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'You ain't seen nothing yet': Stogran



Retired colonel Pat Stogran, a veteran and ombudsman for Veterans Affairs Canada, is in Charlottetown this week. Guardian photo

Retired colonel Pat Stogran, a veteran and ombudsman for Veterans Affairs Canada, is in Charlottetown this week.

Published on August 20th, 2010
Published on August 19th, 2010
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Veterans Affairs Canada , Department of Veterans Affairs , Canadian Forces , Charlottetown , Afghanistan , P.E.I.

“You ain’t seen nothing yet.’’

Those were the words from retired colonel Pat Stogran on Thursday, refusing to back down from his emotional appeal in front of the national media earlier this week.

Stogran is in Charlottetown this week, promising to do his best as the ombudsman for Veterans Affairs Canada to see that veterans are treated better than they have been.

In an interview with The Guardian Thursday afternoon, Stogran vowed to step up the tempo and the rhetoric that has been making headlines across the country since the federal government told him more than a week ago his three-year contract was not going to be renewed after it runs out in three months.

Stogran said he doesn’t have a problem with individuals at the Department of Veterans Affairs headquarters in Charlottetown. It’s the system and the bureaucracy he has a problem with.

“It’s the long-standing practices, the failure of things to move up the chain, the insensitivity at the highest levels and I’m not talking about the elected officials, I’m talking about the central agencies, the senior bureaucrats,’’ Stogran said. “The rank and file are very proud of the work they do and they’re a little upset that I would be talking so harshly about them.’’

P.E.I. Senator Percy Downe said Thursday it’s not the relocation of the department — as has been speculated of late but flatly rejected by federal Veterans Affairs Minister Jean-Pierre Blackburn — that is the issue but the continuing reduction in services to veterans and their families.

“If the minister continues with his proposal to reduce the number of employees in the department, this will only compound the problem,’’ Downe said. “The main concern I continue to hear from veterans has to do with the decline in the quality of services they are receiving from the department.’’

Stogran said the possibility the 1,200-employee headquarters. The federal minister said the speculation about moving out of the P.E.I. capital were not true.

The government sends troops into harm's way. If you are not going to treat them right when they come back don't send them over there to begin with - Ombudsman for Veterans Affairs Canada Pat Stogran

Lee said Blackburn also addressed the review in Wednesday’s letter.

“That review is simply to address the issue of evaluating how they are servicing the veterans and how they can possibly better provide service to the veterans,’’ Lee said. “Quite frankly, the internal review, to me, is a positive move.’’

Still, in an interview The Guardian did with Blackburn when he was in Charlottetown, the minister did not deny that downsizing was an option.

Lee said he isn’t worried about downsizing.

“This review presents the opportunity to look at their operation, look at how they’re doing their jobs and (find out) if there’s a better way of serving the veterans. I’m not the least bit concerned about downsizing or anything else. I think, quite frankly, the review will sustain the department long term.’’

P.E.I. Senator Percy Downe said he is worried about downsizing.

“I hear from many, many veterans they have problems accessing benefits,’’ Downe said.

“If you reduce the number of employees, veterans will not be able to get the services they require.’’

Charlottetown mayoral candidate Philip Brown said he sympathizes with Cundell, saying it can be frustrating dealing with bureaucracy.

“I understand (Cundell’s) frustration,’’ Brown said.

“In the past, I have made requests to the Canada Revenue Agency and it took me, minimum, two weeks to get the right person.’’

In terms of possible downsizing, Brown said it doesn’t make sense to cut the department at its core.

 

dstewart@theguardian.pe.ca

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    Spudgal
    - August 22nd, 2010 at 00:17:47

    I applaud Mr. Stogran's efforts and fortitude. I know my dear departed father is also applauding him. He served during WWII as a Seargeant. He enlisted in the army at twenty four years of age. He served overseas including the front lines. When he returned he was denied his pension. Despite many visits w/ VA Doctors and forms they insisted his health problems were not related to his military service. Due to assistance from a group of Veterans, he was offered the Burnt Out Pension in the late sixties. He left us at the young age of 57 yrs. and spent most of those years in misery n hospitals due to his health problems. But even when he could barely walk he never missed a Remembrance Day Parade. He said he would honour his comrades as long as he could stand up. We still don’t know why his pension was denied. I have nothing but compassion and gratitude for all our Veterans who served in all wars and our Active Military Members serving today who are fighting enemies that aren't even visible. To realize our military members are encountering the same problems today that were present during the 1940's is truly disheartening. Our current military members and all our Veterans deserve much more for the sacrifices they made and are still making on our behalf today. All Canadians need to speak out on their behalf and on behalf of those who have gone before them.

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    Marlies Loehde
    - August 21st, 2010 at 19:22:27

    I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS A VETERAN OF WORLD WAR 2. HE CERTAINLY WAS NOT SUFFERING FROM MISTREATMENT BY VETERANS AFFAIRS. A FEW YEARS BACK HE RECEIVED A LARGE INCREASE TO HIS MONTHLY PENSION, AND RECEIVED $30,000 in a chegue up front. HE RECEIVED FULL MEDICAL, DENTAL ETC. BENEFITS. I as a single women of 82 years don't receive these benefits. I AM TIRED OF LISTENING TO THIS COL. STOGRAN LIP OFF CONTINUALLY, AND HE WAS HIRED FOR 3 years. only. HIS SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT IS OVERDONE. Marlies Loehde

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    True Liberal
    - August 21st, 2010 at 19:21:58

    It may be more efficient to move veteran affairs to existing WSIB/CPP system then?

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    Islander
    - August 21st, 2010 at 19:21:18

    I'm not suggesting in any way, shape or form there isn't any problems for veterans and such but why is this guy only making it his mission now to change things? He was on the job for how many years to look out for the veterans when they had no one to turn to and is only deciding to now "do his best as the ombudsman for Veterans Affairs Canada to see that veterans are treated better than they have been" because he is being let go from his job. This should have been his mission from day one and not only when he is in the position of losing his job and doing it out of spite. I agree with everyone when they say veterans deserve better.

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    Chelle.B
    - August 21st, 2010 at 16:10:29

    Re: Veterans share stories of being shortchanged, Aug. 18 It was no surprise to hear the comments that were recently made to our veterans’ ombudsman, Pat Stogran. I heard something very similar three years ago. I am a soldier’s mom who fought long and hard for my son and his fight for help. I did come forward, I spoke to the media, I testified in Parliament and yet no one would publicly report what I had heard. I was told that the hope was that soldiers with PTSD would commit suicide and no one would know about it. Or the other option would be that they would become addicts with no credibility, and end up on the streets, where no one cares and no one knows them. That, people, was three years ago and apparently nothing has changed. The only difference is that then I was just a civilian mom, and who would believe me, as opposed to our revered military? But now the arrogance has become so prevalent that it can even be expressed to someone such as Stogran. We as Canadians have allowed this to happen. Our soldiers and our country deserve better. We deserve more of the truth and more accountability. We need to take a hard look at ourselves and see what we have become, and what we have allowed. Pat Stogran is telling the truth and what are we as Canadians going to do about it? Just wearing a poppy and having a minute of silence once a year is not enough. It appears that being known as a tolerant country is now hurting our own sons and daughters, because by tomorrow it will all be forgotten anyway. And that is what the government counts on.Ann LeClair, Sarnia http://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters/article/850250--soldiers-and-country-deserve-better

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    Browney
    - August 21st, 2010 at 16:10:17

    Our Armed Forces men & women are fightng Terrorists in a Foreign Country, for Afghans to have Rights while at home when They come back to Canada with psyc & physical disabilties, Their Rights & their Familes Rights are being violated, even denied. I say that makes our government politicians & bureaucrats a pack of hypocrites. Wouldn't You? Our Armed Forces are laying down their Lives so Afghans will have a better, cleaner government that protects Their people's democratic Rights in A country that is the biggest supplier of Opium-Heroin in the world-HA, like that's going to ever happen. Not likely. F.Y.I= If your just an everyday, common person- UNLESS YOU have deep pockets for a lawyer and You somehow get real lucky that Your case is heard by an honest judge Who's not beholding to the government and who's Only reason for Sitting On The Bench is for in case they're ever needed by the people who put them there, You & Your Family DON'T have any Rghts either. Sounds like This Commentor "Haywoods oversimplification " knows that too.

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    dickcash
    - August 21st, 2010 at 16:09:27

    Hello,? Writer? Who is "Lee" seems important to the story.

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    Marie
    - August 20th, 2010 at 19:31:04

    WE DO OWE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS. WHEN THEY ARE HURT, THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT...PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY AND FINANCIALLY. ANY FOOL THAT SAYS ANY DIFFERENT MUST WORK FOR THE DVA OR OUR CASH STRAPPED (LOL) GOVERNMENT

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    Haywoods oversimplification
    - August 20th, 2010 at 12:25:54

    Yes Haywood that would solve it all. Nobody signs up. Just like you should not expect if you get injured on your job that you receive any compensation from WCB, Social Assistance or EI. Veteran's Affairs is the WCB for the Military and even though the career is voluntary the job location sites are picked out by the elected officials of the Government of Canada who are elected by its citizens. On the same level as your comment, Do not want the military personnel receiveing benefits stop all humanitarian aid inititatives and Wars. See simple!

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    gar
    - August 20th, 2010 at 12:24:38

    It is good to see the colonel defending veterans against the VA having dealt with them over the years ,they have a way of exhausting through paperwork ,demands and appeals and many of us give up.the only caution I would suggest do not put the blame only on the present government as the problem has been around for a long time.This will make him look like liberal sycophant and it will then look more political than compassionate Also the colonel is starting to look more like this is a personal vendetta between him and veterans affairs who no doubt played a big part in his dismissal.The Colonel is slowly starting to look like his interest in veterans may have his own interest paramount This will then start to fall on deaf ears

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    RTD EX - VET
    - August 20th, 2010 at 11:09:16

    It is not the elected officials??? I beg to differ. The only thing most elected officials are concerned about is getting reelected, not their constituents and not the vets. As a third generation vet I know my grandfather and uncles were always fighting for the rights of veterans and I am continuing in the same vein almost one hundred years later . Ultimately it is the elected officials who are responsible but most are so concerned about themselves and their career in politics (should only server two terms, after that they become self serving) they only pretend to be interested. Our political system has become so disconnected you have to submit your full name and address for a security check before you can see the Prime Minister. You can't ask questions unless the question has been approved. Is that what our vets are fighting for ...I don't think. I am sorry Col. but it is the responsibility of our elected officials and every Canadian citizen. Until the politicians become more accountable to the electorate you might as well be p.....g in the wind! It is like everything these days,. our politicians and bureaucrats are so concerned with infrastructure and careers that they have no money left over to deliver the programs.

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    Haywood
    - August 20th, 2010 at 11:08:11

    we don't have conscription in our forces, its voluntary,you choose the career you want, no one is holding a gun to your head to join.Would you get a job that you fear one day you will not be compensated for if you get injured, or worse yet killed??Maybe if we had less people signing up for that reason the government would rethink their policies?

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      Chris Collier
      - August 20th, 2010 at 15:46:23

      No we don't have conscription because there are enough brave young Canadians that volunteer to join the Armed Forces. But they are told from day one that they will get compensated for injuries. But when it comes time to actually claim for job related injuries, it becomes another fight for them. It seems most applicants get turned down on their first application, then fight for compensation, then get inadequate compensation and have to fight again to get the compensation they deserve. From my point of view it was like the DVA hoped I would get tired of fighting them before I actually got the compensation I deserved.

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    Jocelyne Lloyd
    - August 20th, 2010 at 09:42:25

    Hi Eve, Thanks for your eagle eyes: we've made the correction. The name is spelled correctly in today's print edition of The Guardian, so clearly the unedited version of the story got accidentally posted. Thanks again for the head's up! Jocelyne Lloyd, web editor

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    Eve
    - August 20th, 2010 at 09:32:11

    Quick correction, it's spelled "Stogran".

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