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Abortion groups call Ghiz ‘hypocrite’

Premier Robert Ghiz

Premier Robert Ghiz

Published on January 21, 2012
Published on January 20, 2012
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Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada , Supreme Court , P.E.I. Reproductive Rights Organization , Iceland , P.E.I. , P.E.I.Officials

Two abortion rights groups are accusing Premier Robert Ghiz of hypocrisy for his refusal to make abortion available in P.E.I.

Officials with the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, a national pro-choice advocacy group, were shocked to learn earlier this week that Ghiz was appointed co-chair of a national premiers working group aimed at developing ideas and methods to improve health service delivery across the country.

Joyce Arthur, executive director of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada (ARCC), said she finds it insulting Ghiz accepted this position after he told the women of P.E.I. in December that the Island’s lack of abortion services will remain status quo.

“Under the 1988 Morgentaler Supreme Court decision it’s a legal precedent that it’s a constitutional right for women so there’s no excuse for him not to provide it and I just find it insulting, really, that he would accept this position (on the working group) and treat it like such a good news story when he’s really abandoned women on the Island who need this service,” Arthur said.

She called Ghiz’s acceptance of his position on this committee ‘hypocritical.’

“How can he be leading other provinces in figuring out how to improve health systems when he’s got this albatross around his neck?” Arthur said.

There are no laws or specific policies banning abortions in P.E.I. and they could be performed in the province if a doctor with the proper training and skills applied for operation room privileges to provide this service.

But in December, Ghiz said the Island’s lack of abortion services will remain status quo under his administration.

A local pro-choice group that has been calling for abortion to be made available in the province is also calling Ghiz a hypocrite over this decision.

"I just find it insulting, really, that he would accept this position and treat it like such a good news story when he’s really abandoned women on the Island who need this service." - Joyce Arthur, executive director of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada

The P.E.I. Reproductive Rights Organization (PRRO) unearthed a motion introduced by Ghiz in the legislature in 2006 when he was leader of the Opposition. The motion called on government, then under the leadership of Pat Binns, to ‘respect the Charter of Rights and Freedoms of all Islanders.’ This motion was in response to the Binns government’s appeal of a Supreme Court decision regarding its firing of provincial employees based on their political affiliation.

Entitled “Respecting the Charter of Rights and Freedoms,” the motion urged the government to adhere to the Charter.

Kandace Hagen, spokeswoman for PRRO, said she believes Ghiz’s recent statements regarding abortion represent an ‘alarming about-face’ from his stance in 2006 when he demanded government’s actions and policies fall in line with the Charter.

“It’s disappointing that a leader who has defended the rights of Islanders in the past has chosen to turn his back on them in this case,” Hagen said.

 “This is obviously an instance of putting politics above principles, and meanwhile the health of Island women is being compromised as a result.” 

Hagen added she hopes reminding Ghiz of his past commitment to the Charter might result in a change to his stance on abortion access in P.E.I.

Last weekend the Liberal Party of Canada  passed a resolution during its biennial convention last weekend proposing to suspend health funding to provinces like P.E.I. that limit access to abortion.

The Guardian has requested comment from Ghiz on this resolution by his own party, but the requests have gone unanswered.

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  • Username
    me
    - January 25, 2012 at 09:31:30

    whats the big deal , everyone goes off island to shop, see a concert, visit friends...so why not to kill a baby..this world sucks and its getting worse all the time.

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    Jessica
    - January 23, 2012 at 10:27:43

    It is a very bizarre to see a Liberal government go so renegade in regard to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Issues in the real world do not work out the same way as in my recent university studies, I am really waking up to what is going on.I voted NDP federally and Liberal provincially last year. I had no idea the provincial Liberals were opposed to a woman's right to chose. I voted for Doug Currie so I am very interested to see his response on the federal Liberal resolution. It was mentioned in the newspaper last week that he would be responding but I have seen nothing from Doug Currie on the issue. .I am very interested in reading what he has to say on the resolution.

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    • Username
      Yeah so
      - January 23, 2012 at 12:19:08

      I wasn't aware that groups that were Prochoice and used the charter as a justification were willing to throw out every other freedom we have simply because abortions are simply not convenient enough. I guess freedom of religion, freedom of expression, and the basic principles of democracy are outdated concepts and need to be thrown on the scrap heap of history so that the all mighty abortion can be more convenient than a dental checkup. Now there is threats that money to perform life saving procedures should be held hostage,just to make things more convenient for them. You can drive to Moncton to visit a Costco, but your willing to let people die because it isn't convenient enough for an abortion. Wasn't before, but count me off your little jihad against democracy.

    • Username
      Prochoice
      - January 23, 2012 at 17:09:19

      Democracy isn't about doing things because they are popular. Even if 99% of people voted against abortions, banning it is still wrong and shouldn't be tolerated in a free society. This is about fundamental human rights and no government can ever take these away. You can't have a free society if important things like this are left up to the whims of people who'se only qualification for making a decision is that they are 18 or over and haven't killed themselves doing something stupid. We have judges, who are trained in these things, who have determined what the right answer is, and we need to accept that rather than calling for some sort of public vote where the results are meaningless anyway.

  • Username
    Sunny
    - January 22, 2012 at 23:24:44

    Did anyone comment on the Feds blackmailing PEI by withdrawing healthcare funding? How democratic is that? Also, if it's wrong for religious zealots to manipulate the gov't, shouldn't it be said that pro-abortion activists also manipulate the gov't? Let everyone lobby, not manipulate. I think. If PEI can't afford even an adequate number of GPs, how can they afford an "abortion specialist" and the necessary medical equipment and hospital beds etc. ? At least use the funding for PROTECTING life, not for REMOVING life.

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    • Username
      Prochoice
      - January 23, 2012 at 09:29:57

      The Prochoice position is not manipulating anything. It simply is a basic human right, which is recognized federally, where provincially the conversation is being controlled by the ultraconservative religious who can't accept that women are now considered people and not property like your car or couch. There is no valid reason to support the antichoice position, and no reason to accord any respect towards them. As one poster pointed out, engaging them at all just drags down the coversation. It should be obvious to anyone, that you don't need a specialist. All you need is to hire a GP that has an attitude a little more modern than the Amish and doesn't use leaches as a first resort. I don't understand why these things are so hard for people to understand.

    • Username
      How
      - January 23, 2012 at 09:27:51

      How are the Feds being manipulated? You obviously don't understand the issues.

    • Username
      To Prochoice
      - January 23, 2012 at 10:06:53

      OMG, are you serious? Tell me that this is just a bit of over the top rhetoric. I don't really care one way or the other on this issue, but after that little rant I'm losing what little respect I have for your movement. If it is a choice between abortion and democracy, I'm for democracy. Sorry, you've just lost a potential supporter.

    • Username
      To Sunny
      - January 23, 2012 at 12:23:51

      It is a trendy bandwagon for those who were not able to participate in the great women's rights movement of the past. Consequences ae someone else's problem. I suspect for many that it is just a knee jerk reaction that someone somewhere didn't get what they wanted.

  • Username
    pauline cliff
    - January 22, 2012 at 21:11:51

    well good for premier ghiz! he will do what is right,we dont need abortion s in pei legally if you desire one there is lots off places to go. when they are legalized it makes it too easy and it should not be easy maybe one will think twice if they have objectives in their way look at the people that would adopt a baby,instead of having to go to china for a baby,so you have to put your life on hold for 9 mts bo ho maybe next time you will think twice next and use birth control.a very simple thing to do instead of abortion.

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  • Username
    usually
    - January 22, 2012 at 19:39:47

    Usually when you hear people demanding other ideas not to be heard, it is because they don't feel that their's will stand up to scrutiny. Sometimes it is blatant. Sometimes it is name calling or mockery until the others shut up. If you see people attacking the holder of a position as their primary argument, ask yourself why they won't address the subject at hand. When they ignore the opponent's point, and redefine the argument so they can then mock, ask yourself if they have any valid response to the objection as given. Many involved in this debate fail these tests.

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    • Username
      Prochoice
      - January 22, 2012 at 21:12:03

      Some positions are so insane that there is no other response than mockery. Antichoice is so ridiculous, there is no way it can be taken seriously.

  • Username
    Twiggy
    - January 22, 2012 at 14:05:21

    The last line tells the story- The Guardian has requested comment from Ghiz on this resolution by his own party, but the requests have gone unanswered.Ghiz knows the Opposition will not speak against him on equitable abortion services for PEI women. He will simply say as little as possible. PRRO has done really good work so far. The Island's moderate and progressive people outnumber the anti-choice zealots. By far. And you have awakened them. Partialy. But ony partially. The moderate and progressive people are not an organized group like the anti-choicers. It is important now to ignore the comments of anti-choicers. Responding them degrades the debate and turns off many from listening. Focus your efforts on the politicians, their voters in their disricts. Simply put you have to fight fire with fire but you do not have fight directly with the anti-choicers at all. It is now obvious that there have been behind the scenes Liberal promises to anti-choice leaders. These arrangements harvest hundreds and maybe even thousands of Liberal votes but also, and perhaps more importantly, encourage compliance on issues and debacles that the ruling powers need to have swept under the rug in every day conversations. I have often wondered why so many church going folks say nothing about PNP, waste on the celebrity glorification of politicians, and deals with exploiters that are obviously not in the public interest. My late parents were religious and VERY conservative but I held common cause with them on these sort of things. It is that part of their morality that I follow. Something has changed in his culture. People seem to be trading on interests in the spirit of nothing in the society nor the government ever really changing. Silence breeds compliance. Change NOTHING and all off the deal makers are contented. Do not let the proccupied moderate and progressive people - the great majority of Islanders- to continue to support Ghiz. This is not the Island that people really want. They are just too busy with their own lives. Ultimately people want the good and hard won law of the land to be obeyed without disruption and hopefully without violation by resisters. You will prevail if you continue with the same strength, intelligence and intensity you have shown so far.

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    • Username
      really now
      - January 22, 2012 at 16:13:27

      The very fact that you use the term anti-choice is a reason why, even though I do not oppose the goal, I will never support this organization. Let the people vote on this. Don't let the country be ruled by special interest groups and activist judges.

    • Username
      Antidemocratic drivel
      - January 22, 2012 at 17:47:35

      This is a democracy, and to demand that only certain politically correct views should be allowed to be considered is very offensive.

    • Username
      what do you mean
      - January 22, 2012 at 17:47:31

      How can you be for choice, but urge the government to only allow one view to be heard?

    • Username
      What
      - January 22, 2012 at 19:40:31

      If you aren't pro-abortion, you shouldn't be allowed to vote? Hello political correctness thought police? Opinion not popular? Forfeit all your rights as a citizen until you fall in line?

  • Username
    Good lord
    - January 22, 2012 at 13:43:29

    There is a billing code for this. Find a doctor willing to do it, and have them submit a claim. If you can't do this, getting the governement to change their mind is useless to have them approve a procedure no one does. Geez, folks. Having someone who can't figure that out call you stupid, isn't much of a blow.

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  • Username
    Do your research
    - January 22, 2012 at 12:13:43

    This whole debate is over personal ethics and opinions. Termination of pregnancy is legal in Canada and paid for by government in all provinces, unless , in some provinces, preformed in a private facility. There are methods on PEI to make this work. If someone on PEI was to have a miscarriage they would go to see a doctor and the doctor would preform THE SAME procedure on the woman as if she was having an abortion, the only difference being that one pregnancy ended naturally (or maybe not). Woman should have the right to EVERY option available and be able to go somewhere to find appropriate information and support. And of course where is the MAN in all of this? Why is he not being held responsible for his actions? It takes two to make a baby, so why is the woman getting all the slack?

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    • Username
      Good question
      - January 22, 2012 at 13:44:11

      Where is the man? Good question. The position of the pro-choice group is that the entire decision is the woman's only. If the decision is 100% the woman's, why would you think the man should have any responsibility here? Abortion being freely paid by the government would be a godsend to deadbeat men who don't want to support the results of their messing around. Think about it. Men get to reap all the benefits, and the woman will fight to get it for them.

    • Username
      No Doyours
      - January 25, 2012 at 09:32:25

      Women are getting all the slack becasue they asked for total control and cut the other part of the equation out. Once a women becomes pregnant the ones you want held responsible are totally cut out of the decision making process. She has the choice, even on PEI, to go to term or not. Men have no say. The only decision is at that point is cash or credit card to pay to support the child. This emasculation of men in this process could be the reason for the amount of what women term as the "dead beat dad." It will not be a free will choice for women to give birth until they do so knowing they will be assuming all financial responsibility. This should please the pro-abortion view as it should drive up the need for that service. As for "I bet if it were for a man" argument, do your research on men's sexual health realted services on PEI. They have to go to the VG in Halifax if it requires surgery too. It is everyone's right to have timely appropriate health care. Currently PEI provides triage to send you to Halifax, Moncton, Saint John or transplants go to Toronto. To focus one procedure over a system wide problem is irresponsible

  • Username
    Brilliant
    - January 22, 2012 at 12:12:31

    Because name calling is the best way to show your maturity?

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  • Username
    MACDONALDBANK
    - January 22, 2012 at 10:22:32

    Is Prince Edward Island being manipulated by religious zealots?

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    • Username
      Anonymous credit union
      - January 22, 2012 at 12:15:28

      Yet another example of the banking sector hating democracy.

    • Username
      moving forward
      - January 22, 2012 at 12:15:07

      Or rather, "Is PEI's manipulation by religious zealots coming to an end?" I'm wholly enjoying the plot that has been unfolding here. as we watch MLAs discovering that the days of catering to religious zealots,and basing government policy on their ill-informed demands may be ending. Wow, reality is finally making it across the bridge.

    • Username
      OMG
      - January 22, 2012 at 12:13:07

      I think we wave to star wondering whan banks start wanting to change public policy against the populations will, and uses the idea that constitutional freedom is a hinderance to them.

    • Username
      Oh yeah
      - January 22, 2012 at 13:44:02

      We wouldn't want a democratic system where politicians cater to what they think the paeople want. If we can't be ruled by special interest groups, what is the purpose of living? ASK THE PEOPLE!!!! Are you scared they might say No? Is democracy something you hate? I suppose it is easier to whine and feel sorry for yourself. I personally want to live in a democracy? If you don't don't vote. Makes my vote more important.

    • Username
      Patrick
      - January 22, 2012 at 15:58:38

      No, more like militant feminists spewing misinformation...any doctor who wants to perform abortions can do so, as another poster stated there's a billing code...if the zealots see a breach of the Charter or any other law then take it to court...I do think it's. a matter of personal values on the part of doctors...and take note, values and religion are not the same thing...I'm not religious, I just don't see abortion as something to be done for the sake of convenience

    • Username
      me
      - January 25, 2012 at 09:32:53

      You don't have to be religious to not want to kill an unborn baby, There are some people that don't believe in God that are against abortion. So stop blaming everything good on regilious people

  • Username
    Jeanette Myers
    - January 22, 2012 at 10:21:41

    Politics ... it's a dirty game and only the strong will survive. I will stand 100% behind Ghiz on the abortion issue and it's not only religious groups that think this way. If we keep destroying our children, there will be no future for us. Think about it....

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    SIRGRANT
    - January 22, 2012 at 10:17:07

    "It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy." To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives is shameful. There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity. Man goes back 6,000,000 years; 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews and 5,998,000 years pre-dating the myth of christianity which is a mere 2012 year old cult. In the year 325 AD; Emperor Constantine -- who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity with the creative historian Eusebius; a fiction which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world. Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and not chosen by God. Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen!

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    • Username
      Head Shaker
      - January 22, 2012 at 12:16:04

      what's wrong? Did people make fun of you posting his garbage posing as a bank?

    • Username
      Proof please
      - January 22, 2012 at 12:15:15

      Humans around for 6,000,000 years? proof please. I suppose you believe Battlestar Galactica really happened too?

    • Username
      Hey Dude
      - January 22, 2012 at 15:58:42

      Dan Brown is not a real historian. lol

  • Username
    donald mac phee
    - January 22, 2012 at 10:15:22

    i agree with joe ghiz to keep his stand on abortion .abortion is murder you may not face jugement on earth but you when your time on this earth is over you will face damnation in hells fire .

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  • Username
    Omg
    - January 22, 2012 at 10:14:16

    I think a reproductive rights group that does not support IVF is hypocritical. If this is still a democracy, there is a way to tell what the support for this is. Plebicite. Perhaps some supporters don't care about democracy? Perhaps it is one of those outdated moral things that makes PEI worse than Rwanda or the Congo to live in? I'll just sit back and wait to get blasted about how the people of PEI SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to express their opinion as to what happens on PEI. You can always sue afterwards, but that was the plan anyway, right?

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    • Username
      Prochoice
      - January 22, 2012 at 13:43:55

      Expecting a woman's most fundamental choice to be controlled by voting is disgusting.

  • Username
    Yeah cuz
    - January 22, 2012 at 10:13:46

    Because abortion is just a staffing issue?

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  • Username
    Canadian first
    - January 21, 2012 at 23:43:40

    Robert Ghiz is not old enough to be a hippocrite.

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    wally meagher
    - January 21, 2012 at 22:10:55

    I would Love to hear Olive Crane`s Opinion on the Issue. Lf elected would she support abortions performed on PEI.?? THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW! usyssu original

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    • Username
      likewise
      - January 22, 2012 at 10:21:37

      I would like to know as well. In fact I think that the media outlets should ask for all party leaders in PEI to provide a written letter explaining exactly what their position is regarding the provision of abortion services. We already know Cheeze Whiz's position (the oozing hypocrite). I'd like to know Olive Oil's position too. Or is she too slick for this issue?

  • Username
    Matilda
    - January 21, 2012 at 17:06:37

    Patrick writes: "maybe your problem isn't with the Premier, but with the values here on PEI"--perhaps your problem, Patrick, is with the laws of Canada, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Supreme Court. I'd rather we follows the laws of the country than outmoded values that discriminate and victimize.

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    • Username
      Where the heck
      - January 22, 2012 at 10:14:57

      Where the heck do you think you get the right to tell any one that their values are wrong? That's makes you very judgemental.

    • Username
      Matilda
      - January 23, 2012 at 09:25:35

      What a strange thing to say. Where do I get the right? I don't--this is the law of Canada. It is the law that is being judgmental--and, by the way, the whole point of the law is to be judgmental. That's why the big-wig law-talking folk are called "judges."

  • Username
    Stephen
    - January 21, 2012 at 15:47:46

    Why is it that the ones that are crying foul here about prochoice and such, not also mentioning the other side of the coin? No one is mentioning Government sponsored IVF. There are hundreds of pages of documents proving that it would save the government millions of dollars and Casey and Sherridan both said no. I totally oppose of abortion only because of a personal experience but if there will never be a Gov sponsored IVF program, than there will never be an abortion clinic.

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    • Username
      Since when
      - January 22, 2012 at 10:22:04

      Since when is this a constitutionally guaranteed right like abortion? IVF is not a basic human right.

  • Username
    Patrick
    - January 21, 2012 at 15:45:04

    A vocal minority roars again...any doctor who wants to provide the service can do so, no one is prohibited from doing it....maybe your problem isn't with the Premier, but with the values here on PEI

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    • Username
      think again
      - January 21, 2012 at 17:05:49

      You'd like to believe that it's a minority but I have heard a lot of people talking about this abortion issue since it was raised last fall, and most of these people think the government is wrong to be denying service. I don't go to church very often (most people don't these days - they are the real minority) but I doubt the abortion debate is creating a lot of hand-wringing at the pulpit. Over 95% of Catholic women and close to 100% of Protestant women under 40 practice birth control and I know of several women from both denominations who have gotten abortions so there aren't many hang ups about the practice there. The majority of people opposed to abortion in PEI, as in the rest of Canada, are men over 50 years of age, largely Catholic or evangelical Protestant and who have control issues.

    • Username
      OK THEN
      - January 22, 2012 at 10:15:06

      If you are so sure that there is such an overwhelming majority, let's have a vote. Just be aware hat using contraceptives is not the same as support for abortion.

  • Username
    Really
    - January 21, 2012 at 15:41:50

    If a patient has a head injury they need to seek treatment outside PEI moncton or NS. If a sick child needs care they need to seek treatment outside PEI -IWK. We dont have enough doctors to have an emergency room or clinic open 24hrs a day in rural areas. "If I have to leave the province to save a life then you have to leave the province it to destroy a life." I am so proud that Ghiz has decided against the abortions in PEI and he will always get my vote.

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      Mary Johnston
      - January 21, 2012 at 22:12:41

      Keep PEI Abortion Free. The only one victimized by abortion is the unborn child. I applaud Premier Ghiz for taking a stand on this issue. You don't have to worry about losing funding from the Feds. Bob Rae isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Marie

    • Username
      Off island surgical patient
      - January 22, 2012 at 10:20:25

      I agree with "Really", I have to go off-island for spinal surgery all the time. Not only do I have the travel expenses, hotel bills and other related costs, I also have to pay for the necessary ambulance to return home to PEI after my hospital stay. The province can't offer everything on the island, Abortions, for the most part are a choice, not a medical necessity, quit your whining. So many more necessary surgeries have to be performed off-island, quit being so selfish

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