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Federal Liberals want P.E.I. penalized for lack of abortion services

Interim leader Bob Rae listens to questions during the Liberal Party convention in Ottawa on Saturday. Canadian Press photo

Interim leader Bob Rae listens to questions during the Liberal Party convention in Ottawa on Saturday.

Published on January 18, 2012
Published on January 18, 2012
Teresa Wright  RSS Feed

Resolution calls for denial of transfer money

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Liberal Party of Canada , Prince Edward Island , Canada , National Liberal Women

The Liberal Party of Canada wants provinces like P.E.I. that limit access to abortion to be denied federal transfers.

The party passed a resolution during its biennial convention last weekend to financially penalize provinces that do not "ensure complete access to (abortion) services or that do not pay for women’s access to this procedure."

The resolution was put forward by the National Liberal Women’s Commission as its No. 1 priority.

Mary Pynenburg, president of the commission, says she and several others on her executive were surprised to learn there was a province that does not provide any abortion services. That’s why they decided to make it their top priority.

The resolution, which was voted on and passed by the Liberal delegates at the convention, states abortion is guaranteed under the Canada Health Act.

“Complete access to reproductive health services saves women’s lives and protects their health, thereby making these services an integral part of women’s overall health care,” the resolution states.

Pynenburg was critical of recent statements by Liberal Premier Robert Ghiz that P.E.I.’s lack of abortion services will remain status quo.

“I’m disappointed by that stance because if one of us is not equal then none of us are equal, that’s what equality is all about,” she said in an interview.

“The women of Prince Edward Island deserve the same level of service as the rest of women in Canada.”

“I’m disappointed by that stance because if one of us is not equal then none of us are equal, that’s what equality is all about.” - Mary Pynenburg, president of the National Liberal Women’s Commission

The province does pay the cost of some abortions off-Island, but only for those women who receive a doctor’s referral if the procedure is done in a hospital.

The closest hospital that provides abortions is in Halifax. Women can get abortions without a doctor referral in a private clinic, but government will not fund private clinic abortions. The closest clinic is in Fredericton.

Pynenburg was also critical that none of these travel expenses are covered by the province.

“It’s hard for women across Canada to understand this, because in this day and age it just doesn’t seem right,” she said.

The commission will be consulting with federal Liberal health critic Hedy Fry to raise this issue with the federal government and lobby for P.E.I. to be financially penalized for failing to provide access to abortion services.

This would not be the first time a province was denied transfer money over abortion services. When the Liberals were in power in Ottawa, former health minister Allan Rock withheld hundreds of thousands of dollars from Nova Scotia for failing to provide funding for private clinic abortions about 10 years ago.

P.E.I. Health Minister Doug Currie told The Guardian he would comment on this resolution passed by his party later this week.

twright@theguardian.pe.ca

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    EqualAccess
    - January 20, 2012 at 15:42:32

    @BRYAN You can't give a fetus rights, it occupy's the body of a person who already has rights! To give the fetus any rights is to infringe upon the rights of the mother. Sorry. Your argument is seriously flawed. Women in Canada have these rights, and you can push back all you like, and quote some God, but we live in a society that values rights over beliefs. You want it the other way, go to the US where 'your side' still has fight left in them. But in the end we have law on our side.

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      sunnijo
      - January 20, 2012 at 20:27:57

      Suggestion,add this thinking into your lovley,homey,beautiful commercials running.Come to the beautiful vacation spot, p.e.i Make sure you add [rights above beliefs here] along with Anne of Green Gables...I would rather have right on my side than man made laws that go against huanity

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      joan m
      - January 21, 2012 at 12:39:23

      Refreshing,uplifting , to read such a well thought out response.I have not heard anyone say they love their country untill now. I pray that this freedom continues for the children coming along..Without the Bible,how will they know what to think about abortion ,Christianity,morals ,etc.Thank you for taking time to send along your words of wisdom

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      Bryan Rayner
      - January 23, 2012 at 10:09:12

      In response to Equal Access, the question is where rights can be established if they are not granted by God. The idea that we have "rights" certainly doesn't stem from any atheistic form of morality. In fact, eugenics (ethnic cleansing, killing of 'unfit' human beings) stems from a purely evolutionary view of humanity, and has been the seed of the worst possible genocides. Not to argue, but to inform one reason why I will stand behind a need for God in the equation: God declares all men equal, with equal rights, and responsibilities. Thus, the majority is not allowed to impose their desires upon the minority. They have been created equal in the sight of God - how dare they treat what God has made with contempt? In a Christian way of looking at things, the powerful are held back from doing wrong by God, the judge of all the earth, who will certainly do right. That's why in the Bible God frequently denounces the rich who unjustly treat the poor (Isaiah 58 is one example, so is Isaiah chapter 1, the book of Jeremiah, and much of Jesus' railings against the rulers of the time, the Pharisees) In an evolutionary, atheistic frame of mind (if one chooses to be honest to their world-view, and tries to construct a morality not at all borrowing from God, but purely from the scientific theory) there can be no basis for this care for the unjustly treated. Might makes right - The loudest voices get heard, those with the most force have their way. There is no "fair play" - I mean, that's not how bacteria improve upon their counterparts, and certainly not how the dinosaurs went extinct. The fittest survive - and extrapolating this belief out to the social level does not create "rights". It creates "we will do what is right in our own eyes, and no one can tell us to stop!" Thankfully, we still think that murder is wrong - But in other states such as Nazi Germany, where theories like eugenics were held by those with power - We have not seen such good outcomes of atheism at play. As well, looking at China, where most girl foetus' are aborted not because of an inconvenience or lack of desire to have children on the parents' behalf - but simply because they are female - is this "the right of the parent" as well? Do babies have rights as human beings? To take the argument you proposed to its logical conclusion (You can't give a fetus rights, it occupy's the body of a person who already has rights!) would imply that rights are subjective to physical location. If you were to move this morality to a landlord/tenant situation, it would obviously not be a logical way to determine who has more rights. And why should tenants have rights, even though their landlords are in ownership of the buildings they live in? Not just because the majority have deemed it to be so. It is right because every human being has fundamental rights, which are given by God, regardless of their 'worthiness' to have such rights in the eyes of others. When do people become people with their own rights, protected by our government, and when do those with power have the right to exterminate their lives because we do not see them as fit to live?

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    sunnijoe
    - January 20, 2012 at 11:07:42

    To equalaccesssuypporter,andothers.I have a new word,instead of childish, we could say fetusish[same thing]I do not need to wave God in front of anyone,if you live in a world without God,then perhaps it would be offensive,but so far unlike China, and other communist countries,we are still a CHRISTIAN nation.Why,do you feel the need to keep GOD out of the matter??why is there controversty about bibles in school?I will tell you why,since you asked,God is against this,[thou shal lnot kill]but dear one,just because we ignore the facts,will not change things in the end.Mothers have had babies before in less than perfect conditions and will again.You should all be proud to have a province that still respects human life,expects people to pull their own weight.Do you really want to end up like Cuba,China,bowing to their [dear leader] or be shot?? God bless you and your efforts... Sunnijo

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    sunnijoe
    - January 19, 2012 at 11:58:19

    My,my,the supreme court and parliment say fetuses[as you say]are not people.Perhaps you DO need some Bibles up there.I WAS KNIT TOGETHER IN MY MOTHERS WOMB Luke 1..41 The BABY lept in his Mothers womb...The more I think,perhaps this is a way to cleanse the earth of the way things are going.Someone posted that the gov didnt help enough with college expenses........when did you all decide the GOV needs to help?As I recall,yousaved and paid your own,or went to work things are a changin....

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      EqualAccessSupporter
      - January 20, 2012 at 09:51:42

      You took my comment out of context, and twisted it your own way. If you are seriously going to comment, considering attending to the actual statement. I said nothing about the government paying for college expenses. I talked about programs that helped young parents cover extra costs (i.e. a percentage of childcare). The government is already paying out social assistance to many low-income parents, but once you become a student, it is more difficult to receive such support. In the long run the government is paying out so much more for theses services throughout the run of a child's life is a family remains on social assistance. Why not help give people a chance to become contributing members of society instead? I think I can say many parents would love to get the chance to provide their children with more opportunity than one would have living paycheck to paycheck, or being unable to work at all due to the high cost of childcare not being worth working (as most of the paycheck would instead go to that).

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      Bryan Rayner
      - January 20, 2012 at 11:06:44

      What about the equality of the women who are being aborted in all the other provinces? Are the Liberals concerned about their rights? This should be looked at. For people who want an abortion, the foetus in their womb is a "part of their body". For people who want a baby, they see and treat it as "my baby". This is a fallacy; True equality is not equal choice. It's equal rights. And giving right to one person to kill an inconvenience, at the expense of another's life, is not equal rights.

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    Wayahead
    - January 19, 2012 at 10:11:08

    Keep it up folks! The louder the fundamentalists get the more they prove our point that policy be determined by law with consideration to the rights of people. Rights are greater than beliefs! PRRO has done PEI a great service, hopefully PEI will be brought into the current century on many issues! PRRO for PREMIER!

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      statistically accurate
      - January 19, 2012 at 11:56:50

      @ Actually Would those zelots be the same as the PRRO membership threatening to take away their rights to say no? If I was a Doctor here that had the ability to apply for a license I would not till both sides had a realistic view of the issue. The PEI Government is in compliance with the Law but yet you want legislation to force some one to perform this proceedure. ps they do not perform vasectomy reversals on PEI will that also be on the PRRO agenda too?

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      sunnijoe
      - January 19, 2012 at 15:45:07

      Airhead..I mean wayahead, where are the rights of the unborn people ??What great minds tells you rights are greater than beliefs?You think baby killing is something to be proud of?I am impressed, however,to see that not all Canadians are scared stiff to voice their opinions about the gov.I have found most clam up or change the subject ,so in that regard,,perhaps there is hope,eh?[dont know about the guy who wants ME aborted,poor guy] he probably is short and ugly with no girlfriend,or friend at all,thats not mean is it??

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    Garth Staples
    - January 19, 2012 at 09:33:42

    I would remind some commentators that it is the Ghiz Liberal Govt being chastised by the Federal Liberal Womens' Commission. NOT the federal government. Where oh where are Casey, MacAulay, Easter, Callbeck, Hubley, Downe?

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    SaddenedCitizen
    - January 18, 2012 at 23:26:30

    Hearing all these comment truly saddens me. I'm a student and a young adult, someone who's figuring out how things work in the world and how sad a place it really has become. 1) Just because everyone else has legislated it, doesn't make it right. This is logical fallacy. Just because all your friends do heroin doesn't mean that it's "progressive" or "right" for you too as well. 2) I looked at some of these fact pages people have posted. Again, nothing but sadness. What truly makes me wonder is how our society got to the point where there are no consequences for your actions. I'm sure most women abortions were using birth control in their birth month. However, they don't realize that 99.9% effective still leaves 0.1%. Getting pregnant is a potential consequence of having sex, just like cutting yourself is a potential consequence of picking up broken glass. If you're ready to have sex, you should acknowledge that you have to be ready for the possibility of a baby. It's pretty tough to have the possibility of one without the possibility of the other. 3) PEI doesn't live in the dark ages. Here on the Island we just take our time to come to a decision and change something that is a really big deal. To some, legislating or not funding abortion services on PEI is a life or death situation, which is why you get people opposing it as fervently as those fighting for it. 4) This whole concept of "rights" has really gotten out of hand in my opinion. I can't even see how anyone has a right to food or water; it doesn't offend the essence of your being to be denied food or water. Food and water are something you need to fight for in some way, shape or form whether it's actually fighting or by selling your time in exchange for money to buy it. All these other "rights", like a right to education boggles my mind. I can't fathom how I inherently require subsidized post-secondary education, nonetheless the right to visit a doctor Anyway, I've started to ramble and have likely interfered with the fighters trying to bring in progress to our little ignorant province. It just brings a resigned sigh to my lips when I see where our society has come.

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      No Harm Done
      - January 19, 2012 at 11:07:55

      Don't worry SaddenedCitizen, you didn't interfere at all. Your beliefs have not deterred any of the fighters and you certainly have not changed the Canadian Charter. Please feel at ease now.

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    Jimbo
    - January 18, 2012 at 19:13:29

    And what about women who are raped and as a result are impregnated by the the animal who did it? How do you think she would feel, bringing a child into the world that was a result of such a thing? To have to live and care for a child that was forced upon her. Times have changed; it's not 1900 anymore. Abortion isn't illegal and if the services are available everywhere in Canada, then they should be here too.

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      Anne Wright
      - January 18, 2012 at 23:20:28

      Oh, JIMBO, cut it out. What do the religious right care about the circumstances for mother and child? Please. You cannot argue with the brainwashed. Ya just can't. They live in their own little worlds. So intent are they to ensure a place for themselves in "heaven," they're not the least bit concerned about sacrificing lives for their own selfish gains. At least, an abortion is a one-time event which the zygote cannot feel; being born to a mom who can't or won't look after the child represents a lifetime of horrors. But hey, why should they care? These pro-lifers don't have to live it. Their job ends after they have created misery for others. A pitiful lot to be sure, but there you have it. Can't you feel the love?!!

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      statistically accurate
      - January 19, 2012 at 10:14:00

      Jimbo, statistically rape and sexual assault compose less than one percent of those seeking abortion. So to recap all of the hyperbole, Abortions are legal in PEI and are funded however since there has not been a Doctor apply to have a license to perform the proceedure the Province will pay for the proceedure in Halifax which is similar to numnerous proceedures on PEI which you require a Doctor's recommendation, a specialist to sign off and Health PEI to authorize the proceedure. Although, this one is funded, vasectomy reversals are paid for by the user. Women requiring this proceedure can access this service in a clinic setting in a more effecient time sensitive way but as all services accessed by Islanders in a clinic setting reimbursement will only be by a secondary insurance or user pay. There are the facts. For those who do not like the proceedure of Abortion get the legislation changed. For the women want this here, lobby a doctor to get the license and set up shop. There is nothing stopping that occurance besides willingness and the rights of the Doctors to say no. If you remove their rights remember your rights could be next. While you are doing that could you also find a Family Doctor for Souris, O'leary's Clinic, 2 for Charlottetown (to replace Robbie Coull), an Oncologist, and at least one Dematologist. We are short on those too.

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    Jimbo
    - January 18, 2012 at 19:13:22

    And what about women who are raped and as a result are impregnated by the the animal who did it? How do you think she would feel, bringing a child into the world that was a result of such a thing? To have to live and care for a child that was forced upon her. Times have changed; it's not 1900 anymore. Abortion isn't illegal and if the services are available everywhere in Canada, then they should be here too.

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      Actually...
      - January 19, 2012 at 11:13:51

      Yes Doctors have the right to apply to do them or not do them. HOWEVER it is laregely the persecution that they will face from the overzealous religious folk on the island who have harrassed both the doctors and their children for the advocation of women's rights. The heroin analogy is horrible. You are comparing doing heroin to FOLLOWING THE LAW! what's next? That is the thing we need to be thinking about. If the provinicial government feels they have the liberty to do this, what else are they going to decide for us?

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    SunniJo
    - January 18, 2012 at 17:13:00

    Where to start..This is no longer the P.E.I I knew,where our grandparents worked so hard,took their family to church,read the Bible before meals[no matter how tired and hungry we were]The letters are astounding.I havent heard this kind of rhetoric in years.ie womans body,her rights,fetus.There is not a person alive ignorant enough to say that an unborn CHILD is not a person,and to want it killed for FREE.God help and forgive you.Are there not enough decent people up there to stand up and stop this murder of the next generation?Frank W who are you being fair to??Progressive change?China is away ahead of you.Is Doug Currie against infant murder? is this why you are calling him a coward?Stratigest,try telling Tebo that not ripping an unborn baby to shreds[for free] i s discriminating.Joan of Snark,moneymatters,savealifeorpayafine?seriously??Myisland,health care for women meansmurdering their innocent unborn baby.This discussion is disgusting...,you travel toHalifax or Moncton for everything under e sun,but want abortion at your doorstep? What a great example to the next generation.

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      Aborted
      - January 18, 2012 at 19:14:38

      Ignorant people like you should have been aborted on the third trimester .

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      Hmmm
      - January 18, 2012 at 19:14:03

      No, it isn't the PEI of your grandparents any longer, or even your parents, and that is what many Islanders haven't yet come to terms with. It seems people are increasingly willing to stand up for themselves, and hold politicians accountable, and less willing to go along with the culture of fear and intimidation that has kept this province stuck in the past for so long. Ghiz may have thumbed his nose at them once too often.

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      Speaking of ignorance
      - January 18, 2012 at 20:47:17

      @SUNNIJO: "there is not a person alive ignorant enough to say that an unborn CHILD [sic] is not a person." Not a single one, huh? Did you forget about, oh, I don't know, the entire regulatory edifice of this country? None less than Parliament and the Supreme Court of Canada have decided that FETUSES (they are not yet children) are not human beings with accompanying rights. Seriously. Learn to brain.

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      EqualAcessSupporter
      - January 19, 2012 at 10:14:57

      You are only one opinion in this argument, and the fact that you are assuming you speak for everyone is offensive. For as many women who choose to go through with pregnancies, there are just as many who require abortion services, either for medical or personal choices. Waving God in front of you as an argument and as the be all and end all for decisions is truly ignorant. Not everyone follows the same faith, or shares the same views. Accessibility to these services are a right in this society, and if you choose not to utilize them, that is YOUR personal choice, you cannot choose for others. Honestly in your defense and with your personal standpoint, you should be focusing your energies into advocating for better resources and support for women who choose to continue with their pregnancies. I have been in that position, and trust me, there isn't much there for single mother's in terms of support, whether financial or emotional. What's worse, is as a young mother who chose to go to university, I was completely abandoned by this province and what little aid I was receiving was removed, making it even harder to make ends meet while completing my degree. You would think they would want to provide as much aid as possible to those who are willing to go through school and obtain a job that allows them to be contributing members to the economy. The lack of support is very discouraging. To backtrack, calling women murderers and telling them that they are disgusting is childish. If you sincerely want to voice your opinion, you would be more effective if you presented your side with poise as well as respect to other people's viewpoints, while maintaining your own in a mature fashion.

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    Lutz
    - January 18, 2012 at 17:11:31

    Here here! Will Doug Currie compare it to a heart transplant again on Friday?

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    IslandMom
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:49:57

    Did you see the other Guardian article that quotes Doug Currie saying our health care policy is 'fairly progressive' on PEI. What an outrageously bizarre statement from a Health Minister who is currently in a battle with his own community on how to bring full access of primary health care services to women! I will never again be Liberal at the provincial level. PEI Liberals don't know the meaning of the word Liberal. Fairly progressive....bah.

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    givemeabreak
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:49:34

    How about PRECAUTION! Yes folks, condoms and birth control help protect from unwanted pregnancy! If your that WORRIED over not having the right to an abortion use ABSTINENCE. Also, as far as it not being covered I don't think any province should pay for it.

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      Fairly Progressive
      - January 18, 2012 at 15:22:38

      Uphold rights, uphold law and push for access until we get it, and we will! And then we'll fight to keep it, so you keep debating abortion and teach girls in schools to hold a penny between their knees and we'll do the real work of caring for women's rights on PEI.

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      GIVEISLANDWOMENABREAK
      - January 18, 2012 at 19:12:58

      Precaution? Really? In an ideal world people would practice abstinence but there are pressures and issues. Condom use is important but sometimes condoms break, then what? Welcome to the real world where "ideal" and "reality" are two different things. Not to mention rape, it happens. Victims of rape should not be further victimized by being told their government and their province do not support their medical needs.

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    Doug
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:43:40

    The real issue here is the wingnut proposals that have come out of this last Liberal convention. Legalize pot, abortion... Do they really think that these are mainstream Canadian ideals? It's like they don't want to get re-elected!

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      frank white
      - January 19, 2012 at 09:31:27

      i'd say they are smart policies. they aren't going to be the deal-breakers, but they will draw a lot of attention (and votes). the NDP and Green party get a lot of votes as it is for their pro-marijuana status, and the Liberals are joining suit, while the Conservatives go backwards against the 70%+ of Canadians that support legalization. 70% is pretty mainstream, and a local CBC poll at legalization support at around 90%....

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    Queen of Jordan
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:41:08

    So will the provincial Liberals rather be fined, spend **OUR** money in NS hospitals to perform abortions or just finally allow abortions to be performed in our hospitals? Because if the equipment is here, shouldn't we spend our money here??

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    OMG
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:22:55

    "This day and age" doesn't apply here... THIS IS P.E.I.!!! This place is so far behind the rest of the country it's rediculous... and honestly... personal opinions on abortion rights are just that... personal opinions...

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    Real talk
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:22:44

    The thing is... the federal money gives the provinces money to help them follow the Health Act... but if the province is ignoring the Health Act, then why shoudl the feds give them money? I support the federal liberals.

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    nancy
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:22:07

    I'm glad that there is some common sense finally being shown by the government. About time women in this province have access to safe and affordable abortions.

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    cowardly government
    - January 18, 2012 at 14:20:05

    Robert Ghiz and Doug Currie should resign. I live near Ghiz and would spit in his face if he came to my door begging for a vote like the cowardly dog that he is !!!!!! And Doug Currie is in the same boat. And I don't see Olive Crane rushing to help Island women. All of these jerks need to be brought to task over this. They are far too close to the churches around here...

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    Twiggy
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:28:12

    I am still befuddled how Ghiz could be appointed by his colleagues to spearhead nation wide health discussions in the face of his resistance to abortion services for PEI women. Not a single journalist in the country has yet put this contradiction in clear terms to the Canadian public, even with this highly pertinent federal Liberal resolution. Teresa, you are to be commended for your vigilance on this story line since the PRRO group took the initiative a few weeks back. Ok you have given Currie- and by effect Ghiz- a few days to get their act together but there are many other big Liberals being allowed to avoid accountability. The Guardian made much ado but Sean Casey heading off to the Liberal convention but has not printed a peep from him since his return. What is going on here? Wayne Easter already admitted to CBC that he did not vote for this resolution of the National Liberal Women's Commission. But not a word from Sean Casey. Why? Casey, a corporate conniver and unrepentant self feeder of government funds, had the unmitigated gall to hold a public forum on poverty recently. Few instances of inequality are more glaring than the difference between women of high vs. low incomes facing choices around pregnancy. Yet we hear nothing from Casey on the backwardness of Ghiz and Currie on this question of women's health. Even with this passed resolution we hear nothing from Casey. Did he vote for the resolution? Is he lobbying his provincial colleagues? No wonder so many purportedly progressive people can be duped into voting Liberal. Their biggest players are given chances to avoid accountability by the media. Let us hear what the Liberals, as a party, are saying about this on PEI. Mentioning that Currie needs more time does not cut it. Not by a long shot! I want to know what Sean Casey is saying and doing about this. if he wants the MP pay check he has to deal with the issues and concerns of the women in this city.

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    OMGonPEI
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:26:23

    Health Minister will comment on Friday - would LOVE to see that propaganda machine in motion right now, buzzing busily on how to look good. Bets anyone that yet again, the Premier and Health Minister will chicken out on taking any real steps to meeting the primary sexual health needs of Island Women? I hope Mr. Ghiz gets Mr. Currie to consult on his plan for Innovation at the National level - the pair could really save the country some money cutting women's services.

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    FromAway
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:22:45

    To the women and men who are fighting to bring access to PEI a big round of applause. You are doing the work of our Premier and Health Minister and as they spin their wheels to figure out how to get out ahead of the Press...Islanders will reap the rewards of your hard work! Well done keeping this on the agenda, keep going until the job is done.

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    Outinfront
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:22:36

    I surely hope the folks still talking about the ethics/morality of abortion keep doing so, that way they won't get in the way of the real work of defending the law. If they were smart they'd take their debate to the courts (ooops, sorry, didn't mean to tip them off to the way educated citizens get things done). Hats off to the Federal Liberals!

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    Time to catch up
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:22:15

    It looks like regular embarassment on the national stage and looming lawsuits are the only way to drag this province into the modern world. About time, too.

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    John F Ryan
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:21:55

    The victims of Stalin and Hitler could run and hide and seek shelter with friends. The same can't be said for the aborted human. Bob Rae is a very clever man,a Rhodes scholar. It is sad to see somebody with the God given gifts that he has to be so malicious in his way of thinking. I pray that he will relent. John F Ryan(former Peier)

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      REMEMBERHOW
      - January 18, 2012 at 14:20:43

      @JOHN F RYAN: Remember how in Canada we have separation of church and state? Well, the state (and science) say the fetus isn't human. But good try.

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    LOOK
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:21:17

    Why is so much being said about lack of abortion services on PEI??? There are MANY medical services not offered on PEI that islanders need to travel to Halifax to receive. These are often severe health issues and life and death situations. An abortion my be the womans choice, but is indeed a CHOICE not a necessity. Perhaps our government needs to look at offer other medical services on PEI so that sick and hurt people do not need t travel just to receive attention.

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      LOOKAGAIN
      - January 18, 2012 at 14:21:35

      @ LOOK: The differences are: 1) equipment and medical staff for abortions are already here; 2) the government's denial of access is POLITICAL ONLY; it's not about funding or population. This makes it illegal, since it is denial of access on the basis of a political agenda found to be unconstitutional (see Supreme Court ruling of 1988). It's really not so hard to grasp, people. Make your brain do some more work. That's what it's there for.

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      sunnyjo
      - January 20, 2012 at 20:28:10

      Look again.....short answer MONEY a virtual goldmine awaits.Big bucks in the abortion business,just going away to another province.. where did I read,thinking himself wise ,he became a fool?yeah,make your brain work,thats what its there for

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    waldorf
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:20:49

    imagin if we taught birth control , we would wipe out abortion once and for all, why should the tax payers pay for Careless Behavior ,

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      Concerned
      - January 18, 2012 at 17:11:17

      Birth Control is taught in the public school system, along with sexual education. I think you are of the same demograph that needs to read the FACTS on this page: http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html

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    a reasonable islander
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:20:41

    I see that people here are still trying to argue their PERSONAL opinions here. It doesn't matter what you BELIEVE about fetus and murder and so on! The FEDERAL Government of CANADA, the country that we ALL live in has already made its stance about abortion. Thank you FEDERAL Liberal Government for finally seeing this injustice and bringing light to it. Shame on the PROVINCIAL Liberals for their cowardly ways and hiding behind "status quo", to ensure they still have votes next election. It's time to stand up and do what's right. EQUAL ACCESS FOR ALL WOMEN.

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    GOB Bluth
    - January 18, 2012 at 13:20:18

    COME ON why doesn't the province resolve this before PRRO sues them, costing Islanders unnecessary cost COME ON

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    TRUTH
    - January 18, 2012 at 12:19:51

    Truth is: abortion of a human fetus is the most inhumane act, the height of savagery.

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      REALTALKYO
      - January 18, 2012 at 14:23:28

      @TRUTH: Oh, thank you for that completely unsubstantiated statement of personal opinion likely based on no direct experience or bodily investment in the issue. The Supreme Court of Canada will take that on board right away and get back to you personally! Thank you. Finally, someone on the internet has said some undocumented stuff about other stuff. Thank you for your courage to speak the truth (of your subjective unverifiable opinion that's been dismissed by legal precedents in all industrially advanced nations). Way to go great job truth it up, man.

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    lilley
    - January 18, 2012 at 12:19:28

    Phew!! With the economic near collapse in many western economies, Canada teetering on recession, health care costs rising faster than the economic growth, what are the federal Liberals deliberating on?? Paying for travelling expenses to the Fredericton Clinic!! Maybe these Liberals should get a real job to keep thenselves occupied, and pay for these expenses themselves. Give us a break, those who want the service should be prepared to pay for services rendered!!

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    MyIsland
    - January 18, 2012 at 12:19:04

    Take him to school ladies! Mr. Ghiz and Mr. Currie should be embarrassed to be called on the National stage. They have not seen to the primary health care of Island women. Shame!

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    EmbarrassedonPEI
    - January 18, 2012 at 12:18:13

    Mr. Ghiz and Mr. Currie are behind the times, let's make sure we leave them behind during the next election too!

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      frank white
      - January 19, 2012 at 09:31:34

      for 2015 i predict NDP, the underdog, winning on PEI

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    Jacks book
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:58:31

    Liberals just ripped one of the biggest pages out of Layton's play book. They can pass and say what ever they want, vote anyway they want because it means nothing and changes nothing. The resolution on marijuana, beautiful! Ask them how they are going to reconcile the Canadian Anti-smoking strategy. Never listen to what politicians say, always pay attention to their actions. Are you wondering why Easter was out of the room and why has no one asked MacAullay where he was?

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    Megan
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:57:43

    am I the only one that see's the irony in this articles headline? Federal Liberals want to penalize PEI but it's one of their own that won't bring it here, who says what we have in place is good enough. Time to join the rank of your fellow Liberal's Mr. Ghiz, your stance on Abortion is really quite conservative in my eyes.

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    David
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:44:30

    To think the party that was lead by people like Trudueau or Chretioen would now pass a resolution that says because PEI refuses to murder unborn children that now the province should be punished. I am disgusted by the Liberal Party of Canada and would be interested in knowing if our 3 island MP's voted in favor of this resolution. Islanders should be quote disgusted by the Liberal Party of Canada and be thankful that they are the third party and are no longer in power and if this is the kind of thing that the NEW liberal party are supporting then it is now a party that needs to stay in 3rd party status. Islanders should be applauding Ghiz for saying that he believes in the life of an unborn child. I would hope churches and people everywhere in PEI will be coming out in support of Ghiz and at same time telling the Liberal MP's they are very wrong.

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      PAY ATTENTION
      - January 18, 2012 at 22:38:30

      The Liberal party may be the third party - but the NDP stand behind behind abortion rights as well. The NDP spoke at PRRO's rally for access & Harper won't touch the issue. Oh, and Ghiz said nothing of the sort - he merely said he supported the status quo.

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      Anne Wright
      - January 18, 2012 at 23:18:45

      David, ignorance is something which you seem to embrace. Why? When an abortion is done by the end of first trimester--even the fourth month--what resides in the woman's womb is a zygote whose nervous system is not yet fully formed AND connected. Thus, it cannot feel any pain whatever. Now you can continue to refer to the aborted zygote as a child until your hell freezes over. The fact remains the aborted thing is still a ZYGOTE with no feeling. Are we perfectly clear? The day you pro-lifers get on board and assist these unwanted children and their moms so that they can have a reasonable chance at a liveable life, you show without a doubt that you and your ilk are immeasurably heartless.

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    Lackov Understandin
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:44:03

    If Ms. Pyneburgbis upset about abortion services, wait till she finds out that we do not have most services here but basic triage to send to the mainland from transplants to a dermatologist. Maybe to a little research beyond talking point to have a better appreciation of the situation as a whole. Will this mean her organization will advocate for Provincally paid for abortion with in a closer radius of three hours of every woman in Canada? It makes as much sense. PEI government is in favour as soon as a doctor applies for a license they will aprove, until then the PEI health care system will continue to fund them out of Halifax just like vascectomy reversals.

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      LACKOV BRAIN
      - January 18, 2012 at 14:21:18

      Oh, they will, will they? How interesting. Then why does the province have trained medical staff and all the necessary equipment to perform the service, and yet we still don't have access to them on the Island? Why has the non-provision of abortions been in effect since a provincial resolution passed in 1988 to "protect the fetus"? Speaking of doing more research ... Um, do more research.

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      Lackov Understandin
      - January 19, 2012 at 14:45:02

      As far as the equipment and staff it is genaric to most services in the GYN services and the staff still lacks the license. They do perform them her in life threatening, to the mother, situations. As far as the "act" you mentioned we live in, to you, an unfortunate Democracy better known as the majority rules. You do not like the rules garner support and have them changed. PRRO wants their rights recognized while they wish to suspend some one else's "choice" to chose. I find that interesting. PEI Government has already said they would support some one who applied for the license. They cannot have some one doing any proceedure with out proper documentation. The Lobby for this should not want someone who is not licensed either due to competency and Liability. Before you lump me as some one who is against abortion, I am not. I do however have first hand knowledge of how many other services are not provided. Everyone has the rigth to health care and the shape of it on PEI you have to prove you point in a business case. How will having this proceedure on PEI impact on current services? If there is no impact you have a case. If is required by enough Islanders it could trump something else then you have made your case. Only in that scenario there will be something else that a less amout of persons will be going off-island for treatment for.

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      Too manytochoose
      - January 19, 2012 at 14:30:04

      There is too many things he could compare it to on PEI. Heart and Lung transplants, Head trauma, major orthopaedic care or a Dermatologist for that itchy rash.

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    joan of snark
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:43:20

    Would hardcore pro-lifers rather the province be fined or to have abortions performed here?? Genuinely curious

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    frank white
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:43:15

    the 10% of the crowd that makes 90% of the noise on PEI is sure to complain, fortunately level-headed islanders welcome progressive changes, and more importantly, fairness. good job fed liberals.

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    John MacKenzie
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:43:05

    Why are political parties weighing in on the law? This should be a no-brainer from the government. And it should've been obvious 25 years ago.

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    Finally
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:12:11

    Time to get into the 21st century here, people. Premier Ghiz can't play 'both sides' forever!

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    strategist
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:12:07

    This is clearly discrimination... whether you're for or against abortion, this is wrong... Good on the federal libs for coming out against the province on this issue.

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    cowardly minister
    - January 18, 2012 at 11:11:50

    I'm glad that Doug Currie is finally being brought to task.

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    voter
    - January 18, 2012 at 10:52:37

    the right to murder the uborn is a statement about the individuals worth in society -- they do the same thing almost with unwanted kittens

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    Trevor Leclerc
    - January 18, 2012 at 10:52:24

    I completely support this resolution, and would encourage other Parties to follow suit. This is not a partisan issue. This is about compliance with the law of the land.

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