Economists say P.E.I. not on brink of financial ruin



Premier Robert Ghiz

Premier Robert Ghiz

Published on September 14, 2011
Published on September 14, 2011
Ryan Ross  RSS Feed
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Fraser Institute , Bank of Montreal , Dominion Bond Rating Service , P.E.I. , Manitoba

There have been dire predictions made about the Liberal government bringing the province to the brink of financial ruin, but are the critics right?

Jim Sentance, the economics chair at UPEI doesn't think so.

Sentance said P.E.I. is a have-not province so its finances are never going to look great and there have been several factors that haven't helped, such as the recession and changes to the federal equalization structure.

He agrees with Finance Minister Wes Sheridan's assessment that transfer payments are not the same as they were in the past because of changes to the formulas.

"He's right. That has happened and that's been a significant hit," he said.

The Liberals projected a $42.3 million deficit in their first budget, which they said was because the previous PC government overstated its revenues.

It has produced deficit budgets ever since, including one in the spring that projects a $42 million shortfall.

The Liberals have also added about $500 million to the provincial debt, which will reach more than $1.8 billion by the end of next year.

Sentance said one indicator of the state of P.E.I.'s finances is the debt to gross domestic product ratio, which was 41.1 per cent last year and took a large jump after going down for several years.

While that is a concern, there are other provinces that have higher ratios, he said.

"It's not to the point that we're in emergency territory."

Sentance said the province's debt financing costs as a percentage of the budget have dropped for most of the time the Liberals were in power and is almost at a historic low.

The danger is when the debt service charges start to impact on the province's ability to pay for things and the province managed under previous governments when the interest bite was much higher, Sentance said.

"They managed that level of debt payment without too much difficulty."

For Sentance, the trend the province has been on for the last few years is one he said it can't maintain for a long period of time, but deficits were necessary to get through the recession.

"There was no way they could have avoided deficit budgets over the last few years," he said.

Sentance said the Liberals have a plan to lower capital spending as well, which was a big part of the debt increase.

He also thinks the plan to balance the budget by keeping spending increases below the rate of increases in revenues is better than some of the plans he's heard in other jurisdictions.

"A bit of spending restraint and that should be doable in a few years," he said.

Sentance cautioned things could change if there is a double-dip recession, which would lead to a drop in revenues.

"If that happened that would probably delay balancing the budget," he said.

His assessment of the Liberal government's financial management was in line with what Bank of Montreal's chief economist Sherry Cooper said in June when she disagreed with the notion the government was spending its way to bankruptcy.

Bond raters Standard & Poor's and Dominion Bond Rating Service both maintained P.E.I.'s ratings this summer and were generally optimistic about the province’s finances.

Sonya Gulati, a TD Bank economist who specializes in regional finances, said all of the provinces had to deal with the same challenges, but P.E.I. Liberals outlined a plan to reach a balanced budget.

“I wouldn’t necessarily say things are out of control,” she said.

The debt as a portion of the GDP is high compared to other provinces and because the province is small it has limited revenues, she said.

There are challenges ahead, such as a reliance on transfer payments and a need to restrain health spending and Gulati said the government needs to review how it spends money.

“A careful review of program spending is certainly a must.”

Conservative think tank the Fraser Institute was more critical of Ghiz’s track record and ranked him last among provincial premiers for his fiscal management.

Former B.C. premier Gordon Campbell ranked first on the list that included several people who are no longer in office, including former New Brunswick Shawn Graham who has been out of office for almost a year.

Graham ranked seventh.

The Fraser Institute gave Ghiz an overall score of 27 out of 100 for his performance based on government spending, taxes, and debt and deficits from 2007-2011.

Some premiers were evaluated for longer periods of time while others had shorted periods, such as Manitoba Premier Greg Selinger who was only evaluated for 2010-2011.

Ghiz scored highest when it came to government spending and debt and deficits for both of which he ranked seventh.

He ranked ninth for taxes because P.E.I. had some of the highest corporate and personal income tax rates.

rross@theguardian.pe.ca

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  • Username
    No Good Option
    - September 15, 2011 at 12:05:42

    Ghiz and his team certainly aren't the brightest bunch when it comes to running an economy, but anyone who thinks Olive Crane is the answer is dreaming! She has no plan to back up any of her promises to strengthen the economy, or even an explanation of how she can afford to cut the PST so heavily and still pay for existing services. The reason she keeps hollering PNP is because she doesn't have to be very intelligent to do so! This is coming from a conservative!

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      Give Olive a Chance
      - September 16, 2011 at 00:09:03

      What a nasty unfounded comment. Olive Crane has plans to strengthen the economy - why don't you educate yourself? Good governance will take care of much of it. Under the Ghiz team hundreds of millions of dollars have been squandered or directed to a chosen few and you're worried about 20 mil? (20 mil btw is the estimated cost of cutting PST by 1% which is what Ms Crane has said - I wouldn't call that cutting so heavily. An additional 1% IF we can afford it) You may not be the individual who should be assessing other peoples' intelligence. Give Olive a chance. Vote PC

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    Garth Staples
    - September 15, 2011 at 12:04:54

    Economist: ' on the one hand and on the other hand'. Every Islander owes 16,000.00 of the provincial debt . A family of 4 owes 64, 000. The economy may not be in ruin but the taxpayers are pushed to the brink. Can the Guardian not find anyone to interview besides people with a Grit spin? Quite sad really.

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  • Username
    Seems a bit much
    - September 15, 2011 at 09:51:33

    we are the population size of some big city outskirt towns! we seem to waste a lot of money.

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    • Username
      Head Shaker
      - September 15, 2011 at 14:25:54

      Maybe you should giove up all services not supplied by a municipality. Then we'd be be comparing apples to apples.

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    CLOPPY
    - September 15, 2011 at 09:39:32

    My advice to the reader is to divide this article by Ryan Ross into four parts---- UPEI, BMO, TD, Fraser. Then read the article backwards. It flows much better this way and allows a better hierarchy of the factual over the subjective. Reading this piece this way will take you through numerical data on national performance rankings to slightly nervous fence sitting to shallow spin to outright propaganda and then finally, and most effectively for less attentive readers, the very political headline, with adjacent photo of good shot of Ghiz in front of Legislature, promoting the illusion of stability and competence. What photo would one select for the alternative, more directly factual, and less politically loaded headline for this story---- GHIZ GROWS DEBT BY 40%- I wonder??? Ahhhh now here is a good option, more fitting to the situation. I suggest the more haggard looking shot of our young first-term Premier included in the online version of the story-OTTAWA CALLS FOR PROBE IN PEI IMMIGRATION PROGRAM- in today's Globe and Mail.

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    • Username
      Forget the Facts
      - September 15, 2011 at 11:03:50

      Yes, let's put more weight on the CONSERVATIVE think tank and less into the independent banks, UPEI and even Standard and Poor. I am not pleased with this Ghiz government, but as long as the PC supporters remain as idiotic as they are and reject critical thinking, (by the way for the uneductated critical thinking means looking at evidence not being critical) I can never support that party. Why can't we have a strong third party on PEI????

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    mceachern
    - September 15, 2011 at 09:37:30

    Many island institutions have failed the public, including a judicial review, accountants review, privacy commissioner, Deputy minister Brooke MacMillan, the charlottetown CBC and the Guardian and certainly Upei economists. Forgive some as they know not what they do. The Globe and Mail has the headline today which many of us have longed for. The federal government has called in the RCMP and Canada Border Services. Ghiz is going to look really really bad but so will the patsy journalists kowtowing to Ghiz and his team of crooked libs.

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    Steve Thompson
    - September 15, 2011 at 09:36:51

    Here’s a quote from an interview with Provincial Treasurer Wes Sheridan broadcast three short hours before Standard & Poor’s downgraded the sovereign debt held by the United States government for the first time in many decades: “…we were worried that the debt ceiling wouldn’t be resolved, that’s been taken care of, the final vote went through, that’s been taken care of and now we’re seeing labour market numbers up a bit higher than expected…it’s showing that there doesn’t seem to be this double dip that everyone was worried about down there…” Hopefully, even Mr. Sheridan will now admit that his rather weak attempt to assure Islanders that the world economy was thriving and that the PEI economy would soon be benefiting from a strong economy south of the international border was misguided at best and disingenuous at worst. With annual interest payments on the debt in excess of $100 million annually, it is highly unlikely that Mr. Sheridan will ever balance PEI's budget.

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  • Username
    Spinning the Headline
    - September 15, 2011 at 09:36:17

    Depends of your defination of "bad". It is bad but it could be worse, It is bad, but not quite an emergency. Read this between the lines.

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    Fin Analyst
    - September 15, 2011 at 09:33:12

    Jim, as an economic chair of UPEI, do you believe being a "have-not" province is a good excuse for poor fiscal policy? Is the vision of getting out of "beggars" even in option in the minds of PEI economists? Do you believe this is impossible with only 140K of population? Do you also believe that PEI people should care only when we get to the brink of financial ruin?

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    John MacInnis
    - September 15, 2011 at 09:29:31

    Jim Sentance sounds like just another limousine liberal like Paul Krugman, the liberal economist who writes for the New York Times. I'm interested in what the stellar Fraser Institute has to say about the future of the Island's economy, not the verbal diarrhea of liberals who fantasize about a tax-and-spend panacea. Sentance isn't much of an economic chair when so many laypeople have superior economic skills, Sentance thinks Island proles should be happy existing on federal transfer payments., and I know that's not true at all. Islanders are just looking for opportunities to make their way through life, and that's tough to do for those who were born and raised on the Island.

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    Robert Rottluff
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:38:09

    Upon reading the optimistic economic prognostications of the good Dr. Sentance from UPEI, I was reminded of a famous line from another equally famous Canadian historian John Kenneth Galbraith who, in his book The Great Crash, wrote, "Economists, when they seek to be profound, often succeed only in being wrong." In the case of Dr. Sentance, Galbraith has hit the nail on the head.

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    mceachern
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:37:51

    Ghiz has racked up over 400 million in deficit debt, where is part 2 of the audit that was only half released?

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  • Username
    Senior
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:37:44

    Ranked last for fiscal management.Now he has a UPEI profer attempt to bail him out..Perhaps the professer should teach.What kind of recommendation would the Prof. give to the student who was last in his class?A glowing report it appears.

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    Meagwin
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:37:24

    I thought Ghiz would be seeking 3rd party help after the Fraiser Inst.report that placed him behind all other Premiers in the country.MacKinnon last weak Sentance this weak.Great to have know it alls in high places.In politics or horse races.LAST IS LAST>

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  • Username
    Islander
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:37:16

    another day with the Liberal Guardian...welcome to the island of Cub....I mean PEI

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  • Username
    You have to be joking
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:37:10

    The Guardian is the most one sided paper in the country-how many of these articles come from the fifth floor?

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  • Username
    Give Olive a Chance
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:37:01

    Is this an election ad? You forgot the "paid for by the Liberal Party of PEI" part. If its not an election ad what the heck is it? We're not on the brink of ruin...is that supposed to be news? My fellow islanders, if you hope to one day read even better news than we're not on the brink of ruin Give Olive a chance. Vote PC.

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  • Username
    Grasping at Straws
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:35:47

    So the Ghiz-ian,I mean Guardian, has taken a legitimate report, and found a couple of Ghiz supporters to spin the facts eh? I like how the article says "Conservative think tank" when referencing the Fraser Institute, to spin it as a political move, when the Premier who finished first on the list was Gordon Campbell; hardly considered conservative. Try some actual reporting instead of towing the propaganda line for, quite possibly, THE most wasteful government in the history of Prince Edward Island.

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    Sylvia
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:35:11

    I find this very hard to swallow. It looks like more damage control after Frasier Institute ranked Ghiz worst fiscal manager. It seems to me that the Guardian is pushing very hard to get Ghiz re-elected. When I see all the money that's been wasted by this government, I'm not as optimistic as Jim Sentance.

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    SOS
    - September 14, 2011 at 23:35:01

    "It's not to the point that we're in emergency territory." YET. We are not on the doorstep of financial ruin today. Wow now that's confidence - we're bad, but not as bad as we can get before absolute ruin. Do we have four more years of these people mismanaging our finances. I say One Term is lot's.!

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