had been led to believe) we're now looking at moving (with expense and loss, of course) to another part of Canada. I had hoped to bring my family (and my ten million dollar software business) to PEI, but from posts like this it seems that the PEI government lacks any concern for basic human rights

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    Snowmobiler
    - February 10, 2012 at 15:10:22

    No matter whether it is ATV or snowmobilers, there are operators of both types of machines who don't respect private property. Putting ATV's on the trails will not help. the same as with snowmobilers who won't pay for passes and freeload off of those of us who do. The majority of the troublemakers are the ones who don't have passes registration or insurance on their machines. They operate under the feeling of entitlement or rights. The other problem with the trail is that a sled puts down less than a pound per square foot of pressure as it operates. an ATV tears up and ruts the ground with it's tires. I know I have both. You cannot maintain a properly groomed trail system here for both. The snowmbiles won't track safely,comfortably, and without damage in the ruts of an ATV. The trail is not wide enough to sepate them safely either. We cannot compare PEI to other provinces with a different rock base and wider trail corriddors.

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  • Username
    Fed Up With ATVs
    - February 10, 2012 at 14:29:34

    ATVs are very popular in our area. The main problem with that is that we are farmers that own the majority of the farmland and fields where we live and no one seems to have any respect for any of it. No one seems to realize that if you drive through a potato field, EVEN if it's on the edge, you can be spreading diseases from one field to the next on your tires that can be quite detrimental to our crops. Those of you complaining about spray? Think about this, we need to spray even more when these diseases become more widespread from ATVs transferring them instead of just being able to contain them in one area. Another issue is that some people buy ATVs for themselves or their children when they do not own any land themselves, and don't bother to ask any permission at all before making their purchase. If you're yard is 10 feet wide and you don't have anywhere else to go, don't even waste your money on an ATV. The other problem I have with them are that they race up and down our main road at all hours of the day and night. Where are the police on this one? They seem to catch lots of cars on our road for speeding, rolling stop signs, etc, why not the ATVs? Bertha Campbell has my vote. Don't even get me started on snowmobiles in our yard...

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    Silky
    - February 10, 2012 at 14:27:48

    After reading these comments and living in USA I cannot believe these individuals are allowed to go on private property and infringe on people's way of life. Looks like there are some real woozies in government. Islanders deserve better. There is a noise ordinance in my town and anything such as a barking dog that goes over property line brings out the police if reported. First call a warning. Second call mean see you in court.

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      the canadian reason
      - February 10, 2012 at 23:39:33

      @ SILKY.... The reason is that Canada does not entrench property rights in our constitution. The Crown holds right to all property, regardless of whether it is private or public. But you can still be charged if you trespass on private property and that's what should happen to these ATV operators. This is only going to get worse. PEI is always 30 years behind other provinces and the only reason that ATVs haven't been as big a problem over the past decade is that there isn't much public land in rural areas to operate them.... and rural PEI is quite poor with people barely able to afford cars, let alone toys like an ATV. That's changing though.

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    just a thought
    - February 10, 2012 at 12:52:07

    Got land? Thank an Indian.

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      Whitety
      - February 10, 2012 at 15:10:33

      To "Just a Thought" I bought my land with my hard earned money........not given something for free.

    • Username
      agree
      - February 10, 2012 at 23:39:29

      @ WHITETY.... You are wrong. Land in Canada is not a right under the Constitution. You merely pay for an opportunity to enjoy it for a period of time. It can be expropriated, reassigned, granted, etc. by the Crown at any time. Take your racist thoughts to the USA where you belong.

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      Where
      - February 10, 2012 at 22:56:54

      Buying stolen goods does not make them yours.

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    dean
    - February 10, 2012 at 12:04:20

    if atvs could use the trails we could pay fees like snow mobiles to keep the trails in good condition with the number of atv's today and continuing to increase it would bring in a lot of money for the trails witch a lot of them not even being used and could police it better

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    snow job
    - February 10, 2012 at 11:10:05

    Highest cancer rate in Canada..........highest asma cases in Canada......... highest nitrate levels in our ground water in Canada.........don't forget the fish kills.................HAVE YOU THANKED A FARMER TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      Johnny Storm
      - February 10, 2012 at 17:06:51

      Snow job; let us know when you are presenting your scientific paper on your accusations. We'll go...right after supper.

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      dm
      - February 11, 2012 at 09:53:47

      best comment by far!

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      Farmers daughter & ATV owner
      - February 14, 2012 at 15:06:00

      @ Snow Job- What did you have to eat today???? DID YOU THANK A FARMER FOR THAT MEAL? Without farmers you would starve....your someone from the CITY that thinks your so much better then everyone else....I come from a 4th generation farm where not ONE person in my family has had/ or has cancer ever! And we are surrounded by fields where pesticides are sprayed....And as far as having the highest asthma cases??? don't know about that one either???can't be due to farmers thats for sure! Go back to "google" and try typing in your information again because you're so full of BS... And back to the thank a farmer....seriously are you that dumb??? Stop and think about where food in the stores and resturants come from.... @ WHITETY I agree 100% @ NO REGARD FOR ANYONE OR ANYTHING - ? Did you ever think to approach them and ask if they could please not drive on your land? They would probably listen they do 99% of the time...Wouldn't call the mounties then it would probably backfire.. @ DM - You're right! except the mountie calling part....

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    NO REGARD FOR ANYONE OR ANYTHING
    - February 10, 2012 at 11:06:53

    These individuals make rednecks look like angles. They have complete disregard for other people or other peoples property. My front lawn looks like part of a traffic lane. These uneducated, unclouth, individuals have complete distain for anything that does not fit into their way of life.Perhaps sometime in the future you make grow some brain cells and realize that you are not the only person on earth.

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      someone with an education
      - February 10, 2012 at 23:39:25

      An ''angle''.... why are you bringing geometry into this? And what does ''unclouth'' mean exactly?

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    DM
    - February 10, 2012 at 09:35:34

    Now that the winters are getting shorter atvs are becoming more popular, atvs usually follow trails, if a farmer doesn't want people in that filed anymore then they block it off and put up sings most of the trails are on public land anyway, if you don't want atvs on your property put up sings 99% of us will compile with them as for people going out and doing donuts on freshly planted crops they obviously have a death wish or something and will get whats coming to them that being said i know lots of people with atvs and absolutely none of them would do that a few are farmers themselves. the trails are made on the side of planted fields which helps if anything with water run off, I find it hard to believe there's a large group of people out there destroying crops, around where i live they would get their tires shot off if they were doing that kind of thing. We respect farmers land and they respect us by letting us pass by on the sides, 99% of us aren't hurting anyone and if we had a provincial trail system set up for them and registration like new brunswick it would help are cash stricken province out , which in turn would help farmers. NORA MACDONALD if i had atv's keeping me up all night id go out and talk to them anyone who i ever told to not come on my property never did again maybe thats just me i don't know, maybe call the mounties they will defiantly be happy to talk to them, if all that fails pull down the blinds and put some ear plugs in or get in touch with some crazy like TIM TONKIN to come blow the damn tires off them, that might lead to charges for you as well tho so be careful on that one.

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      SO
      - February 10, 2012 at 22:57:33

      So you can rip up anyone's land as liong as they didn;t specifcally tell you not to? Can you steal if a store doesn't specifically tell you not to?

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    islander
    - February 10, 2012 at 09:07:18

    Well then let them use the confederation trail for a fee like the snowmobilers but a yearly pass and enforce security for it - it is simple like everything else make it more legal and more money for the island cause people are not going to stop driving them cause the dealers are not going to stop selling them

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      no way
      - February 10, 2012 at 11:11:27

      Unlike snowmobiles which run on a groomed layer of snow, ATV's create ruts and would cause a tremendous financial burden for the taxpayer which is responsible for trail maintenance. The cheapest solution for the Government of PEI is continue to ban their use on the public trail. If ATV operators want to run these machines somewhere, they should do so on private property where they have permission to do so.

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    Not a farmer
    - February 10, 2012 at 09:07:02

    Have some common sense for those riding snowmobiles and ATVs and remember who feeds you.... our farmers. Thank them for it. Respect them for it. And stop your bellyaching about pesticide use, which is necessary - unfortunate - but necessary.

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    islander
    - February 10, 2012 at 09:06:51

    Well let them use the confederation trail and charge a fee like the snowmobilers but a yearly pass and enforce security. It is simply make it more legal and more money for the island - because they are not going to stop driving them because the dealers are not going to stop selling them....

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    • Username
      simple solution
      - February 10, 2012 at 11:31:32

      Provincial government can ban their sale and use in PEI completely. That would solve the problem. 95% of land in PEI is private anyway, so might as well. You can only own an ATV if you can prove that you own a large enough piece of land to operate it on.

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      Resident Kane
      - February 10, 2012 at 14:26:35

      simple solution: People use ATV's for work on their own land. Not only can this not be done, they would never even think about it. A person land doe not have to be big in order to need one. People could use them for hauling firewood out of their woods. And trust me, it does have to be far to wear you out when hauling wood.

    • Username
      simple solution
      - February 11, 2012 at 14:53:50

      I don't dispute that they aren't used by some land owners working their wood lots. But they don't need to have loud mufflers or be able to go fast. The provincial government should require that they have mandatory governors on them that can't be easily modified - or else put very small engines in them, so that they can only go about 15-20 kph at most. Roughly the same as a farm tractor - after all that's what your argument is for keeping them. Eliminate their sport use altogether but allow them to be used as a tool on the farm. That's it.

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    Wallace Cameron
    - February 9, 2012 at 23:44:08

    Farmers have to be careful about reporting ATV riders who trespass lest the farmers find one his barns burning or livestock killed. The kind of people who see nothing wrong with trespassing on their ATVs would think noting of coming back after dark to let the farmer know he should have kept his mouth shut.

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    waldorf
    - February 9, 2012 at 23:38:45

    on the other front, pei residents want farmers to quit poisoning our streams and rivers .........

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    Nora MacDonald
    - February 9, 2012 at 23:37:17

    We have alot of people using ATV's on our property......I worry about their safety and have had a young boy come to the house because he tipped his ATV on the property. We've had up to 20 at one time riding around. Its not that your there, its when you drive onto the part of the property where our house is at 10 or 11 o'clock at night..........its just rude. We have jobs and need to go to bed and not have our sleep disturbed by the noise and lights that late at night. We don't even mind if people use the other 15 acres........just stay off the two we live on. And be careful and mindful of what is on the property. Our land has wires on it........they were there when we moved in and we don't even know where they all are. It would be nice if people came up to the house and asked to use the fields........we'd say no problem but we would point out the dangers..........and that goes for snowmobilers as well. Just be careful out there please......and have respect for the home owners.

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    Nora MacDonald
    - February 9, 2012 at 23:36:57

    We have alot of people using ATV's on our property......I worry about their safety and have had a young boy come to the house because he tipped his ATV on the property. We've had up to 20 at one time riding around. Its not that your there, its when you drive onto the part of the property where our house is at 10 or 11 o'clock at night..........its just rude. We have jobs and need to go to bed and not have our sleep disturbed by the noise and lights that late at night. We don't even mind if people use the other 15 acres........just stay off the two we live on. And be careful and mindful of what is on the property. Our land has wires on it........they were there when we moved in and we don't even know where they all are. It would be nice if people came up to the house and asked to use the fields........we'd say no problem but we would point out the dangers..........and that goes for snowmobilers as well. Just be careful out there please......and have respect for the home owners.

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    tim tonkin
    - February 9, 2012 at 20:58:28

    Start blowing the damn tires off those jerks bikes and they would soon learn to stay off land. Now all the A.T.V lovers will be on here saying it is only a few doing it .If it is only a few why is it so wide spread?

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      Dean
      - February 10, 2012 at 12:04:42

      i am a atv owner and not all people are like that yes there are a few out there but you get that with everything we are respectful of farmers land my father in law was a farmer. if we are going to blame things on all of the atvers for the act of a few maybe we should start doing the same with everything else. And yes if we were able to use the trails it would solve some things it would generate more money for the trails and then they could police it better and extra money to keep them looking good the atv's could even drag them to keep then smooth. and Tim going blowing tires off them ... your the jurk think before you open your mouth!!!!!

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