Teachers asking government to recognize their workload



P.E.I. Education Minister Alan McIsaac, left, Canadian Teachers' Federation president Paul Taillefer, centre, and P.E.I. Teachers' Union president Gilles Arsenault chat during a break at the federation's convention Thursday. Guardian photo by Mitch MacDonald

P.E.I. Education Minister Alan McIsaac, left, Canadian Teachers' Federation president Paul Taillefer, centre, and P.E.I. Teachers' Union president Gilles Arsenault chat during a break at the federation's convention Thursday.

Published on October 21, 2011
Published on October 21, 2011
Ryan Ross  RSS Feed
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P.E.I. Teachers , Education Department , Iceland

Working with government officials has benefitted the P.E.I. Teachers' Federation, says the union's president.

Gilles Arsenault, PEITF president, said Island teachers have a good working relationship with education partners, such as parents, school boards and the Education Department.

"We are the envy of the country."

More than 2,000 teachers from across the province were expected to gather for the annual convention that involved two days of personal development sessions, such as relating to teens and training students on the safe use of social media.

This year's theme is investing in students today for a stronger tomorrow.

The halls at the Delta Prince Edward were packed with teachers as they mingled between sessions Thursday morning and toured the various booths that vendors set up to pitch their wares.

Arsenault said as president he will do his best to serve the interests of teachers and knows he won't please everyone.

"They say that Jesus walked on this Earth and didn't please everyone so do you think that Gilles Arsenault can beat that?" he joked.

The PEITF is asking the government to support teachers and recognize their workload, Arsenault said, and added he hopes the government will continue to defend the interests of students and teachers in the province.

Arsenault said there are still challenges in the classrooms, which are not the same as they were five years ago.

"These days, class size is less relevant than class composition, he said.

Still, Arsenault encouraged government to maintain teacher numbers despite declining enrolment and said teachers are the driving force behind the education system. Without you, the system would collapse.

New Education Minister Alan McIsaac, who is a farmer by trade, gave opening remarks at the convention and said he remembered a time several years ago when a former teacher was named as agriculture minister.

McIsaac said at the time he wondered how a teacher could manage the agriculture file.

Well, now the roles are reversed, he said.

During his speech, McIsaac joked as he welcomed his wife, brother, sister and sister-in-law, who are all teachers.

Despite not being a teacher himself, McIsaac said he has been immersed in educational issues his entire life and it's through his life as a farmer that he learned to respect the magnitude of the teachers' jobs.

You are responsible for cultivating one of the most important products of life: well-rounded, well-educated, life-long learners, he said.

McIsaac said he wants to encourage an open discussion between himself and educators and joked by capping off his speech with something his principal once told him.

You, come to see me in my office, he said.

The morning also saw Michael Kaufmann deliver a presentation on how society is raising boys to be men and the expectations placed on them as they grow up.

Kaufmann told a story about when his son was born and the nurse who lowered the tone of her voice as she told him the baby was a strong little fellow.

I was shocked, Kaufmann said.

During the presentation, Kaufmann used images of perceived masculinity, including old pictures of somewhat goofy-looking Batman and Superman in tights as what used to be the unattainable ideals of manhood.

He compared those to modern versions of the superheroes who have bulging muscles and what he called supersized masculinity.

Kaufmann said society is raising boys through humiliation and teaches them to mistrust their feelings, such as telling them big boys don't cry. None of us can ever live up to those ideas of manhood, he said.

But while he discussed many of the problems he saw in the way society is raising boys, Kaufmann said he doesn't think the future is bleak for them.

I think it is amazing.

rross@theguardian.pe.ca

 

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  • Username
    Gerry
    - October 22, 2011 at 15:24:00

    The Island is rampant with no-minds who obviously are at a loss as to what to do with their energy, other than displaying their hateful jealousy for anyone who has tandemly CHOSEN to become educated AND successful. It is obvious these chronic complainers have low self-esteem issues, otherwise they would be supporting the very professional people we so depend on, a few examples being: teachers; municipal, provincial and federal government employees; lawyers; doctors; nurses; police; military; business owners; college and university students. Shall I go on? Time to get over yourself and start contributing something worthwhile to society versus your futile attemtpt to drag others down into your sorrowful sphere of hatred and envy.

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    That Guy From PEI
    - October 22, 2011 at 13:15:38

    Thanks to @Teacher for clarifying @Donnie's google stats? Donnie, the Teachers and friends of Teachers are defending because they are trying to correct the incorrect facts. I might be mistaken, but you were one of the first to comment on this story....so don't blame people for sticking up for themselves when you're the one opening the can of worms. Actually, this really seems like the characteristics of a bully - Donnie! So Donnie, it seems like you're a jealous person...this is why you made your initial comment. One last question for everyone.....would you rather 2.5 million dollars of dirt in Borden OR 5,000 new computers in our Island schools? When will we put our schools first, support our Teachers, and be happy for our fellow Islander? Teacher or RCMP officer....

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  • Username
    Donnie
    - October 22, 2011 at 09:41:15

    Actually, it's more like $68,000.00 per year adjusted to include benefits and pension submissions, try punching in average annual wage pei teacher in Google. Or take a look at BC teachers wage negotiation figures. So, it's not 180 days they work it's up to 198? Or another way of saying it is 46 days less than the average worker? As far as the RCMP comparison goes; similar starting wages, but the RCMP officer works longer, harder, with more stress and less time off - less education too of course. Why is it when you post the hours worked, days worked, or salary for other professions they don't get offended, but teachers feel the need to go on the defensive and justify themselves? It's construed as "bitterness" to post how many days a teacher works and their average wage. Own up to the facts, you have a very good paying job with 40+ more days off than most people, and our Island pupils are doing well below average on standardized testing. Are these not true statements?

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  • Username
    teacher wanted
    - October 22, 2011 at 09:36:10

    to anyone and especially the naysayers, walk a mile in the teacher's shoes and don't forget the welfare and education of the 20 or 30 students who follow along with you

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    teacher wanted
    - October 22, 2011 at 09:35:39

    i invite anyone,especially the naysayers, to walk a mile in the teachers shoes and good luck with the 20 or 30 kids that are holding on to you

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    Dave Mumbai
    - October 21, 2011 at 23:18:03

    Donnie, you seem to have serious issues with teachers. Did one of them keep you in class and not let you go to recess one day?

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  • Username
    Follow the Lemming
    - October 21, 2011 at 22:49:47

    Oh is it the heavy workload? Is this the reason why our students are getting the lowest marks in the world in standardized testing? Why are our students graduating when they cannot read, spell, add or subtract? What ever is the problem? The navel gazing has got to end. Our education system is failing miserably and the teachers should focus on this rather than the work load. Can't take the heat then get out of the classroom. There are lots of teachers looking for work and ours cannot produce results so what is the real problem. Tough week on freeloaders; DVA, ACOA and the teachers getting kicked around now.

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    Teacher
    - October 21, 2011 at 22:05:35

    I am so tired of hearing people complain about teachers. I am a teacher and yes... I get my summers off and all the holidays in between... it's a great perk! Unfortunately, while I was born and spent most of my life in PEI, I was forced to move off island to pursue my career. I have been working in Ontario for ten years now. The pay is great...I take home my fair chunk every two weeks. But...when I divide that by the number of days of the week, divide it further by the number of hours in my work day and then divide by the number of students I teach...I make $3.33 per hour/ per child...this doesn't include all the extra work I do at home in the evenings, weekends and summer time! Now...let's think about these 21 children in my regular grade 4/5 class. Twelve of these students are on Individualized Education Programs, with learning goals that are different from the other 9 students in the class...all requiring separate one to one programming for their needs. Of these twelve students, one is functioning at the cognitive ability of a four year old, he has Autism Spectrum Disorder and Tourette Syndrome...Child # 2 also has Tourette Syndrome and ADHD...Child # 3 has ADHD and Anxiety/Mood Disorder...Child #4 has Oppositional Defiant Disorder...Child #5 has ADHD and a diagnosed learning disability...Child #6, #7 and #8 are diagnosed with ADHD, Child #9, #10 and #11 are not diagnosed with a specific disorder, but they are not able to keep up with the regular curriculum...Child #12 is in the process of having a pychological assessment done, as he has difficulty with grade level curriculum and he has severe behavioural outbursts involving physical aggression. So, that's a brief description of my "12." I didn't mention the 6 who suffer from extreme anxiety because of their home life, or the 5 that I have to feed each day because they come from homes where there is no food in the cupboards. In any given day, I'm running 14 separate programs in my classroom ranging from Kindergarten to Grade 5, aside from that I am wiping the tears of children who spent the night listening to their parents fight, aside from that I'm feeding hungry bellies who had no food for breakfast and only have a slice of bread with butter on it for lunch. Then there are the kid's who cry out for help, like child #12 who took a gun to school yesterday and was playing with it in class at snack time. Thankfully when the police inspected it, it was a fake, but nonetheless...it added to the anxiety in my classroom and thus my workload for the day! I go to work for 7:30 am and leave at 4:00 pm. I go home, make dinner for my husband and 2 year old, put my child to bed by 8pm and spend a minimum of 2 hours setting up those 14 programs and marking my students progress. At the end of the day when I crawl into bed, I think about that $3.33 I make per hour/per child...I think..."is it worth it?" The answer is always yes. If I can make a small difference in the life of one child...if I can feed a hungry belly or calm the tears of an emotional child...my $3.33 was completely worth it! I'm not sharing my story to get my say or to even try to prove a point that is argued about everytime an article comes up in the Guardian about teachers. I'm telling my story because I don't think some people realize the workload that teachers are talking about. I understand that while my class is a regular mainstream classroom, it is on the higher side with respect to student needs. Every classroom comes with it's own set of needs and challenges...different workloads. Regardless, most teachers are not in it for the $3.33 per hour/per child, or the summers/holiday perks. Most teachers are in it because they care about the children and their learning and want to try to make a difference. So...please...before you criticize, spend a day with a teacher...watch him/her program for their children, deliver the lessons and try to make the little aches in a child's life better...ask yourself if you'd do it for $3.33 per hour! To end...thank you to all the other workers out there, who chose to take up plumbing, farming, nursing, etc....life would be more difficult if we didn't have you...you work hard! Now, think about the teachers who got you to where you are today....I bet there is atleast one who worked hard and earned his/her $3.33 per hour for you!

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  • Username
    Donnie
    - October 21, 2011 at 22:03:09

    @I Have A Job; rather than resorting to insults, why not show us what you really know and point out any errors I made in the previous statement, if any? Oh, and no, I'm not going to bother replying to your erroneous comments regarding my employment.

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    • Username
      I have a job
      - October 21, 2011 at 23:14:34

      You idiot, you just did reply.

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    That Guy From PEI
    - October 21, 2011 at 22:01:30

    @ JOE So Joe....I did some quick calculations based on my friend, who is a teacher, and what they spend in the classroom. 13 hour day X 5 days a week + 4 hours on Sunday for prep time + Work shops that DO happen during the summer + Prep time during August = A Teacher working 53.07 hours per week on average!!!!   Jeez...that's more than the 50 you just mentioned....

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  • Username
    Queen Bee
    - October 21, 2011 at 22:00:30

    Donnie: Check your facts, it's $41 000, 196-198 days depending on the year, and the only people who teach two classes are paid 50%. These classes are 80 min, not the 40 minute classes you probably had if you went to high school. What is your point in comparing a teacher to an RCMP officer? Don't they just drive around all day drinking coffee and eating donuts? Of course not, and teachers don't sit around all day either. Machines don't plan those 80 minute lessons, and teachers don't have assistants to help them with making tests, correcting tests and essays. PD days are not holidays- if they were during "vacation" then it wouldn't be vacation would it? If you think teaching is so sweet, rather than complain, why don't you keep quiet and become one yourself?

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  • Username
    union
    - October 21, 2011 at 20:04:03

    teachers need to smarten up and demand more from their federation !!!! the federation does not take care of the teachers work hours properly -some teachers work day in ,day out with a 5 or 10% prep time along with as much extra duty and extra curricular responsibility as administration, the board and the government can cram in and the federation "ASKS "---is it time for less fraternizing between the gov't and the federation ????????? Don't forget, the teacher is dealing with the pride and joy of many taxpayers-sons,daughters grandchildren etc,etc --the teacher is an integral part of the students day and both need a good working environment -----the federation is slack in helping students and teachers attain this requirement

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  • Username
    Bang On
    - October 21, 2011 at 19:34:49

    Donnie is right... PD Days, Storm Days, Home by 8-3:30, Summers Off...enough said.

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      Annie A.
      - October 21, 2011 at 20:26:21

      I'm not sure I get the bitterness against teachers. There are certainly some teachers who take advantage of the system and only work the hours you're talking about, but those types show up in every profession, including whatever job you work at. Here's a thought - get over your problems with teachers. Maybe you had a bad experience in school, or maybe you're just jealous over the summers off, but teachers have an incredibly important job. They're forming future citizens. If you supported those teachers who are doing a great job (and if you actually tried you'd see that they do exist) instead of assuming all of them were slackers who were in it for the summers off you might find that you're supporting the young people they're teaching. Also, you might actually learn how to properly capitalize in a sentence.

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      That Guy From PEI
      - October 21, 2011 at 20:25:56

      PD days because times change and Island teachers need to stay current. Storm days because Mother Nature says so and no sense killing someone who can work from home. Summers off because they have pay deducted year round to be able to do so and to prevent burnout. And most importantly....My friend who is a Teacher works 8am till 9pm everyday...that a fact. ENOUGH SAID and please keep your ridiculous comments off this thread.....

    • Username
      That Guy From PEI
      - October 21, 2011 at 22:07:13

      Here's the thing Joe.... Working 50 hour weeks for 50 weeks with no paid holiday sounds like a job that has been attained through having no grade 12. Sorry Joe....if you're not happy with your work, then don't do it. I'm not sympathizing with you....all of our jobs are tough, but more education = better jobs. So we better pray and encourage our Island teachers to do a great job at teaching our children so they can in turn get great jobs!

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    JOE
    - October 21, 2011 at 19:34:34

    Recognize their workload give me a break, when they have a workload maybe it would get recognized. here is an idea go to work 50 hours a week 50 weeks a year with 2 weeks holiday that isn't paid for and then we can talk about work load this article is sickening to people who actually have to WORK

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    Donnie
    - October 21, 2011 at 19:13:22

    Let's see, they work around 180 days of the year, and with tenure they may only be teaching two classes per day. They have every holiday and so called "storm" day off, summers off (understandibly) go with the occupation as well. They schedule their conventions and "personal development" for days that they could be teaching the pupils, as opposed to summers, Christmas Break, Easter Break, or Spring Break, or, God forbid, a long week-end. Starting pay is within 5% of that of a rookie RCMP officer, $48,000.00 for full time employment. I think the teacher's union has done a wonderful job of protecting their best interests thus far. I don't think they really want the public to "recognize their workload".

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  • Username
    I have a job
    - October 21, 2011 at 19:11:56

    Donnie, I realize that since you have probably never been able to hold a job yourself you have no idea what a teacher or any working person does, so until you can educate yourself on what a teacher's day entails please don't post on the topic again. By the way, bumming a ride to Tims for a double double and then hanging out at Confederation Centre Library posting comments does not constitute a job.

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