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Hospital launches investigation after woman suffers miscarriage in waiting room



The Queen Elizabeth Hospital, the Island’s largest referral hospital, has launched a full investigation after a woman was forced to experience a miscarriage in the hospital’s packed emergency department waiting room. Guardian file photo

The Queen Elizabeth Hospital, the Island’s largest referral hospital, has launched a full investigation after a woman was forced to experience a miscarriage in the hospital’s packed emergency department waiting room.

Published on July 29th, 2010
Published on July 28th, 2010
Wayne Thibodeau RSS Feed
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Queen Elizabeth Hospital , Prince County Hospital , P.E.I. Nurses Union , Summerside , P.E.I.

The P.E.I. government committed nearly $1 million for additional staff at the newly-opened emergency department, but The Guardian has confirmed that, to date, not a single position has been filled.

The hospital also didn’t get approval to hire the staff it felt it needed to operate the new emergency room. The $1 million figure fell “well short” of what the hospital said it needed, sources say.

Furthermore, there are nine nursing position currently being advertised for the Queen Elizabeth Hospital.

None of the jobs posted are for the emergency department.

Of the 37 patients rooms in the new emergency department, some of them remain shut because the hospital doesn’t have the staff to operate them.

Health Minister Carolyn Bertram was asked why she would approve the opening of the new emergency department when none of the new positions have been filled.

This is what she had to say: “We were very pleased to see the facility open in mid-June. Certainly, the facility offers a much better environment for everyone compared to the older one.”

Bertram said she hoped the new positions would be filled as soon as possible. She also wouldn’t comment on why the province did not approve the staff compliment the hospital requested.

“We are very committed to the QEH and the emergency department there,” she said.

 

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    Laura Quebbemann
    - August 3rd, 2010 at 23:19:45

    My condolences to the Handrahans. I am sorry for your loss.

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    Ron
    - August 3rd, 2010 at 17:06:38

    OMG! Is this what government run health care is like????!!!! Now the US is going to "Obamacare". What a mess & I'll bet here is no recourse against the hospital ether.

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    Ron
    - August 3rd, 2010 at 17:06:36

    OMG! Is this what government run health care is like????!!!! Now the US is going to "Obamacare". What a mess & I'll bet here is no recourse against the hospital ether.

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    Marie Buskell
    - August 1st, 2010 at 09:43:55

    I had to take my Down Syndrome sister to the " great improved" QEH in June for an EEG. The fire alarm was going off and all the hospital staff were standing in the hallways - they couldn't go back to work until the fire department gave the all clear.Meanwhile, the tech and LPN with my sister decided it was safe enough to take my sister in WITHOUT the all clear and began testing WHILE the fire department was doing their check. When the tech asked what my issue was, I stated that the all clear had not been given and my concern was my sister... not their test . How dare he imply my down syndrome sister is less important than anyone else in a fire drill situation. Showed me that the staff has no regard for patient safety!!! Turned me right off of "the new and improved QEH. Maybe it's time for some "NEW AND IMPROVED STAFF TRAINING FOR ALL MEDICAL/CAREGIVERS ON PEI" You're suppose to help and cure people...not jeopardize lives.

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    babanne
    - July 31st, 2010 at 07:54:49

    The wait & service at the QEH is horrible - I had a friend in the QEH and it took them a month to finally find out what her problems was and correct it. It seems that with the rotation of the Dr's & Nurses, the patient is not getting their needs met, and there does not seem to be a follow-up when a new Dr. comes on shift, hence, no one is really looking at or finding out the problem with the patient. My friend did not have to be in the hospital for that length of time because as soon as the problem was solved and after a few days she was released. There definitely has to be more time taken to really find out what the problem is with the patient.

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      Kel
      - July 31st, 2010 at 10:12:57

      This happened to me as well 10 years ago. I knew that I was having a miscarriage and proceeded to a packed waiting room at the QEH. Was triaged quickely and told to wait in the waiting room. Well I waited and waited and waited quietly morning the impending loss of my baby among many strangers. I kept asking the nurses when could I see the doctor they told me as soon as they had a room, that there were 2 other ladies who were also having miscarriages, that were occupying the rooms. After 7 or 8 hours I am not quite sure exactly how long, but I did get finally get to see the doctor, only to be rushed into a room examined, the doctor stated that yes, I had had a miscarriage, this type of thing happens to 1 in 4 pregnancies and told to go home. Don't be fooled people this is not something new, it has been happening for quite some time, it just took this brave couple to bring it to light.

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    CJ
    - July 30th, 2010 at 15:42:07

    No where in this article does it say that the miscarriage happened because of the long wait time. The article is about how she was left in the packed waiting room to experience it in public and that there was no compassion shown to her. The nurses may be over worked as well as the doctors and in no way is the miscarriage their fault but they way she was treated is! Even is she had to wait to be seen by a nurse or doctor she should have been takin into a room so she and her husband could have some privacy.

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    Mack Knife
    - July 30th, 2010 at 13:10:04

    Who is doing this investigation? Oh the fox is investigating the chickens! Nice spin QEH, that took a lot of thought. too many horror stories folks, Cant believe you people blaming the victim, you think she WANTED to be there? Whether she would have lost the baby or not, IS NOT the point! Crap service is the point, If you were too busy to see her, too under-staffed, What was it you were doing? It happens way too often to be the victims fault all the time

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    anothermom
    - July 30th, 2010 at 08:46:33

    My heart goes out to this couple. I lost a baby to the same fate only 2 years ago, but now have a beautiful 12 month old baby! As unfortunate as this situation is, the fact is that the baby was already gone and there was most likely nothing that could have been done. I know that sounds harsh, but I carried my deceased baby for 3 weeks before we even knew there was something wrong. I wonder if this young woman had seen an OBGYN, or called L & D or the OBGYN office, because she would have been told the proper thing to do...(not emerg) I hope that this couple can get the help that they need to move on and are blessed with another child.

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    Amy Argent
    - July 30th, 2010 at 08:10:16

    This is disgusting. Shame on the QEH!

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    horror story
    - July 30th, 2010 at 08:06:37

    This is just one horror story that has come to the public. Can you imagine how many times something on this bad of a scale happens and know one hears of it??? Shame on the QEH. People on this province deserve better health care. I don't know how it is even possible to defend the ER here????

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    Lady S
    - July 29th, 2010 at 20:31:45

    I an very sorry for the couples loss of their first child, but making this story public in the local newspaper makes it even more difficult for them to cope with the loss. As well, the Guardian should have used aliases for the people so that they could privatly mourn their loss. I feel that the couple should have been looked at promptly by the ER. Any women heavily bleeding (other than having her menstral cycle) should be taken in right away. But I also agree with "Sorry for you loss." The couple should have went to Labor and Delivery, seeing as how those people in that unit deal with those issues and could better treat her.

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      cc
      - August 1st, 2010 at 17:17:41

      The hospital needs to have a drop in clinic the same as the Dr's. private drop in clinics and when the triage nurse in the emergency room interviews the patient and determines the seriousness of the individual in front of them, she then can direct them to the HOSPITAL drop in clinic if that is where they should be, therefore eliminating the non emergencies and freeing up waiting times in the emergency room.

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    cdm
    - July 29th, 2010 at 20:01:00

    FACT TOO MANY POLITICIANS NOT ENOUGH HOSPITAL WORKERS i defy anyone to say this is wrong !!!!

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      C.McGrattan
      - August 4th, 2010 at 11:26:27

      well said CDM... perhaps the "people" (lack of Dr's and Nurses employed) should be seriously considered before you all decide to give yourself another significant raise

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    From the West
    - July 29th, 2010 at 20:00:20

    1) To all those people who think we should be closing PCH and having one large hospital -- care to rethink? 2) Although I have received good care from the QEH Emerg in the past -- I to have had to wait many times and found that their triage system is one of the most dignity stripping, unprivate, uncaring models ever! Surely one of the rooms that they were bragging about last month could have been used to let this family grieve in private.

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    Sorry for your Loss
    - July 29th, 2010 at 19:34:17

    So sorry for your loss , I have had 3 children all grown now but when I was pregnant with my first child my OBGYN told me if I ever had any problems to go to Labor and Delivery not the Emergency Dept. as they are better equipped to deal with any issues I may have .I always remembered that my daughter had her daughter a year ago but we made 2 or 3 trips to Labor and Delivery during her pregnancy they were awesome never once did they make lite out of the fact that she went. I suggest to all women pregnant if you are having issues DO NOT GO TO EMERG they are too busy and you need the unconditional care that Labor and Delivery will give you. Again I am so sorry for your loss. I know going to Emerg is very frustrating which is why I truly have to have an emergency before I even go near the place I absolutely hate going there and though it may seem there are alot of people there without emergency there are all so alot of people who do not have a regular doctor which is part of the problem.

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    Sorry for your Loss
    - July 29th, 2010 at 19:34:10

    So sorry for your loss , I have had 3 children all grown now but when I was pregnant with my first child my OBGYN told me if I ever had any problems to go to Labor and Delivery not the Emergency Dept. as they are better equipped to deal with any issues I may have .I always remembered that my daughter had her daughter a year ago but we made 2 or 3 trips to Labor and Delivery during her pregnancy they were awesome never once did they make lite out of the fact that she went. I suggest to all women pregnant if you are having issues DO NOT GO TO EMERG they are too busy and you need the unconditional care that Labor and Delivery will give you. Again I am so sorry for your loss. I know going to Emerg is very frustrating which is why I truly have to have an emergency before I even go near the place I absolutely hate going there and though it may seem there are alot of people there without emergency there are all so alot of people who do not have a regular doctor which is part of the problem.

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      lynn
      - July 30th, 2010 at 08:08:33

      my heart goes out to the couple ,so sorry,i do know this ,people are quick to judge our hospital,its a very sad thing that happened yes for sure,i also know some of our best drs. are at the queen E hospital emergency room,,my care there has been the very best,sometimes its hard to get past SOME of the nurses, not all but some,im so sorry you were not taking in immediately,they need to be more attentive and compassionate of the patients that come thru the door,from past experince the problems with that hospital, is a majority of the nurses,i beleive its the care of the admitting when u come in ,that poses more of a problem, the drs at our hospital deserve much praise and mostly all they get is no appreciation,again so sorry for your loss god be with you ,and god bless

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    Denzil
    - July 29th, 2010 at 19:33:01

    First my condolences to the couple to go through this, I hope you will experience your moment later on and remember things happen for a reason. Now on to why it happened, remember our budgets are stretched thin why in the past few days I have seen where more money is needed for piping plovers, we just took in 19 refugees from somewhere you can bet your bottom dollar they are not waiting in a clinic to be checked although they have never paid a penny in taxes, People moving home from the states, never paid a cent in taxes now they are looking for free medical care, Robert Ghiz and his men have put their money into bricks and mortar and no thought to who will staff the buildings. Certainly with Carolyn (the beautiful and I need more makeup) at the helm of this we can only see more fiascos, Islanders and Canadians money need to be spent in a rational way and that will on;ly be accomplished by people who have served in the health care field , not someone who has a doctorate or a degree by sitting in a university with no life experience. It is amazing to me that our Premiers wife works in out patients( and is competent) and he thinks all is well, c,mon Rob and Kate lets have some pillow talk and he may yet recover to lead again. Beats me why we pay to have Cirque Soule come to town when we have our government.

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    Tim
    - July 29th, 2010 at 18:04:24

    What's interesting in stories that involve individual people and the QEH is that there is only one side of the story. The hospital is bound by confidential rules/laws and can not really tell their side of the story, and we all know there are two sides to every story. For people who have actually experienced a true "emergency" you know that you get nothing but the best care possible. For those who wait 10 plus hours to be seen you should be asking yourself "do I really need to be sitting in the ER?" Most times the answer would be no. People often believe what they are experiencing to be an emergency and that is just not the case in the majority of situations. You need to ask your self is there a threat to life or limb...if the answer is no expect to wait!

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    JD
    - July 29th, 2010 at 18:03:21

    Since when does our health care system not recognize a life after 9 weeks? Does the life of a 9 week old fetus not matter anymore? I am outright DISGUSTED with the QEH that they would jut ignore a person like this. Not only was this just one person, but the lives of three people have been changed forever, because of the carelessness of the EH

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    moma333
    - July 29th, 2010 at 16:18:06

    DID I NOT READ A NEW LIQUOR STORE OPENED IN STRATFORD.SHAME ,SHAME.

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    Jess
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:55:23

    I am very sorry for the woman who experienced this but if you think about it, a miscarriage is a miscarriage and it would have happened anywhere. It was most likely already in progress before she got there. Its not the staffs fault. Although they could be a little more compantionate at times.

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      peimom
      - July 29th, 2010 at 18:02:48

      I have read this article a few times and I am not really seeing it as a blame thing . I agree that most times a miscarriage can not be stopped but I see this as a issue of why couldnt they been offered some type of privacy for when they were going through it . That must of been soooooo hard . I am sooooooo sorry this has happened . Hopefully something good will come out of something so sad !!

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      B
      - July 29th, 2010 at 18:02:23

      I think if people read the article they would see what happened. The husband went back and asked for help. All they wanted was a little compassion. Is it too much for people to have privacy when terrible things are happening. A fancy ER doesn't make a better ER. The comment from the lady is right. Maybe these cases should be sent to labor and delivery.

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      joe
      - July 29th, 2010 at 16:17:48

      Jess, we will never know if your speculations have any merit because the bare minimum of care as outlined in The Canada Health Act was not met in this instance. My condolences to Mike and Christine Handrahan. Thank you for speaking out.

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      joe
      - July 29th, 2010 at 16:17:58

      Jess, we will never know if your speculations have any merit because the bare minimum of care as outlined in The Canada Health Act was not met in this instance. No medical diagnosis or care was received at QEH at all. But hey, let's blame the victims anyway. Disgusting. Right now, the health care system in PEI disgusts me. Can we promote that on American TV? My condolences to Mike and Christine Handrahan. Thank you for speaking out. I know its not easy at this time.

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    Tracey Ford
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:40:24

    Having posted a comment on this story this morning and having read comments from other readers I feel so annoyed at this situation that had to take place. My point is that I fought to have the situation changed when someone was having problems during pregnancy they were to be sent to labor and delivery and I had been assured this policy was put in place. Doctors and nurses in the emergency department are not trained to deal with these issues. As someone else commented you are crushed at the loss of a baby and they put you in Unit 4 where all the parents are so proud and excited at the birth of their baby and your heart is crushed. Islanders do not have any say in the health system, I am so disappointed that the battle I fought which was so important to me, was basically laughed at as nothing has changed in 14 years. Have some compassion, until you have lost a baby you do not know how it feels. As always the government does things there way and the taxpayers have to put up with it or too bad. I certainly hope there is a full investigation into this matter and I would be the first in line to speak my part. Obviously nothing was accomplished 14 years ago and probably will not be after this situation.

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    MT POCKETS
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:30:13

    So very sorry for this young family. I was in QEH, ER that day from 7am (8 or so people in waiting room) to when I was able to leave at 8:30 PM. tHIS WAS 13.5 HRSof shere pain and unacceptable practices . Do you know (at that time) you could not even get a free drink of water, as there were no drinking fountains. You could however buy a bottle of water from a machine for $2.75. People are scared to leave the ER area to go to the caferteria or coffee shop to get food or drink as, if they leave this area for what ever reason and there name is called out for treatment and then they miss there chance to see a doctor , after waiting for 4-14 hrs. Has to a better way. While there that day, I saw a man lieing on the floor in sever pain . No nurse came to his assistance either .I have 3 kidney stones going on, I knew this going in. What I needed was a shot of something to get some kind of relief. What I got from the over worked Dr wasthat an CT would be done. I think that the Canadian Hospital Acrediation Assocition shoule be requested to reasses this facility , as I don,t think it is meeting the min standards of Care. They are trying , but this faclity was opened with out all of their ducks in a row.

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    LOST POINT
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:28:55

    It appears that many of the commentators have missed the point. Granted the wait times are ridiculous and there are many people who still use the emergency room as a clinic (not acceptable) but this poor lady wasn't even complaining about the doctor not seeing her. She is aware, by the sounds of the story I read, that this was happening regardless but they could have at least given the woman one of those empty rooms in this fancy new emergency dept to lay down in. I understand having to follow procedures we all have jobs that require us to follow procedures but COME ON show a little compassion for your fellow human beings and if the procedures don't make sense QUESTION THEM.....it is the only way to fix something you know.

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    Jayne
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:27:46

    Very unfortunate for this family, but at the same time.. was there a mess on the floor? Was this lady screaming in pain and putting up a stink? This happens all the time and people do sit in the waiting room while having a miscarriage.. I highly doubt she sat there in a pool of blood and no one did anything... come one people.. your negative comments are terrible. No one should be fired.. nor will they ever win a case, its a natural thing that happens every day.. yeesh.. Also, commenting on The Ghiz's is quite low. If you wern't there in the waiting room at the time... I don't think anyone really knows what happened and to point the finger is just awful..

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    Amanda
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:27:28

    Similar thing happened to me three years ago in Kingston, ON at KGH. I was kept waiting for seven hours with symptoms of a miscarriage in the ER before they finally bothered to get a ultrasound done and tell me I lost my baby. I was 12 weeks along. I was pretty much ignored during that time. I have no idea why they couldn't do the ultrasound earlier and get it over with. They didn't do it until I started to lose it and had a melt down. The nurse seemed surprised that I was crying. I felt like I was in the twilight zone. That's not how you treat a women who's fearing she's lost her baby. They took it very lightly and wondered who the hell these people were working in the ER that night? It was tortuous to endure.

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    Jamie Gallant
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:26:08

    This story dies not mention if the patient went back to the nurse to update her condition. There are some gaps here. The writer leads the reader to believe that she miscarried because of her wait. She would have miscarried whether she was at home, in her car or in the QEH ER. Did she or her husband go up to the triage nurse after waiting for a bit to let the nurse now that the bleeding was getting worse? If not how was the triage nurse to know what was going on? Sometimes the ER staff need updates on your status in the waiting room. They don't have the ability to read minds.

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    Carolyn
    - July 29th, 2010 at 14:24:53

    I agree, time to go Carolyn. Embarrassment

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    phyllis wedge
    - July 29th, 2010 at 13:11:09

    My condolences to this young couple for their loss. I too am suffering from a recent loss that I blame on the triage department at the QEH. My mother recently passed after waiting in the emergency area for three hours. She was treated very coldly by the triage nurse, who had no time to even be polite, but all kinds of concern for a nice looking young man with a bad toe. My mother's condition changed from coughing mucus to bringing up blood an hour after our arrival and still no one looked at her. I was told to let them know if it continued. After three hours of waiting I told the same nurse that she was getting weaker and needed help. I asked how much longer this would take and she told me it would be another three to four hours. There were two ambulances in and they had priority. If an elderly lady with pain in her chest, cold chills, spewing blood is not considered an emergency, I don't know what is. If you have suffered a loss similar to mine please call me because I really believe if we all come together we will get the results needed to make a difference. My name is Phyllis Wedge and my phone number is 672 4014.

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      William Evans
      - July 29th, 2010 at 14:29:06

      The secret to fast service at any emerg is to arrive in an AMBULANCE. If you are having severe chest pain and a family history of heart disease and your doctor recommends going to emerg CALL EMS!

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    Joe Blow
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:44:31

    I can't wait to see who Ghiz and his buddies in Government are going to place the blame on for this mishap. Then again....Islanders are apparently SPOILED with the great healthcare we receive.....according to Mr Ghiz!! I have a funny feeling that he might want to retract that statement and actually do something about the Healthcare problems that Islanders face everyday. Nobody cares if the Murphy's make big money off the tourists that came here for Regis and Kelly.....nobody cares if we have more liquor stores, but people care about their families the their lives.....and that is whats at jeopardy here.....the lives and well-being of the people of PEI who voted Ghiz into power, thinking that he would do what is best for Islanders. Boy were we wrong for voting for that moron and his rich, snobby friends in government.

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      Kristin
      - July 29th, 2010 at 14:25:51

      I am absolutely appalled at this situation and my heart goes out to Christine and her husband Michael. I think our government needs to take a long hard look at our medicare. I have three small children and have made many visits to the emergency room with them and have seen people left sitting in the waiting room throwing up in dishes the nurses have given them to one poor older gentleman who actually was bleeding from his head quite heavily. After wating numerous hours to finally make it back to the actual rooms where we were told to wait for the doctor, we listened to and witnessed many nurses and doctors standing around out in the hall chatting, laughing and carrying on. I think these "medical professionals" need to work a little harder on how they come across to patients waiting to be seen and maybe try to be a little more professional. I also think that in the case of Christine and her husband, the nurse in triage should be fired as well as our Health minister and Mr. Ghiz need to make a public apology to these poor people. This will in no way make up for their terrible loss but now is when changes need to be made!

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    BigFrog
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:43:11

    GOOD GRIEF!! Soooooooo, what is the big news here! 8 years ago my wife was at the QEH Emerg and they informed her she was having a miscarriage and just to go home and let it pass. She had no empathy from the staff, just a snood comment and sent on her way. This isn't the first time that this has happened as we know. So what is the big deal about it now!! Looks fishy to me!!

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    Islander
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:42:55

    The triage nurse, should (at the very least) be fired. We might as well lose a nurse as have someone that incompetent sitting at the desk. They couldn't even find that poor woman a chair in a quiet hallway so she could lose her baby in private! She had to do it in front of a crowd. "Where is the outrage?" someone above asked. Good question. If you're angry, start working the phones and complain until you're blue in the face. Nothing will come of this. The hospital will do an "investigation" and they'll make a big announcement about how it's not their fault that they're under-staffed (or that some of their staff is clearly incompetent). They'll blame it all on the government. Then the government will talk about launching some new initiative to recruit more doctors, but it'll all just blow over and they won't actually do anything. Here's a thought. When Mr. Ghiz and his Dr. missus had their baby, did they have to wait like the rest of us peasants or were they walzed right in to the presidential suite?

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    Mell
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:41:24

    This is inexcusable for this young woman to be ignored when they knew she was pregnant and bleeding- common sense tells you it could be a miscarriage. Having a successful law suit against the hospital will not bring back the infant she was carrying, but I sure hope that she gets a large settlement from it. Good luck and keep positive!

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      anne raymond
      - July 29th, 2010 at 18:03:53

      I feel very sorry for these people, as this was their first baby.

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    Sarah
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:41:15

    Although I feel sympathy for the Handrahans due to their loss, I want to point out that she did NOT have a miscarriage because of the long wait time. I have suffered a miscarriage, and any doctor will tell you that if it's going to happen, it's going to happen, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. It had likely already happened inside her womb before arriving at the hospital. I had a miscarriage 6 weeks after my baby stopped developing, and I had no idea what had been happening inside my womb for those 6 weeks. I do agree that opening this ER was a poor decision, based on staff availability, wait times, etc......but it should not be blamed for this family's miscarriage. It was going to happen regardless of how soon she got in to see a doctor.

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    unreal
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:40:31

    I don't understand how the QEH can be under staffed and positions not filled. Has any one been to an LCC location in the past 3 years. They hire staff for jobs that are not posted. Get rid of some the slack jaws leaning on the counters and use the money to hire full time Drs. and nurses. I always thought health care was an essential service ,not slinging booze.Too many fools at the trough when Islanders' needs are not being met. Come on Robbie.

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      BMac
      - July 29th, 2010 at 14:29:29

      As an LCC employee, I agree 100%. I'll admit to leaning on counters etc. My store is so over employed is scary. And yes these jobs are not posted. I really want to transfer the QEH, whether it be a porter, cleaning staff, or in the kitchen (as I am 1/2 way thru UPEI) I feel I could be of more use and help people instead of serving booze.

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    Black Dog
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:40:19

    The most outrageous things is that they have well over 20 medical rooms out back beyond the waiting/triage area. Why couldn't they relocate this woman into one of those rooms? I do believe it is going to take one of the Provincial Government members (maybe Mr. Ghiz himself) to require going to the emergency department for some reason and having to wait 5-10 hours to see a doctor. Once the people that have the power to make things happen have to deal with this personally, then maybe things will change!

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    Stephen
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:39:24

    This place is just going completely downhill. Priority/Emergency means nothing to the QEH. I went into Emerg 3 weeks ago with severe chest pains on the advice of my own doctor as he said it looks like a heart attack. I went in, saw the nurse in the Triage and told her what was wrong, then was told I was put on the emergency list. 8.5 hours later I finally walked out. 8.5 hours for a man in his 30s with a family history of heart problems to be seen when it takes 4 hours for a heart attack to do permanent damage. I saw people go in an out with a simple case of the flu or broken bone.

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    Sick? Move to Alberta
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:39:06

    I too had a similar experience at the QEH. Simply replace her name with mine. The waits have always been far too long for anyone in serious need. The best bet was ALWAYS to make the drive to Summerside. I believe there are lots of folks waiting in emerg that do not need to be there however. The sad part is, probably more at home who, knowing the wait time, choose to stay home - at what cost though? My husband and I moved to alberta where - praise be! - you can even find a family Dr. I am currently pregnant, about as far along as Mrs. Handrahan, and had spotting a couple of weeks ago.Calgary does however, have an overly busy emergency department. In contrary to PEI though, Calgary has a network of clinics staffed by wonderful people and open as late as 10pm. Our entire visit at the clinic, including wait time and time with the Dr was 45min - and let me tell you - most of that was with the Dr. I was scheduled the next day for an ultrasound, referred to an OBGYN who specializes in high risk pregnancies (thanks to the spotting, I got in) for the remainder of my pregnancy, and so far so good. I realize that something similar to Mrs Handrahan may still happen to me, as it does happen often, but I feel much better knowing I'll be in good hands. My thoughts and prayers out to the Handrahans. No one should have to suffer that kind of loss in such a public way. Good for them to speak up. Perhaps if it was Ghiz's wife, she would have gotten a little better treatment.

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    SteveM
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:38:20

    I find it hard to believe there were that many people worse off (getting in ahead of), a bleeding pregnant woman.

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    Sara
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:38:13

    liberals = problems

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    DORIS
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:38:11

    In response to all of this, I want to make it very clear that no one has the right to blame a single person for what has happened. Whether she was at home or the Emerg Dept ,this was inevitable. Unfortunately, this is a natural process that no Dr. or Nurse could have prevented. People are too quick to judge the Health Care System and Nurses when something bad happens... but what about when something positive occurs. It doesn't make the PEI news does it? What about all the lives the nurses and doctors do save? Major Traumas, Heart Attacks, just to name a few. Their quick response and treatment often save these people when death is eminent. I thank all of these people for having the knowledge and training to compassionately treat a wide variety of illnesses. Let's not forget that as Canadians, we are granted the luxury of having FREE access to all health care and interventions. Just ask any American traveler who is required to pay a minimum of $600.00 CAN just to be assessed by the health care team. Islanders need to remember to appropriately use the Emerg Dept. There are multiple clinics in the Capital Region to treat many of the visits to the Emerg Dept. Without the congestion of these unnecessary visits, Islander's would see wait times plummet.

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    Matt
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:37:43

    Time to get rid of Bertram. She can't smile her way out of this one.

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    KP
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:37:40

    Maybe it is time to close the small hospitals and staff the 2 main ones. We are not a huge province and we Certainly do not need 8 hospitals. You can call them what you like but they all need staff and equipment. I wonder how large citys survive with only one or two. I bet they have the staff they need and they don't have 14-20 hours wait times.

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    tr
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:37:13

    This is very sad episode for anyone to have to go through. My prayers are with you. Mr Ghiz should possibly be dealing on health issues instead of round abouts. My family members have experienced episodes in QEH ER, that were uncalled for. I give you my support in going public . These situations need to be public knowledge - this is happening too frequent - maybe lawsuits is the way to go. You are always going to get emergency situations but this is not appropriate, have these staff not had an emergency in their family where they were made wait for a lengthy time being ignored of their health problem

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    Ken Sterling
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:33:19

    If a pregnant woman bleeding is not considered an emergency. Perhaps the hospital should put a list on the wall of what they consider an emergency and how much time you must wait for each emergency. An investigation should be conducted to determine who was treated in the 3 hours that this bleeding pregnant waited. Were they all more serious cases then this woman?

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    run udown
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:32:41

    A serious tragedy. The comments by Bertram on this incident and the overall management of the PEI health system is a shameful mess of non-accountability. All of the political spin about the new ER and clear evidence of no leadership in getting it staffed properly. Government by press relase= bad service to Islanders. In this case, tragic!

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      phyllis wedge
      - July 29th, 2010 at 14:24:48

      I agree that they need more than a can of paint and a lovely green couch. something has to be done. Half of the people showing up there only need a first aid station. Triage nurses don't have the balls to tell them to go home and wait for a clinic. These people are wasting what little resources we have.

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    jim
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:32:04

    when is this goverment going to WAKE UP and stop sitting on their ass and doing nothing . All the money put into new emergency dept and no one to operate it . This in putting people,s lives in danger. I am shure that Mr Ghiz wife would not be waiting . He and his goverment members should be held accountable. Islanders should take a good look at what this goverment is doing.

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      phyllis wedge
      - July 29th, 2010 at 12:43:26

      this is no time to bash the government. its time to fix the problem ourselves

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    Unreal
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:31:59

    There was probably nothing they could do to save the baby, but she could have at least been put in a private room instead of being left to bleed out infront of a waiting room full of people.

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    are hotels more important?
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:31:53

    i dont know much about the buisness of people like banks or homburg, but i think things like proper health care and better response times at the biggest hospital on pei, are more important than if people can get from the Charlottetown mall to the Confederation center without crossing the street, or suing woman for millions because they oppose an idea, i think its terrible that we as an island would rather make efforts to acomodate tourist than preserve the well being of our own,

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    G Johnston
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:31:28

    My heart goes out to these parents, if it is an emergency, it should be treated as such, I agree there has to be a user fee put in place, teh same thing was happening when you didn't have to pay for eye appts, there was a waiting list of up to a year, when they went back to the old system, people NOT needing new frames, didn't abuse it anymore. That is part of whats wrong with our health system, you can treat a hangnail at home. just saying.

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    Tim
    - July 29th, 2010 at 12:31:08

    Everyone is missing the point here. This miscarriage would hve occured whether or not the pt sat at home, was in an ER treatment room or the waiting room. Do you really think a nurse is at fault for the miscarriage? Women have miscarriages all the time, it is an unfortunate natural event in 1 in 4 pregnancies. There is no way to prevent it. Although it is awful and sad it is not a threat to the life of the mother (in almost all cases). I have required treatment at the ER on numerous occasions and have always been treated well. It is a system failure when people are waiting hours and hours to be assessed not an individual nurse or doctor...get with it people! Complain to your Health Minister!! Maybe we should blame all the people showing up to the ER that should not be there...they are the reason people who need to be seen are waiting!

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    Jan
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:24:41

    The saddest thing is.......there is NO excuse!!!! The more people that have experienced such a thing in the waiting rooms, need to go public...make it known!!! Maybe a light will go on with the Government and then, and only then, will something get done. You NEED the staffing...common sense!!! Triages are just not working! Bring back the compassion and common sense in your waiting rooms! Until then......Lawsuits comes to mind.

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    Emerg
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:24:19

    I hope Mr. Ghiz is happy. The hospital asked to have more staff and were denied!!! Maybe this will be an eye opener for the Government of PEI. Staff are willing to work if you would let them! My heart goes out to the Handrahan family.

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    colin mac donnell
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:24:10

    The Minister of Health said it herself. She HOPES that the positions wil filled soon. HOPE is not a real plan. We have a real lack of insight in leadership. This is sad and shameless. The cost is too high.

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    J
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:06:04

    Wow, it would take a lot of strength for this couple to speak out. Good for them, many people would just stay silent. We need to know these stories.

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    USer Pay
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:05:38

    Time for users fees!!

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    Spudgal
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:05:36

    Maybe this story has shone a light on the state of our Health Care Services. However it is truly unfortunate and sad that the Handrahans had to experience such a traumatic event to bring attention to a problem that has been ongoing for a long time. I extend my heartfelt sympathy to Michael and Christine Handrhan. Such an experience should never happen to anyone at any Hospital or Emerg. Dept. I don't feel increased volumes or vacation times for staff are the only problems being experienced at our Emerg Services Dept. As in Nov. 2004, I had a similar experience regarding my 88 yr old mother. She was so weak I had to hold onto her to keep her upright in the chair at Emerg. No one could find her a wheel chair. I sat with her in Emerg holding her upright for over three hours. No amount of pleading at the admitting desk in Emerg brought results. I really felt she was going to die in Emerg. She couldn't even hold her head up, her lips and hands were blue. It is the most heart wrenching experience to be in a hospital with a loved one who needs immediate medical attention but there are no medical staff available to treat them. Something needs to be done. This is not acceptable. Our Health Care Services should be our First Priority. Convention Centers, Hotels, Marketing and Promotion should be put on hold until our Hospitals are equipped and staffed to provide adequate care and services for our Island Residents.

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    Charlottetown Mom
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:04:51

    My heart goes out to this young couple. I too have experienced the loss of a miscarriage and it is indeed truly a loss that is beyond what is expressed in this article. I'm ashamed that my tax dollars went to fund this white elephant (new ER) when efforts weren't even made to save the most innocent and helpless of lives. SHAME on Carolyn Bertram for trying to spin this story into making her look like she cares. SHAME on the QEH for allowing this woman to experience this horrible loss with no care or attention whatsoever. SHAME SHAME SHAME on the provincial government for allowing the ER to open withouth adequate staff. I sure hope this takes the shine off the new addition long enough for them to realize they shouldn't have opened the new ER without enough staff to operate it properly.

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    Very Disturbing
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:02:13

    Being a logical person and I feel an intelligent one....why would the government expand a service like the ER at the QEH when it was operating so poorly as a small entity? Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the problems with the smaller ER, ensure you have the staff should you expand and weed out the deadwood that are there just because they are nurses....hmmmm....now that would make sense to me. Now we have this huge ER Department that is understaffed, poorly operated and costing millions. I suggest that students be screened before entering any of the nursing programs and asked if they want to work as a nurse (as nurses were intended to work for the good of the patient) or if they just want the money and to wear a funky uniform. This is one occupation that has definitely lost it's focus. Christine and Michael, my deepest sympathies to you, God bless you both.

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      Jillian
      - July 29th, 2010 at 12:42:17

      Very disturbing, I feel that you are sadly misinformed. As a nurse, we constantly work with limited resources, often short-staffed. Anyone who choses a career as a nurse does not go into it for the money. There is an abundance of stress and frustration that begins when you arrive and doesn't end until you leave. We are constantly asked to do overtime, and juggle our resources to fit the needs of our patients. If you think we chose nursing to 'wear the funky uniform ', I suggest you enlighten yourself and follow a nurse around for a day. Dealing with life and death is not easy, and it is easy to criticize when you don't know what these ER nurse are dealing with on a shift basis. Nursing has not lost its focus. We are pulled in too many directions. My heart goes out tob the Handrahan couple.

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    Susan Myers
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:01:54

    TJ - read the story again, she was 9 weeks!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't excuse the way she was treated. My prayers go out to you.

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    Still have Faith
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:01:49

    First of all, please accept my condolences as I know suffering a miscarriage can be quite devastating. Almost 1 in 5 pregnancies end in a miscarriage. I have suffered 3 miscarriages and it really doesn't matter where it happens; it just happens. And in my 3 cases, there was nothing that could be done to stop the miscarriages. I feel bad that they decided to wait in the emergency room for a long period of time but before everyone jumps down the throats of Health Care on the Island, we must remember that ultimately we are all in charge of our own health. There have been signs posted in the ER that if your condition worsens to speak to someone right away and you will be reassessed. I do hope the couple receives the answers they are looking for but I also hope that the QEH's wonderful staff won't be affected by this negative media where they took what information they had and made a decision based on the that information.

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      Lindsay
      - July 29th, 2010 at 12:33:14

      The problem is, even if the triage nurse knows that there isn't anything that they can do except tell you that you are having a miscarriage (I too have had one, and also waited in the waiting room for 6 hours until my friend went back and yelled at the nurse), they need to understand that not every woman coming in knows that, and that the experience is something that is emotional and PRIVATE! Not something ANY woman should have to suffer in the waiting room of a hospital. I will eagerly jump down the throat of the PEI Health Care System. Every one of my experiences in the QEH ER have been horrible, the triage nurses seem heartless, they show absolutely no emotion, with horrible "bedside manner". The article states that they are sad to have to see it happen, yet they never say anything to the people waiting for some actual QUALITY health care. All they need to do is say "I'm sorry, I know you've been waiting for awhile, but we are severely understaffed at the moment". The problem, they have to mean it, which I don't think they would.

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    peibossman
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:01:23

    ... a black mark on everybody associated with the health system in PEI...this woman should have had immediate medical attention...

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    lostinthecountry
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:01:18

    I dont even know where to begin.. I am so very sorry for the Handrahans loss... When I was reading the story I was crying and as I type his I am still crying for them and their loss. I was at the er a couple of weeks ago and could not believe the pure torture you go through. After hours of waiting , I gave up and went home. I drove in from St. Teresa and was shocked..... well needless to say I will not be going back to the er at the QEH..... I believe that we all need to take a close look at the Provincial Government and the blame can be put on them.. Mr. Ghiz needs to start doing something for us as taxppayers. Perhaps a 10 or 20 dollar charge needs to be put in place. Would that help to pay for another Dr. or Nurse. Something needs to be done and needs to be done NOW... Mr. Ghiz you had better take a very close look at this problem and do something...

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    Jill Macdonald
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:00:51

    The provincial government have to stop saying we expect too much from the health care service they are responsible for. This is a story of cruel and unusual punishment of a poor woman by the QEH and the government responsible for it. Where is the public outrage?

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    anonymous
    - July 29th, 2010 at 09:00:45

    I arrived at the QEH thinking I was having a miscarriage in April - I was 3.5 months pregnant and bleeding. I was upset and was asked to take a seat. The nursing staff then proceeded to process patients who arrived after I did - making me wait. When I inquired as to why I was not being seen, the response from the receptionist was that "The patients coming in that are being seen actually have something wrong with them." I too have lost all faith in the QEH. After hearing this I left the hospital and sought help elsewhere.

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    kym
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:06:52

    There is no excuse for what happened to Christine. She should have been brought to a room--anywhere--as soon as she came and registared her "problem". The fact that she was not is appalling and the staff working that shift should be ashamed of themselves. Having had a miscarriage myself, I can only imagine Christine having to suffer one publicly. I have never had a greater compassion for someone in my life. I, however, have no compassion, for the QEH. There is no excuse. This is a more severe incident of their neglect and uncaring for patients. But there have definetly been more lesser cases. My daughter as an example with a possible broken foot, high fever, and even an asthma attack could have all been handled much better. ANd I wont go into the details of a sucidial friend who was told she was not sucidial enough for Unit 9 but to just go home. Even my miscarriage could have been handled better (a competent doctor, perhaps???) At any rate, I hope that after the investigation the changes, if any are for the better, Christine and Michael, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

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    Dan Amundson
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:06:16

    How very, very sad, but hardly surprising. I spent a whole day in the Summerside Emergency waiting room last week. One pregnant lady in obvious pain waited hours just to be called to "triage". She was also diabetic and had been told that she could not eat until she was seen by a doctor. It was painful just to watch this lady in distress. It would appear that a similar condition exists in Charlottetown. My grand daughter waited almost three hours just to get into triage as well. I believe that there has to be something done about that. If a person is in distress, what good is it to wait in the waiting room three hours? Why not at least assess their condition as soon as possible, isn't that what "triage" is all about? And no, the triage nurses were not busy all of the time, quite the opposite! This tragedy might have been prevented if proper triage techniques had been in place.

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    Not Surprised
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:05:48

    From my experiences at the QEH I'm not surprised of this story. However it is not the hospitals fault as a whole. The responsibility lies with the Triage nurse. When you go in to emerge you are in the hands of this Triage nurse to decide if you are urgent or not. ALL THESE NURSES ARE NOT THE SAME. They may have all the same training but a lot comes down to their personality. I know this from personal experience. It's this nurse they are investigating and I hope she gets what she deserve.

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    Jen
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:05:29

    So sorry that this had to go through this. I have also experienced a loss of a child, it is one of the worst things to go through but have to go through it in front of people in a waiting room...... unacceptable! I hope that this lady didn't have to go to Unit 4 after the miscarriage like I did and see all the happy families with their newborn babies..... there should be a separate section for families dealing with loss of a child.

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      KingsCountyGuy
      - July 29th, 2010 at 14:28:12

      I wonder what time of day this happened at? Peakes to Montague is half the distance of Peakes to Charlottetown... No healthcare at night in Kings county, people being treated like the poor couple in the article is a sign it time for some MAJOR reforms in the health care system on PEI... My deepest sympathies to the couple, no one should have to endure what you did.

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    Maria
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:05:17

    News reports in previous weeks have said that people are going to the new emergency room out of curiosity with issues that could be treated at a walk-in clinic. That may contribute to the "up to 14-18 hours" wait time. So people, use your common sense and don't take up the nurses' and doctors' time for people who really need it right away - that's why it's called emergency, duh! Nevertheless, although nurses are overworked and there isn't enough staff, WHY was this lady not given priority!!?? Isn't that done in the case of life threatening issues like a heart attack? In this case, a little life was at stake. I feel very sad for this couple and wish them all the best.

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    Tracey Ford
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:04:56

    Having read this story my heart aches for different reasons. I too feel the sadness for this couple as I have exprienced the loss of a baby. After reading this story it seems there are only excuses as usual for why things like this happen at the QEH. For the information of all readers this excuse does not explain the reason for this happening in any way. On February 5, 1996 I was taken to the QEH by my mother and sister with pains and being my first child not knowing what to expect I went to the Emergency room where my baby was delivered stillborn with a doctor who did not deal with these situations. Not having received the option of many of the things such as footprints, photos, the armband which was put on the baby's arm at the time this happened and when requesting these things which I was told I had the choice of having I was extremely upset. Having requested the arm band and being given one at a later date to find out they had duplicated one just to keep me quiet. I had a lengthy conversation with the chief of staff at that time and was promised policy would change when someone entered the emergency room who was showing complications during pregnancy would without question be sent to the labour and delivery unit where there are trained staff for these situations. I feel so disappointed today after reading this story to know these parents had to face such a situation at QEH when I fought so hard to have this changed. Once again the health system has failed. My heart aches for you and my thoughts and prayers go out to you both at this time. I know life is changed from these types of situations.

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    pat allen
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:04:10

    that hospital was just waiting for an accident to happen-i waited three and one half hours in this new emergency dept. and only one doctor and two nurses on duty.

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    emily
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:04:05

    This is awful, there is no excuse for this to have happened. What a horrific experience for the family. Shame on the hospital and health care system. The family should sue, as that unfortunately is the only way to get any changes that are greatly needed. Our deepest sympathy for the family...

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    chubabub
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:04:02

    Well Well Well, Something was bound to happen at the emergency room sooner or later. My heart goes out to this poor girl.Mabe this will smarten up the health situation here.

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    lynn
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:03:52

    I completely empathsize w/the Handrahans, myself have gone through this many times and the staff reacted very quickly, the second occasion I did wait in a room alone for hrs but at least it was private. The Handrahans are not alone in the experience that they have had.

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    Black Dog
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:03:42

    Knowing what it feels like to go through a miscarriage, it can be a very difficult thing to go through. Two weeks ago, we were at the hospital emergency with our 2 year old due to a very high fever - needless to say, he wasn't himself. We waited from 1:30PM-9:30PM until we got to see a doctor - he ended up having a touch of pneumonia accompanied by an ear infection (and a high fever of course). The worst part is, we probably would've waited longer if I wouldn't have confronted the nurse to say how ridiculous this was. Can you imagine what it's like to have a 2-year old wait 8 hours in a waiting room? Something has to be done, as well as priorities have to be worked out.

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      kATHY
      - July 29th, 2010 at 12:41:42

      Black DOG...sorry but your causing the problem out there.....YOU TAKE A CHILD WITH A FEVER TO A WALK IN CLINIC NOT AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT... 1.30 PM THE WALK IN CLINICS ARE STILL OPEN... GET A WALK IN SCHEDULE AND FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE USE IT....

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    frustrated
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:03:16

    Maybe if we build another roundabout, speed times at the hospitals will work themselves out. My heart goes out to you both. God Bless.

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    charlottetown
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:02:59

    Are you serious , I know where that girl is coming from , awhile ago i was rushed there and was bleeding very bad and they made me wait six hours in the waiting room and then when i finally got in to see a doctor , i waited in the room for seemed like forever and my husband went out to see where the doctor was the doctor went home , when they called the head people all they could say was if she wants to come back it is gonna be another six hour wait. when i read that the nurses and stuff are burnt out , that is no excuse to have someone bleeding very bad and leave them sitting there , all it takes is common sense to see what is going on. They need to get more nurse and doctors , give the new students something good so they will stay here on the Island and then they wont run into this problem. There is no excuse to leave someone like that for all that time and not see what is going on. They say they take emergency cases first , well i guess this one fell through the cracks.I am so so sorry for your loss .

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    TJ
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:02:24

    This article lacks some vital information such as the number of weeks gestation the girl was. It is sad that you experienced a miscarriage but the facts are that during the first trimester (1-12weeks) gestation 25-50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. If you were bleeding at home prior to going to the hospital chances are the miscarriage had already occured and in fact could have occured days before. Waiting for 3 hours did not lead to the miscarriage, it was inevitable. It is unfortunate to have to sit in a waiting room during such a scary and personal event but the spin on this article is as though it could have been prevented and that is just not true.

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      Give Your Head A Shake
      - July 29th, 2010 at 09:24:31

      Hey TJ, are you a doctor? How do you know that the miscarriage already happened before she got there? Maybe there were other factors that could have been treated if she hadn't waited so long, thus preventing the miscarriage. What did you do, Google these facts? I don't know how somebody can be so insensitive to a situation like this. What if this happened to you? Give You Head A Shake!

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    Watson Brown
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:01:48

    Brings me back to the Ghiz quote about how lucky we should all feel to have access to such wonderful health care..."spoiled" was the word I believe he used. How overworked does an emergency room have to be for a pregnant women to sit and bleed for three hours and then have to drive to smaller secondary hospital 45 minutes away before she receives proper treatment? What good are new departments and expensive gear if we don't have the people to run it properly even on the most basic of levels? I have spent my whole life dealing with health issues and I have never heard of these horror stories happening so consistently in other medical centers. No matter what government is in charge we have always been second class citizens when it comes to health care on this Island. To be a competent member of the medical profession on PEI must be very disheartening and frustrating at times. It is sad that in the "birthplace" of Canada we fail so regularly to provide the most basic of this countries principles.

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    WT
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:00:57

    Obviously there is a serious problem here. Heads should role. More than a little investigtion is long needed. Where is the Minister of Health? Obviously the Robert Ghiz plan is bankrupt. This governments priorities are all wrong. Let's get our health care fixed and forget about frivilous shemes like Convention Centers until we have an emergency room that is better than this present disaster!

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    Martin A. Good
    - July 29th, 2010 at 08:00:50

    The cover up has started

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      Carol MacDonald
      - July 29th, 2010 at 12:32:27

      Martin Good hit the nail on the head the cover up has began. Mr Ghiz should be put out of office today can we as the people that put him there not get rid of hit without an election. The man is only interested in the tourists he can bring to PEI not the people who elected him. Maybe we can take the money spent on health care plans for the provincial governemt and spend it on Drs. and nurses. Did anyone every see a face you knew that was an MLA or and MP or the famous Mr. Ghiz in emergency room. I think not so they are very healthy and don't need to spend any money on plans for them. Redirect the money to where it is need. It is time to pay the feddle Mr. Ghiz so start dancing you way out of this one. I am sorry the family had to go throught this to get some attention on the QEH.

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