School board not planning on reviewing Bible program

The Gideons International in Canada photo

Gideons distributing Bibles

Published on January 18, 2012; Published on January 18, 2012
Ryan Ross

One complaint lodged from LM Montgomery school about Gideon Bible distribution

Topics :: LM Montgomery school , Eastern School District.Ricky Hood , L.M. Montgomery Elementary School , Iceland

A parent did complain about Bibles going to Island students, but that doesn’t mean the process is going to change, says a spokesman for the Eastern School District.

Ricky Hood, the district’s superintendent, said the Gideons have been handing out Bibles to students for 46 years and it doesn’t take up any instructional time.

“We don’t see it as an educational issue because we don’t spend any time in class,” he said.

Recently a parent complained after students at L.M. Montgomery Elementary School took home forms that asked parents if they wanted their children to receive Bibles.

Hood said just because someone complains about something that doesn’t mean the school board stops doing the thing prompting the complaint.

“I think there should be a process of some sort for someone to go through,” he said.

If someone complains from a certain area, the district usually refers them back to their school administration or the home and school, which could then decide if it’s a service they want, Hood said.

“If it’s not then the school’s not gonna do it.”

Hood said there is nothing taught about or said about the Bibles in class at district schools.

“We leave that to the home for the parents who want them,” he said.

The Gideons contact individual schools, which in turn send notices to parents that give them the option to opt out of the Bibles.

Hood said the district does a lot of public service and sends notifications for different groups such as Girl Guides, basketball or hockey tournaments.

“It’s a service and if there’s a community or communities that don’t want the service then they can make their mind up and let us know,” he said.

The district handles each public notice the same, although it doesn’t do it for groups that try to make big profits, Hood said.

“We like to do things that are not for profit or volunteer or those kind of things.”

Hood said the district won’t be looking to review the process and any complaints should go to the local school administration or parent community, such as home and school.

People regularly complain to the district about different issues, he said.

“We don’t stop doing things because someone doesn’t like it.”

rross@theguardian.pe.ca

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ANON

- January 21, 2012 at 10:35:13

To provide context for what I'm about to say: I'd like to start by stating quite simply that I have absolutely no religious beliefs, and am in fact, an atheist. I don't really mind at all that bibles are being distributed to students. Sure, all students will have a copy, but only the few interested in pursuing (or those pursued by their parents) will end up reading them. Perhaps it's a waste of resources, but I don't really consider it harsh religious indoctrination. I remember being given bibles while I was a young student, and I felt no pressure from either my teachers or the volunteers who brought them. Among non-religious parents it might even provoke a conversation with their child about religious beliefs. I'd hope even atheistic parents allowed their children to choose their own belief system. That being said, I'd also like for other religious groups to be able to have the same opportunities that Christians have been granted. And, unfortunately, I doubt that distributing a holy book from other religions would go over well with the general population. I don't know that this has ever caused a problem on the Island, but it's a sort of discrimination that I hope to never hear about. I think that the best solution is probably to have copies of these books in the library systems (maybe just to give away to students). That way, students who wish to practice religion can still have access in the rare case that their parents do not have a copy. Just my two cents.

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- Island atheist
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 12:38:57
  
  These things should not be available in libraries either. They should be kept out of the hands of the impressionable. We are trying to educate children, not indoctrinate them.
- ANON
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 15:46:58
  
  I'm wholly against censoring any type of knowledge whether I consider it to be fictional or not. Removing religious texts from easy access is doing more of a disservice to religious individuals than a service to society. Just because you and I are personally atheists, it doesn't mean that we have to make it our goal to have other people see the world how we see it. Frankly, if someone is so impressionable that they can pick up a bible and become religious, I'm glad that they filled their lives with that instead of something more damaging. Buying into the atheistic stigma of bible burning and religious bashing is giving atheism a bad name. Books are meant to be in libraries, let them be in libraries. People want to distribute books, let them distribute books. As long as it doesn't cost the public anything, or directly impede the proper education of students it's not my place to say otherwise.
- Island Atheist
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 17:07:24
  
  You may think you are being kind, but it is just enabling them to maintain their addiction to illogic. Some of them vote, and try to teach.
- AlsoAnon
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 22:09:59
  
  Island Atheist you are advocating censorship. Teach critical thinking and let students explore knowledge for themselves.
- ANON
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 22:09:52
  
  I'll take kindness over logic any day of the week. I've been an atheist my entire life, and I've gone through the phase where I tried push my belief on others. I find that people receive my atheism better since I switched to being respectful. Don't worry, atheism is becoming more, and more common. I don't see the rush or benefit in trying to force people to drop their beliefs. From a scientific point of view, humans probably evolved religion to quell the fear of death that stems from our intelligence and being self-aware. Early humans probably needed religion so that they could do the daring things needed to survive without being crippled by the fear of death. So our brains probably evolved in such a way that believing in an afterlife was beneficial. It's not just because people are illogical that they are religious, it's probably more literally a biological process. The best comparison I can think of is comparing it to a fear of heights. A lot of people are scared of heights because it would have been beneficial to be scared of heights as we were evolving. You can use all of the logic you want, but I'm still going to be scared when I'm on an airplane. It's not something that you can necessarily logic your way out of. Hopefully no one gets offended by this post.
TC

- January 21, 2012 at 10:34:23

My last attempt didn't go through,, so I will summarize what I tried to say. I have never had anyone explain to me in a convincing way why I should embrace atheism. The types of arguments that have been presented in the media in the last few days are a common reason given. The standard - I don't believe in your evil sky fairy and if you do then you must have some sort of mental deficiency - type explanation is not something that I have never found convincing. I have had people whom I respect more than some of the braying loudmouths who insist that everyone who disagrees with them are stupid or evil, explain their beliefs and they have been able to do it without jr high style name calling. I don't care if the Gideon's hand out the Bibles or not, but I do think that if an atheist wishes to hand out literature then fine but they must follow the same rules. Pay for it themselves and not give it to anyone who hasn't explicitly asked for it. I think a lot of people just need to grow up and accept that different people believe different things and name calling really doesn't make me think your view is the intelligent one.

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  - January 21, 2012 at 15:47:19
  
  I didn't say all atheists are like that. There are enough. I dispute that every atheist has, at their heart a respect for logic. Most I have met are no more logical than any other group, and many seem to have a deep seated hatred of anything that doesn't fit their worldview. I don't stereotype all atheists because of the few. What I've said, is none have ever given me a valid reason to accept their view other than there was something wrong with me if I didn't. I will not try to convert you if you do not try to convert me, but I will also not hypocritically pretend not to hold the views that I hold and am willing to discuss calmly and rationally as long as you are. My fear is that the tone many take, the message to these kids is the adult way to make your point is to be loud and rude and demand the other view not be heard because of how horrible the people holding the view are. We live in a democracy, and a democracy only works if people are free to express their views without the fear.
- ANON
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 12:35:45
  
  I'm sorry if your experience with atheists has led you to believe that we're all loudmouths who are a bit rude. Like everything else, it's generally the vocal minority who is heard, and they obviously are trying to stir the pot. I, generally, don't believe that anybody should try to convince someone else that their belief system is wrong.Atheists shouldn't demean you buy calling you stupid, and Christians shouldn't scare you by saying you'll burn for eternity. The onus should be on an individual to make their own decisions. I feel like at the heart of every atheist is a respect for logic, but for some reason that logic doesn't lead us to understand that there still may be a place for religion in the world, and that some people may still need belief systems as part of a happy life. I dont think that atheistic texts should be handed out at school, we should just let atheism keep growing at its natural rate. We've lived with religion for most of our existence, I think it's a bandage that should be removed slowly instead of yanked off.
ANON

- January 21, 2012 at 10:05:03

I'd like to preface what I'm about to say with the fact that I'm non-religious, that is to say, an atheist. I think it provides a little context for my comment. I, personally, do not have a problem with bibles being distributed in schools. So long as the material isn't forced upon the students. Ultimately the student and the parents are going to make the decisions about whether religion is going to play a large roll in the childs life. I would be willing to bet that a small minority of students who recieve these bibles take the time to read them, unless they have some sort of influence from their parents. The thing about religious belief, is that if you choose to embrace it, you must have access to the texts at the core of it. Whereas for non-religious people, there is no scripture required. You would be doing a disservice to students who are religious by making these books harder to access. Whereas a non-believer is not particularily affected either way. That being said, I have a problem with distributing bibles and excluding other holy books. I can imagine that there may be some amount of resistance from more conservative Islanders if other, non-Christian religions started to try to distribute their texts. This is a type of discrimination and bigotry that should not be allowed. I've not heard of an instance of this happening, but I don't see it as a farfetched scenario. A good solution to this problem is to allow students to voluntarily get a copy of texts that they are interested in. If parents feel like handing copies to every student is forceful, perhaps non-instrusive accessability is the key. After all, I think that a belief system (or lack thereof) is still important in today's society. Schools might not be the place to teach children about these things, but there is nothing wrong with making the information accessible.

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Island atheist

- January 20, 2012 at 22:52:28

If a child graduates and still believes on a God, perhaps we should at firing some teachers.

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- Head Shaker
  
  - January 20, 2012 at 23:57:21
  
  Just goes to show you don't need to be religious to be completely intolerant.
- TC
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 10:09:31
  
  If atheism was so obviously true, someone would be able to give me a better reason to accept it than that they don't believe in a sky fairy and if I don't agree I must be some sort of mental defective. Don't say evolution. I'm sure by the demographics there are probably more people who identify as being a believer in a religion who accept evolution than there are people who identify as atheist in total. I have had Christianity explained by people I respect far more than some of the braying loudmouths who have been weighing in here, and they could explain it without resorting to jr high level insults, and properly explained it is a bit deeper than the simplistic garbage that people have tried to tell me it was.. If someone wants me to accept a view they need to explain the merits of the view and not just tell me what they think of the opponents. Hardline atheism is just as unprovable as pious Christianity is, although I have rarely heard it admitted. I've come down on the side that pure materialism doesn't provide answers to the deep questions, but simply keeps saying to wait. In a few hundred years they might know, and that is supposed to be a sound theistic refutation. Do I agree with handing out the Bibles? In general, no, but this was simply a case of saying that they were available and if someone wanted one, they could get one and if they didn't no one tried to convince them otherwise. If someone wants to do the same thing with something else, like The God Delusion which is written for a 5th grade mentality, go ahead but remember to pay for them yourself and don't encourage it to anyone who doesn't explicitly ask for a copy. And for those who don't like any religious book in a school or government funded building, I'll take you seriously when all religion themed books are removed from school and public ( ie. government funded) libraries. Truly, I think this is a tempest in a teapot and it is being encouraged by a minority ( only being 1 complaint) who want to make as big a fuss as they can to make themselves look like a bigger group than they are by shouting down any opposition. Too bad we live in a democracy,where most people identify as religious to some degree. We know from history that atheistically based governments don't have social problems. Right?
- Island Atheist
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 12:39:17
  
  You obviously have never given your position any thought. If you had, you'd be an atheist. Try reading these thing called books.
Head Shaker

- January 20, 2012 at 20:31:58

If you don't want this, and saying No is too much of a hardship, then asking that this not happen next year is reasonable if enough parents agree. However, if this has been going on all over Canada for decades and has generally not been opposed, and this year it has caused so much outrage after one complaint, what reasonable person would think that the parents of PEI would sit still and be silent if someone took the comments of some of these commenters as instructions and actiuvely taught every student that Christianity is evil and eveyone (including the parents) who doesn't think the bible is a piece of garbage are all stupid people who are "bloodsucking religous lunatics"? Do you think that it should cause more than one complaint? If so, there would be more complaints than reported to be about this. Should the schools then ignore them because an atheist has a right not to be exposed to religion, but a Christian has no right not to have their children actively taught militant atheism? This is such a wonderful lesson we are teaching kids,folks. Never have a reasoned discussion when you can rant and scream insults at people you've never met in public and assume that they are all horrible people due to your own personal stereotypes. I thought we wanted to teach them not to do that?

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- Island Atheist
  
  - January 21, 2012 at 09:59:07
  
  In your job, do you ask "Do you want fries with that?"?
No Hockey

- January 20, 2012 at 20:28:29

If a teacher every sends another thing home about hockey, wanting to raise any money for it, so help me I'm going to the Supreme Court. If all it takes is one parent, so help me God it is going to be me. And all you bloodsucking hockey lunitics can take your brainwashing and shut up about it.

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- January 20, 2012 at 20:27:54

Do it or don't do it. I don't care. But the conversation has gone beyond stupid. Christians may be a bit overjealous, but the atheist response...... How many times do you get people to change their entire worldview by screaming that they are blood sucking lunatiocs who are to stupid to understand how insanely stupid they are? Look folks. Just because you are a christian does not mean that you are morally superior, and just because you are an atheist does not mean that you are not also a loud mouthed moron.

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Toufic

- January 19, 2012 at 23:52:55

Bibles have been distributed and been in schools for over 40 years. why is it now that islanders are not happy with it ? what's new?is it because we live in the 21st. century? or is it because we see lots of atheist people coming to the Island?

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- Townie
  
  - January 20, 2012 at 09:46:36
  
  Its not just atheists coming to the island. There are muslims, buddhists, jews and many many more religions. We islanders need to respect their religious views as well as our own. To have an opt out policy is almost like force feeding the bible to others who don't believe in it because they follow their own religious texts. It should be an opt in policy.
- Head Shaker
  
  - January 20, 2012 at 20:32:13
  
  I think the question was why wasn't this a human rights issue last year? If it has been happening for 40 years, it's not like no one knoew about it.
Michael Nesbitt

- January 19, 2012 at 22:17:39

I would just like to see Ricky Hood dance; it would seem he is very good at it.

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- January 19, 2012 at 20:57:47

Canada is a christian country, let's keep it like this. the Bible should be in the heart of every one. for those who does not want the Bible ,let them stay aside.

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  - January 20, 2012 at 09:46:13
  
  Is this a Christian way to think. Are we not taught to love and respect all mankind? Where does it say we need to hate and disrespect other religions. Which verse does it say we are better than anyone else? Where does it say that we have more rights?
toufic

- January 19, 2012 at 20:56:10

what would Canadians allow to distribute the Quraan book in schools and communities , where its not allowed to distribute the Bible in saudi arabia ,or Quatar,or egypt ,or any muslim country ? think about it !

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- January 19, 2012 at 20:56:05

Canadians don't be fool . if you keep behaving like this , Canada will become a muslim country at the end. believe me ,muslims are working on it. look what happened to other christian countries in the world ,in which way muslims are ruling.

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- January 19, 2012 at 20:54:22

MacDonalbank. You are one sick puppy. Why dont you put your real name on your letter?

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  - January 20, 2012 at 20:31:54
  
  His name is Grant. He's claimed to be a MacDonald from western PEI living in Toronto.
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- January 19, 2012 at 16:31:14

Special Thank You to The Guardian for showing absolute editorial class yet again! Proud to be an Islander!

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- January 19, 2012 at 14:26:35

Next it's bye bye Merry Christmas and hello Happy Holidays on PEI

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- January 19, 2012 at 14:03:54

many denounce religion so that they can ignore conscience and guilt

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- January 19, 2012 at 14:02:04

The Honourable Min. of Education McIsaac; should remove -- every bible ... from schools!

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- January 19, 2012 at 14:01:55

Enough of this Bogus Hocus Pocus. www.BogusHocusPocus.com

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Mark

- January 19, 2012 at 14:01:50

Not only should they not be giving people bibles, but in the year 2012 children should be tought that every single thing that is in the bible is a complete lie. Keep these bloodsucking religous lunatics away from our children.

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  - January 20, 2012 at 20:28:45
  
  Do you really think no one would complain about that? If they did, should they be ignored simply because they aren't atheists? That isn't the type of tolerance I would support.
Chris Vogel

- January 19, 2012 at 13:58:27

About what you would expect: religious people can't tell the difference between religion and cookies. There is a difference, though; the cookies are real. They (religious people, that is) are, however, admitting that, unless they can impose themselves on little children, no one would take them seriously.

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- January 19, 2012 at 11:57:54

The problem isn't that they're getting a bible, the problem is that it's marketed to them at school. Especially where you're by default opted in to receiving one. There's no reason for this to happen at school though, no reason for schools to be involved with marketing a religion to kids. Let it happen outside the school. School should be a place for learning free from all the daily marketing people have to go through.

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- January 19, 2012 at 11:14:40

I still have my Gideon New Testament I got in grade 5 in 1956. It is worn and still loved. I love that this country of Canada does not censor the religeous material I chose to read. I love that I was able to get a Bible for free when I was 10 years old, because my parents couldn't afford one for me and they weren't church goers. When I grew up, I went to university and studied other religions. They all have philosophies that either make sense today or don't. However, the most wonderful thing of all is that living in Canada has given all of us is the freedom to chose what philosopy we want to follow. For those who call it all fairy taies, even fairy tales teach a lesson. No big deal. Let yur kid read everything they can get their hands on...it will broaden the mind, teach a lesson, and perhaps lead to respect for the beliefs of others. Now THAT would be a real education. (Remember...the school board gave a choice, which showed respect)

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  - January 19, 2012 at 14:27:59
  
  No one wants to censor the bible. We are free to read it in our homes and in our places of worship. PUBLIC School is neither of these and because of the many difference religions and races in public school you need to be fair to all. Religious texts should not be in the school unless it is a theology class (where you learn about all religions). People should not feel fear/shame/different because they are not a religion that reads the bible.
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  - January 19, 2012 at 14:01:22
  
  You didn't choose to read the bible as a child in 1956. An institution chose for you. Unless you are suggesting that you were handed a wide variety of religious material to choose from at the time, which I doubt.
sunnijoe

- January 19, 2012 at 10:56:12

Wow,yesterday,it was all about getting free abortions forthe WHOLE Island.Go figure.Perhaps yall need to think before going all crazy over a Bible

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Linda Wainwright

- January 19, 2012 at 10:40:44

I think what he's saying is that the school board would have no problem distributing letters asking parents if they wanted their child to receive a copy of the Koran....the same way they send home letters from other groups such as Girl Guides, hockey, etc. I don't see where the argument or problem is here at all!

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Anne Wright

- January 19, 2012 at 10:40:16

Ya gotta see the delicious irony in all this. Here we have a school responsible for teaching children critical thinking skills handing out bibles to potential readers who to get through it will need to suspend all manner of logic and common sense. Too funny. For those parents who opposed the book's distribution to their youngsters, I applaud your efforts to have the nonsense stopped. Still, if this book of tales arrived home notwithstanding your protestations, you could use its pages to start your fireplace in the evening. Yep, a use can be found for almost anything.

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:38:12

Such A joke : Did you go to your history classes? Im going to say you no or else you would acknowledge that religion ( even the evil Chrisitianity) helped shape the world as we know it today. maybe you can lead a parents group to get the sutras qnd the Koran in Island classrooms. You would need to TEACH the children about the Sutras qnd the Koran but hey! As long as it isnt Christian, it should be okay!

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:38:05

Such A joke : Did you go to your history classes? Im going to say you no or else you would acknowledge that religion ( even the evil Chrisitianity) helped shape the world as we know it today. maybe you can lead a parents group to get the sutras and the Koran in Island classrooms. You would need to TEACH the children about the Sutras and the Koran but hey! As long as it isnt Christian, it should be okay!

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  - January 19, 2012 at 20:53:02
  
  I also attended history class, but I feel no need to acknowledge that religion helped shape the world. Destroy the world maybe.
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- January 19, 2012 at 10:37:34

ONE complaint gets this much attention???? What is the issue? Parents were given the opportunity to opt out. The hostility directed to those who think it is OK is astounding. The gentleman who complained, you are right it is your responsibility to teach matters of faith, however you choose, in your own home. No one was shoving or forcing anything on your daughter... Permission was asked and you declined. Should have been the end of the story. I can't imagine that every complaint that is received by the school board is made public or given this kind of attention.

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:31:13

Grilled - if you read the article you will see that it is not the School Board distributing the books, it is the Gideons. To Such a Joke, again, if you read the article it was one complaint, and permission was asked of the PARENTS first. Children are already educated in many religious outlooks and get lots of influence in every area of their studies; it just isn't so clearly identified as receiving a Bible. Many influences from every faith are represented in the curriculum. Maybe we should have a panel of theologians and philosophers go through every bit of it and start removing anything that has any iota of anything that could possibly be part of someone's religion or offend someone. One wouldn't be left with much. Evolution is a secular humanistic belief . Should every parent get a permission form asking if they want their child to be taught this worldview? As a parent, it is my responsibility to find out what my child is learning and to reasonably discuss at home what are thoughts and values are. Chances are, there will be things taught in the twelve years they attend school where I hold a different opinion. It is a good opportunity to dialogue with the child and a) find out what they think and feel about it and b) share our thoughts on the subject. It is teaching the child that it is ok to have a different opinion and that each opinion deserves respect.

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Uncle Wally

- January 19, 2012 at 10:27:16

Hey, did any of you guys hear that Tim Horton's re-sized their coffee cups?

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:18:19

I agree with Learn To Read- Maybe it's about time that we educated children /students about other cultures and religions. We have a lot to learn from others in our community (if we are open to learning) - There are bigger issues affecting our children in school today; such as bullying, access to FULL inclusion and support for children with Intellectual or Learning Differences, affects of drugs and alcohol and poverty - the fact that a school is 'asking' parents if their child would like a Bible is hardly a reason to get up in arms. It's time to focus on the big picture.

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:17:07

The Gideons are missionaries, and children are their targets. If Hood doesn't see proselytizing as an "educational issue" then why are schools doing it? That's a big part of the problem. Schools here seem to spend so much time taking kids on pointless field trips, distributing advertising for other groups, closing down at the first flake of snow...Is anything an educational issue for them? No wonder PEI remains at the bottom of every national survey on education.Stop pandering to the local Christians, and start teaching!

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  - January 19, 2012 at 14:00:48
  
  If PEI is such a terrible place - please feel free to leave. I see your comments on here all the time and frankly, you are an offensive hater. Maybe, since you are so wise and correct, you could volunteer at a school, do something productive and stop spouting off inaccuracies and pointing fingers at the teachers who work hard every day.
Is It Worth Complaining

- January 19, 2012 at 10:16:47

Really people, is it worth all of the complaining. If parents don't want their children to receive one then they say so and the child doesn't get one. It's not like they're distributing porn or info on bomb making. We may want to start focussing on things that really matter like the fact that many island children go to school hungry every day because their families are living so far below the poverty line and are relying on food banks to get by. People these days seem more interested in complaining about things just to get their voices heard than they are about the actual well being of other.

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:11:37

The Eastern School Board needs to get it's priorities in line "again". Just because you do something for 46 years doesn't make it right, Mr.Hood.The Board needs to mind their business,which is the formal education of our children, and not catering to their religious needs. Some say don't take the bible.Well,a typical child would not offend anyone by turning it down and this is exactly what these people are counting on.Mind control ,if started early enough,can have dramatic results.

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:10:12

It never ceases to amaze me how many people jump at something like this. It's no different than having issues with people saying MERRY CHRISTMAS. If you are offended by this - that is YOUR problem. If you don't believe in Christmas - then don't take the holiday, don't receive presents, and keep your mouth closed. If you don't want your children to have a Bible, say no - don't bring it to the news like a useless tool. Funny how schools can spew out Darwin's theory which is a sick joke, but they can't teach the other side? It's not just Christians who have a God - and if you don't believe then again it's your problem. If they put out notices that there was going to be the Koran, Gay and Lesbian brochures - I would expect parents would have the same choice to opt out. I don't see anything wrong with asking - some people just have WAY too much time on their hands.

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:57:57
  
  It's "Qur'an". Darwin's theory is actually science based, as the bible is not. If you want to believe that the world is only 5,000 years old then that is your problem, because you are most definitely wrong. Saying Darwin's theory of evolution is a sick joke is ridiculous. Look around you....Gay and Lesbian "brochures" as you call them, don't brainwash children like the bible does. I own a copy of the Qur'an and it's basically the same thing as the bible, without all the rape, murder, genocide, judgement, etc. If you want to believe there is a God, then that is your problem. Not mine. I'll continue believing in myself, my family, and my friends.
- full story
  
  - January 19, 2012 at 11:56:15
  
  Before calling this parent names maybe the guardian should have the full story or have no story at all I just listened to the 2 interviews on cbc news web page and also heard it on compass last night...he said he had no problem with religion at all and that he has a wide selections of bibles in his home people really need the full story before running the mouths
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  - January 21, 2012 at 17:07:43
  
  If you think the Qur'an is the same as the bible, but without any of the bad stuff, you either are theologically illiterate or a liar.
jim robbins

- January 19, 2012 at 10:08:56

hi My wife and I are personally proud of Mr Hoods comments. As Gideons we are not pushing any Religion but are offering a free gift of the Bible for anyone who wishes to have one. Our country was founded on the word of God. Please read what is on the Peace Tower in Ottawa. East window says He shall have dominion from sea to sea.(Psalm 72:8) The south window says Give the King thy Judgments,O God,and thy righteousness unto the kings Son. (Psalm 72:1) The west window says Where there is no vision , the people perish (Proverbs 29:18) I believe everyone is free to practice their own religion but not try to change what our Country was founded on.THE WORD OF GOD

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al fredd

- January 19, 2012 at 10:06:52

Again, why can' t people read and understand before running off in indignation, and ready to blame and cry----- From the explanation of the procedure for distributing bibles, in the schools, (parent consent) no one should have a problem here, - a gift is offered, accept it or not, ------- it seems totally fair and reasonable, and if the koran or the book of mormons were offered the same way, there should not be a problem with that either, - more intelectual persons (parents) may even venture reading these to enlighten themselves as to the basis on which the various religions functions. - So thank you, schoolboard for a very sensible approach .

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MACDONALDBANK

- January 19, 2012 at 10:06:29

The Right Honourable Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien told the Vatican that there was to be no cross erected over the Canadian Parliament buildings figuratively speaking; when the Pope demanded the Prime Minister go against gay rights. An Alberta bishop had the audacity to say that The Canadian Prime Minister would go to hell for going against the church. Such outrageous evil threats. The Right Honourable Prime Minister in return; basically told the Pope to go to Hell! The Honourable Irwin Cotler, Canadian Minister of Justice, stood for equal rights for the gay community. With reference to protecting the children: The Honourable Hedy Fry, member of the Canadian Liberal Parliament, who happens to be a doctor who delivered many babies; spoke eloquently to defend the rights of babies being born and stated that she was in fact defending their rights by speaking on behalf of equal rights for the children and youth of the future -- defending their integrity and dignity. Minority rights should be decided by a dignified judicial system and/or a compassionate government. This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights.

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MACDONALDBANK

- January 19, 2012 at 10:05:51

Being black or left-handed or being gay is just as natural. The evil writings in Leviticus 18:22 against gays depict; Priestly rules & expanded by the pope; homophobes and religious frauds to attack the gay community and never meant to apply to the public but to priests. Leviticus exists in the old testament & torah & were written long after Moses; 600BC. Bibles and the torah which includes leviticus 18:22 should be immediately banned for promoting hatred against minorities; namely the gay community and the crosses removed from all schools and churches. "It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy." To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives is shameful. There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity. Man goes back 6,000,000 years; 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews and 5,998,000 years pre-dating the myth of christianity which is a mere 2012 years old cult. In the year 325 AD; Emperor Constantine -- who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity with the creative historian Eusebius; a fiction which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.

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  - January 21, 2012 at 15:44:20
  
  Grant, we've spoken about this. No reputable scientist will say that anything we'd regard as human has been around for 6 million years. Sort of makes me wonder what website you got your other information from.
Townie

- January 19, 2012 at 10:04:59

Its about respect. We have to remember that this isn't little ol' PEI anymore. We have a multitude of nationalities and religions in our communities now, and not all of them use the bible as their religious text. We have to accept this, yes I know that is hard of us islanders. Children have enough problems to deal with when they are at school to learn, they don't need to be singled out because they opted out for a bible. And not necessarily that other kids will tease them, but in their own minds they feel different, separate or wrong. The school can create an opt in form and the children/parents can pick up the bibles at a different location, for example a local church. That way the kids don't feel embarrassed or different. I applaud the Gideon's intent.

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:03:45

GOOD FOR YOU RICKY HOOD - WELL SAID. YOU'RE YOUR PARENT'S SON. THEY WOULD BE PROUD! : - )

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- January 19, 2012 at 10:03:24

Does the Board distribute information on women's heath, reproductive issues and abortion services available on PEI to high school students? A little cynical yes but right now the only option includes out of province travel, socially imposed shame and considerable personal expense. Surely women in their teens deserve info relevant to their lives. If Bibles can be handed to kids with a right of refusal then we can do the same on info on women's primary health issues to women in their teens. No? Why not?

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- January 19, 2012 at 09:33:14

So they're not teaching anything and parents can opt out if they wish. What's the big deal? I don't think one complaint in 46 years should be enough to scuttle any practice (not thinking about this specifically). There's other promotions that happen in the school that I'm not crazy about. We just opt out. That's what the option is there for.

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- January 19, 2012 at 09:32:48

Part of teaching our kids openness and tolerance is learning to say "No Thank you" with grace. For everyone who does not want the bibles, this is sufficient. Now if the bibles are handed out with the cries and screams like "Pieter's" it would be another issue.

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- January 19, 2012 at 09:30:49

I wonder what the response would be if some group were handing out Korans, or a university professer were there handing out evolution textbooks, or a gay-rights organization handing out pamplets. Just because the status-quo is comfortable with the Christian relgion doesn't mean it is right. Give all special interest groups access, or none at all.

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:09:19
  
  My response would be "great, I'd like to see what other materials are out there". My child already has her belief (at age 7) and I would like to go over the materials from other beliefs with her. But I would certainly not tell anyone to stop handing out the material. Everyone has a right to their own opinions, but when you start trying to stop people from expressing them, then theres a problem.
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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:29:32
  
  well said concerned islander...and i would like to also know how it is not taking up any class time up when they have to take the time to hand out the forms take them all back in to see how many bibles they need and the hand them all out...Also you can opt-out but why should the be asking for the names of those who wish not to reserve a bible?.I think if you would like to reserve a bible the you should have to give a name...just makes seance to me.
Jeremy

- January 19, 2012 at 09:30:38

What gets me is that, they are handing this stuff out yet some schools now are getting rid of O'Canada at the start of the Morning..

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Eddie Vedder

- January 19, 2012 at 09:30:28

What a joke. The entire world yet again laughs at the joke called PEI. They might as well be passing out copies of some cheap paperback comedy novel.. Same thing. Perhaps some of these organized religions should spend less time 'teaching' our children and find better ways for them to stop touching the children.

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- January 19, 2012 at 09:29:57

...of some people not knowing how to 'pick their battles'.

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- January 19, 2012 at 09:29:25

Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and not chosen by God. Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus -- under his arm? The pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies only to priests; refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays – and many kids bullied into suicide …! If the black community or women had it written that they should be put to death; how would they like that? According to biblical law, a father can sell his daughter as a slave. This holier than thou – written so there it shall be -- fallacy; must be stopped. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … the bible and torah have been getting away with this for ages. This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights. The pope, bishops and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. Perhaps religious establishments have pushed too far from San Francisco to Washington -- and it may backfire to such a degree that the churches should be shut down! Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality … soldiers being discharged are indeed exposing something far greater ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society -- period.

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- January 19, 2012 at 09:28:01

It’s now time to shut down the churches with bibles with leviticus 18:22. Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. Tony Perkins and The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down.

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:04:26
  
  MACDONALDBANK please dont tar all Chriatian groups with the same brush. Not all take the entire Bible as being equally and literally valid for today. Some support open minded acceptance and intellectual inquiry. Perhaps the Gideons should send a letter saying if someone wants a Bible they should send in the provided postcard and one will be mailed. I dont think I ever read my Gideon Bible - it was KIng james and the print was really really small. But I had and still have many Bibles and usually buy the newest version to see how it is - Bible reading is not magic - the best way is bible reading and discussion - even fairy tales (if that's all u think they are) have a pont to make - you dont have to be a believer to see some merit. We cant take leviticus 18:22 out of the Bible but we dont have to take it as a "go and do likewise". We do have a brain and more importantly a heart and common sense!
- Head Shaker
  
  - January 20, 2012 at 20:31:39
  
  MacDonaldBank is a troll who reposts the canned responses to random srticles related to religion in anyway. This doesn't seem to be the one where he calls for all publishers who have ever printed a copy of the old testament, and didn't leave out certain books, to be charged with crimes against humanity. He also makes money selling materials on how the Getty family apparently cheated him out of billions of dollars.
Such a Joke

- January 18, 2012 at 23:22:43

This is not Sunday School, it's Monday - Friday School where children learn math, science, english, french, health, political science, geography, history, etc, NOT RELIGION. In saying that, if you are not going to review this practice and take complaints seriously, then start distributing all holy books so children and their families are educated about all religions, not just one.

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:30:16
  
  Well said. Keep religion out of school be it christian or other, Faith is a private matter .
- nitpicker
  
  - January 19, 2012 at 10:30:07
  
  I think they did take the complaint seriously. But that doesn't mean they have to do anything about it. Its one person. Now if multiple families started taking issue, that's different.
- to such a joke
  
  - January 19, 2012 at 09:32:04
  
  Hopefully you don't have any children. If you are worried about English start with yourself. It appears you can read but not comprehend. No one is distributing bibles to students who don't want them. Take up a cause that could actually help someone.
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  - January 19, 2012 at 14:43:54
  
  I completely agree. You wouldn't go to a church and ask them to hand out literature on how to add 2+2 and how such mathematical equations came to be. That is learned in school. Furthermore, if you did, do you think the Church would pass out slips asking the members who would want such literature? Absolutely not, they would just pass on the request altogether. If you aren't with them, they are against you.
Pieter

- January 18, 2012 at 23:21:25

The reason that the Gideons give BIBLES to grade 5 students on schools is because the LORD JESUS CHRIST is the only one on the whole earth that will give you forgiveness of your sin and then you have hope and peace in your life,and have eternal life in heaven,there are so many students that have so much troubles in their lives that they have no hope and no peace in their heart, there are students who commit suicide,There are many witnisses out there that because of a Gideon bible what they have received in grade 5 that their life was completly changed .if you accept JESUS CHRIST in your life He will change your heart completey hate will be love ,will set you free from addiction, you will stop sin and will have a relationship with GOD the FATHER and many more good things will happen in your live HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH.

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:39:23
  
  The Lord loves you so much, he doesn't want you to think for yourself! Remember, if you don't want your child to be religious, you're a terrible person.
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- January 18, 2012 at 23:20:37

School is for learning, not brainwashing. Leave the fairy tales at home.

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:38:18
  
  I second that wonderful comment, oh and the bible is plagiarism by the way thats frowned upon in school isn't it?
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- January 18, 2012 at 22:38:15

Thank you, school boards, for allowing continued freedom in this province to exercise our religion!!

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:10:46
  
  "Freedom in this province to exercise "our" religion? As long as it's Christianity,right? Get your head out of the sand.Yours is not the only way and to think so is narrow-minded,so where's the tolerance,compassion. what's open minded about that?
Learn To Read

- January 18, 2012 at 22:36:44

The kid came home with a form for the parent to fill out if they WANTED their child to RECEIVE a bible. There were no bibles given without the parent's consent, no one was pushing their beliefs on anyone. If a Muslim group wanted to do the same thing...I really fail to see where there's a problem?

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- January 18, 2012 at 20:46:48

So by that logic then I guess that the School Board would have no problem circulating copies of the Koran to students. Right, Ricky?

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  - January 19, 2012 at 10:03:37
  
  If we knew more about the Koran we would all be better off.

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